Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael,This list is a warm and friendly home to all types of enthusiasts. Most of us here are type B, building pretty much to plan but changing a few things to suit us and our budgets and operational reality. (If it looks somewhat like a Piet, then it is a Piet.)There are the type A, who build exactly to the plans as they were drawn in 1933, or was it 1934, and published in the Flying and Glider manual, or sold by the third and/or fourth generation of Pietenpol descenants. These plans are an exact representation of BHP's airplane as it was right between his 101st and 102nd modifications. (If it has an aluminum head on the Model A engine, then it isn't a Pietenpol. A three-piece wing is suspect.) (and it's "Bernard", never "Bernie")Then there are the type C. These are the folks who believe that building an experimental airplane is a learning experience. They want to enjoy the same process and progress that BHP did. They want to experiment with available materials, like BHP did. They want to try new things, like BHP did. Bernard Pietenpol built a number of airplanes, no two of them exactly alike. He was able to learn a lot from his building and flying, you should too. (It's rumored that his first one did not have seatbelts).The guys here who say you should build to plan are right, if you want to fly soon in an airplane whose experimentation was enjoyed more than 75 years ago. If you want a replica of an historical airplane, you have to add in some knowledge gained from old photographs and written history. But if you want to learn a lot, experiment, using some of the answers you get here as a guide to keep you out of trouble.And don't ever think that experimenting just like BHP did is in any way belittling what he accomplished.Mike----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bow
Original Posted By: Ed G.
Good for you Ed G.! Build to the plans. PS This isn't a "what can I change on the plans", site. PPS To me , It's belittleing Bernard Pietenpol's talents, to try to change his plans. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Good for you Ed G.! Build to the plans. PS This isn't a "what can I change on the plans", site. PPS To me , It's belittleing Bernard Pietenpol's talents, to try to change his plans. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bowsthese variations from the plans.........can't take it anymore. Flat board wing tips....I have two words for you, just two words.........UGH...LEEIf you want to build a different airplane, tune to another site! ......spare us Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bowsthese variations from the plans.........can't take it anymore. Flat board wing tips....I have two words for you, just two words.........UGH...LEEIf you want to build a different airplane, tune to another site! ......spare us Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows
Original Posted By: "Dick N."
TIME OUT EVERYONE!! I can't believe what I'm reading. Because someone asked questions or suggested he might do things differently he's told to go to another site? Unless this is some kind of joke.......Up to this date this has been the very best building site on the web. The most helpful, the most patience shown toward new and lost builders and just good old fashion camaraderie.Of all the people involved, I believe B. Pietenpol would be the most vocal for change.I haven't built a Piet (I bought mine) but if I were to build one I would change a few things. I would make the dash slope toward the front so I could read the instruments better and I would make the cockpit wider for comfort.A lot of changes others talk about I just roll my eyes at and wonder why their building a Piet. But....it's their airplane, they can do as they please. There's room here for all of us and I for one learn from all of you.If, somehow, I'm misunderstanding all of this and this is just good humor among friends, then I apologize to all for getting on my soapbox.Gene in windy Tennessee________________________________________________________________________________
TIME OUT EVERYONE!! I can't believe what I'm reading. Because someone asked questions or suggested he might do things differently he's told to go to another site? Unless this is some kind of joke.......Up to this date this has been the very best building site on the web. The most helpful, the most patience shown toward new and lost builders and just good old fashion camaraderie.Of all the people involved, I believe B. Pietenpol would be the most vocal for change.I haven't built a Piet (I bought mine) but if I were to build one I would change a few things. I would make the dash slope toward the front so I could read the instruments better and I would make the cockpit wider for comfort.A lot of changes others talk about I just roll my eyes at and wonder why their building a Piet. But....it's their airplane, they can do as they please. There's room here for all of us and I for one learn from all of you.If, somehow, I'm misunderstanding all of this and this is just good humor among friends, then I apologize to all for getting on my soapbox.Gene in windy Tennessee________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows
Original Posted By: Gene & Tammy
Good post, Gene. Winter takes a toll on everyone. Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Good post, Gene. Winter takes a toll on everyone. Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bow
Original Posted By: zk-owl
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet project for a song
Original Posted By: farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com
sounds good=2C let me know .Tom B.Date: Fri=2C 19 Dec 2008 07:44:59 -0800
sounds good=2C let me know .Tom B.Date: Fri=2C 19 Dec 2008 07:44:59 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
So just what is it about this Pietenpol Airyplane anyway?For some of us it's a "piece of history from 1932 time machine"and others a starting point from which to hare off from in allmannner of directions.I find it all thought provoking, entertaining and sometimesjust downright hilarious.I love it! Thank you all!Sent to you from the northwesterly shores of the Wild Pacific Ocean.ClifRemember, Whatever you can't laugh at owns you. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows TIME OUT EVERYONE!! If, somehow, I'm misunderstanding all of this and this is just good humor among friends, then I apologize to all for getting on my soapbox. Gene in windy Tennessee------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 12/19/2008 10:09 AM________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:05:50 -0700
So just what is it about this Pietenpol Airyplane anyway?For some of us it's a "piece of history from 1932 time machine"and others a starting point from which to hare off from in allmannner of directions.I find it all thought provoking, entertaining and sometimesjust downright hilarious.I love it! Thank you all!Sent to you from the northwesterly shores of the Wild Pacific Ocean.ClifRemember, Whatever you can't laugh at owns you. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows TIME OUT EVERYONE!! If, somehow, I'm misunderstanding all of this and this is just good humor among friends, then I apologize to all for getting on my soapbox. Gene in windy Tennessee------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 12/19/2008 10:09 AM________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:05:50 -0700
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Original Posted By: H RULE
Re: Pietenpol-List: wing tip bows
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bow
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: wing tip bows
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Sorry. I'm with Dan. It's enough of a challenge to try and build a good Pietto the plans. When you find yourself "asking lots of questions because you justdon't know the answers", one has to ask "Why is someone with so little knowledgeof airplane design trying to redesign everything and so willing to takethe advice of uncredentialed strangers?" Build one to the plans and then usethe experience to decide how you want to redo things in the second one. Thisstuff is wearing me out. It has to be taking it's toll on others too. This is a late response because I haven't looked at this forum for about 3 weeks.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:33:04 -0700
Sorry. I'm with Dan. It's enough of a challenge to try and build a good Pietto the plans. When you find yourself "asking lots of questions because you justdon't know the answers", one has to ask "Why is someone with so little knowledgeof airplane design trying to redesign everything and so willing to takethe advice of uncredentialed strangers?" Build one to the plans and then usethe experience to decide how you want to redo things in the second one. Thisstuff is wearing me out. It has to be taking it's toll on others too. This is a late response because I haven't looked at this forum for about 3 weeks.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:33:04 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet project for a song
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
I can sing!
Is it the std. or long fuselage version?--------Location: Wilson=2C NCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 006#220006 ________________________________________________________________________________
I can sing!
Is it the std. or long fuselage version?--------Location: Wilson=2C NCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 006#220006 ________________________________________________________________________________