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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesBeing a lawyer, I guess I have to respond.A copyright, in the US where this discussion is taking place, existsautomatically upon the creation of any work. As soon as an artist writes,composes, sculpts, draws, paints or otherwise puts an idea into tangibleform, the tangible work belongs to the artist and it cannot be copiedwithout permission. Even though the tangible form is sold, the copyright isretained by the originator. A copyright registration with the Library ofCongress primarily provides a way of notifying the world of the creation ofthe copyrighted work.Some copyrightable works can also be registered as trademarks. A trademarkis protected by usage in commerce. The first user of a trademark has therights to it in a particular "market area." Registration of a trademarkwith the US Patent and Trademark Office prevents others from using itoutside the market area.What a copyright does is prevent others from using a work in its whole orsubstantial part without the permission of the owner. Modifying a work,such as in musical parodies, is also prevented without permission. Claimingthe work as an original composition of one's own is never permitted.Quoting a work, with proper attribution, is generally allowed under the"fair use" doctrine.The works of Grant McLaren will remain copyrighted for a good number ofyears after his death. The exact number will depending on the date ofcreation and the specific "Copyright Protection Act" in force at the time.As I am also a human being in love with Pietenpol airplanes and theirhistory, I would never tell anyone who has contributed as much as GrantMcLaren to stick anything in his ear.Mike Hardaway----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Patches
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By:
Being a lawyer, I guess I have to respond.A copyright, in the US where this discussion is taking place, existsautomatically upon the creation of any work. As soon as an artist writes,composes, sculpts, draws, paints or otherwise puts an idea into tangibleform, the tangible work belongs to the artist and it cannot be copiedwithout permission. Even though the tangible form is sold, the copyright isretained by the originator. A copyright registration with the Library ofCongress primarily provides a way of notifying the world of the creation ofthe copyrighted work.Some copyrightable works can also be registered as trademarks. A trademarkis protected by usage in commerce. The first user of a trademark has therights to it in a particular "market area." Registration of a trademarkwith the US Patent and Trademark Office prevents others from using itoutside the market area.What a copyright does is prevent others from using a work in its whole orsubstantial part without the permission of the owner. Modifying a work,such as in musical parodies, is also prevented without permission. Claimingthe work as an original composition of one's own is never permitted.Quoting a work, with proper attribution, is generally allowed under the"fair use" doctrine.The works of Grant McLaren will remain copyrighted for a good number ofyears after his death. The exact number will depending on the date ofcreation and the specific "Copyright Protection Act" in force at the time.As I am also a human being in love with Pietenpol airplanes and theirhistory, I would never tell anyone who has contributed as much as GrantMcLaren to stick anything in his ear.Mike Hardaway----- Original Message -----
Being a lawyer, I guess I have to respond.A copyright, in the US where this discussion is taking place, existsautomatically upon the creation of any work. As soon as an artist writes,composes, sculpts, draws, paints or otherwise puts an idea into tangibleform, the tangible work belongs to the artist and it cannot be copiedwithout permission. Even though the tangible form is sold, the copyright isretained by the originator. A copyright registration with the Library ofCongress primarily provides a way of notifying the world of the creation ofthe copyrighted work.Some copyrightable works can also be registered as trademarks. A trademarkis protected by usage in commerce. The first user of a trademark has therights to it in a particular "market area." Registration of a trademarkwith the US Patent and Trademark Office prevents others from using itoutside the market area.What a copyright does is prevent others from using a work in its whole orsubstantial part without the permission of the owner. Modifying a work,such as in musical parodies, is also prevented without permission. Claimingthe work as an original composition of one's own is never permitted.Quoting a work, with proper attribution, is generally allowed under the"fair use" doctrine.The works of Grant McLaren will remain copyrighted for a good number ofyears after his death. The exact number will depending on the date ofcreation and the specific "Copyright Protection Act" in force at the time.As I am also a human being in love with Pietenpol airplanes and theirhistory, I would never tell anyone who has contributed as much as GrantMcLaren to stick anything in his ear.Mike Hardaway----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
No sweat on the design for the patches, IF someone can get Grant McLarento OK the use of his original design (the red one). From there, it's nosweat at all to snag the Pietenpol signature from the blue one and createa hybrid. It sounds like most folks like the red design but also like theblue signature.If DJ Vegh were still on this list, he could do it in no time flat. Hecreated an absolutely gorgeous piece of artwork for the Texas Air CamperOrganization (TACO).Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:02:31 -0700
No sweat on the design for the patches, IF someone can get Grant McLarento OK the use of his original design (the red one). From there, it's nosweat at all to snag the Pietenpol signature from the blue one and createa hybrid. It sounds like most folks like the red design but also like theblue signature.If DJ Vegh were still on this list, he could do it in no time flat. Hecreated an absolutely gorgeous piece of artwork for the Texas Air CamperOrganization (TACO).Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:02:31 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesOscar.You re quite the resource and Piet champion. and while I am thinking about it congratulations on a job well done. Saved a Piet and brought it back to tile in Alaska and made some people happy in the process. Not a bad days work. That's great.Now for the more challenging the patch or patches. We should have one for the Piet and its creator and a special edition 80 th year anniversary patch forBrodhead and Oshkosh.BTW there are only silent thoughts so anyone and everyone is welcome to join in with ideas and comments this should be a collaborative work it just seems fitting to celibate the aircraft and it following in addition to the creation of the Piet.If we wanted to we could make them available at cost plus for the members with the plus proceeds going to a trust or museum or worthy project, like Alaska Piet.It seems odd the few people that actually knw about the Piet, fewer that have ever seen one and even fewer that have ridden on one, owned one , flownone or built one. Its a tremendous legacy that should be advertised rather themkept within the circles of just we few. Its just too important an aircraft to go unnoticed.JohnSorry for the soap box, too much sawdust today "buldapalooza" its a happening thing.**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesOscar.You re quite the resource and Piet champion. and while I am thinking about it congratulations on a job well done. Saved a Piet and brought it back to tile in Alaska and made some people happy in the process. Not a bad days work. That's great.Now for the more challenging the patch or patches. We should have one for the Piet and its creator and a special edition 80 th year anniversary patch forBrodhead and Oshkosh.BTW there are only silent thoughts so anyone and everyone is welcome to join in with ideas and comments this should be a collaborative work it just seems fitting to celibate the aircraft and it following in addition to the creation of the Piet.If we wanted to we could make them available at cost plus for the members with the plus proceeds going to a trust or museum or worthy project, like Alaska Piet.It seems odd the few people that actually knw about the Piet, fewer that have ever seen one and even fewer that have ridden on one, owned one , flownone or built one. Its a tremendous legacy that should be advertised rather themkept within the circles of just we few. Its just too important an aircraft to go unnoticed.JohnSorry for the soap box, too much sawdust today "buldapalooza" its a happening thing.**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
That definitely has my vote. The brown/red oneis visualy dynamic, grabbing attention. It's alsomore in line with the graphics of the 30's.I was really upset when I tried to order the T shirtonly to find non were left and no more in sight!Clif > > > No sweat on the design for the patches, IF someone can get Grant McLaren> to OK the use of his original design (the red one). > > If DJ Vegh were still on this list, he could do it in no time flat. > > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> ________________________________________________________________________________
That definitely has my vote. The brown/red oneis visualy dynamic, grabbing attention. It's alsomore in line with the graphics of the 30's.I was really upset when I tried to order the T shirtonly to find non were left and no more in sight!Clif > > > No sweat on the design for the patches, IF someone can get Grant McLaren> to OK the use of his original design (the red one). > > If DJ Vegh were still on this list, he could do it in no time flat. > > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
First off, congratulations on your efforts with the Aerial project Oscar!Jess and I are now proud owners of most of a one piece wing, a fuselage, a horizontal stab, and most of the metal fittings (Del Magsam's old project)! We are very excited. I took a few pics, but my digicam memory card decided to stop playing ball, so I'll take more the next time we are out. Stupid thing...it's only dealt with every temperature extreme and weather situation out there for four years, plus a little combat here and there....they just don't make them like they used to.Anyhow, the one piece wing is not what we we were planning on building, but it is what the project came with. We decided we would deal with it; in the end it will get us in the air faster. We spent some quality time with it on Saturday (most of the day), trying to manhandle it into it's new home in a friend's small outbuilding/aircraft factory. All I can say is....wow...my hat's off to Bernard and all those who followed that built and dealt with the one piece wing. It defeated all of our plans to loft it that day, so it is sitting on supports on the ground level (not literally on the ground) for now. After having to deal with this monstrosity, I figured I would pose the question: would it be feasible to convert this to a three piece wing? Here are some details about the wing:It has Charlie Rubeck ribs that were varnished before being slipped onto the spars. Thusly they are not glued to the spars. There is just a nail through the uprights adjacent to the spars holding them in place right now. The wing does not have any compression struts installed, no metal fittings either. It is just two spars with the ribs on, and the additional pieces for the ailerons have been installed. No wingtips. None of the structure for the fuel tank in the wing has been installed either.I would think it would go as such: cut the spars just outboard of each splice. Measure the spar length from the wingtip end of the spar to the inboard end of the panel, and cut the spars to the exact length needed. We could remove the nails and slide the center section rib(s) off the remnants. We would be short on ribs...one full rib, one nose rib, two tail ribs. It would be pretty easy to make a jig off of a full rib that was removed, to fab the those pieces. We would have to build the center section, but our wing panels would be mostly complete. Since the ribs are only nailed they could all be moved to satisfy any spacing changes.This would add some work, but would allow us to deal with much smaller individual wing panels instead of the whole shebang.- This is a big plus. We would also be able to accommodate a fuel tank in the wing if we could do the three piece....Am I off my rocker?Ryan=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
First off, congratulations on your efforts with the Aerial project Oscar!Jess and I are now proud owners of most of a one piece wing, a fuselage, a horizontal stab, and most of the metal fittings (Del Magsam's old project)! We are very excited. I took a few pics, but my digicam memory card decided to stop playing ball, so I'll take more the next time we are out. Stupid thing...it's only dealt with every temperature extreme and weather situation out there for four years, plus a little combat here and there....they just don't make them like they used to.Anyhow, the one piece wing is not what we we were planning on building, but it is what the project came with. We decided we would deal with it; in the end it will get us in the air faster. We spent some quality time with it on Saturday (most of the day), trying to manhandle it into it's new home in a friend's small outbuilding/aircraft factory. All I can say is....wow...my hat's off to Bernard and all those who followed that built and dealt with the one piece wing. It defeated all of our plans to loft it that day, so it is sitting on supports on the ground level (not literally on the ground) for now. After having to deal with this monstrosity, I figured I would pose the question: would it be feasible to convert this to a three piece wing? Here are some details about the wing:It has Charlie Rubeck ribs that were varnished before being slipped onto the spars. Thusly they are not glued to the spars. There is just a nail through the uprights adjacent to the spars holding them in place right now. The wing does not have any compression struts installed, no metal fittings either. It is just two spars with the ribs on, and the additional pieces for the ailerons have been installed. No wingtips. None of the structure for the fuel tank in the wing has been installed either.I would think it would go as such: cut the spars just outboard of each splice. Measure the spar length from the wingtip end of the spar to the inboard end of the panel, and cut the spars to the exact length needed. We could remove the nails and slide the center section rib(s) off the remnants. We would be short on ribs...one full rib, one nose rib, two tail ribs. It would be pretty easy to make a jig off of a full rib that was removed, to fab the those pieces. We would have to build the center section, but our wing panels would be mostly complete. Since the ribs are only nailed they could all be moved to satisfy any spacing changes.This would add some work, but would allow us to deal with much smaller individual wing panels instead of the whole shebang.- This is a big plus. We would also be able to accommodate a fuel tank in the wing if we could do the three piece....Am I off my rocker?Ryan=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: del magsam
I'll mention this once again... Grant McLaren has to give permission if anyoneis planning to use his graphic artwork (the red/brown logo). He seems to beunwilling to approve the use of any of his work from the past so before anyonegoes too far with that artwork, we need to get approval.I have no way of contacting Grant and will leave that to someone else here onthe list who might be able to get in touch with him.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:25:04 -0800 (PST)
I'll mention this once again... Grant McLaren has to give permission if anyoneis planning to use his graphic artwork (the red/brown logo). He seems to beunwilling to approve the use of any of his work from the past so before anyonegoes too far with that artwork, we need to get approval.I have no way of contacting Grant and will leave that to someone else here onthe list who might be able to get in touch with him.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:25:04 -0800 (PST)
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By:>> Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesAccording to the folks I spoke with at the EAA, Grant did not get written permission to use images from the Flying and Glider Manuals in the Pietenpol video(s) he created. So maybe these patches could include images (there are some really good ones!) from those publications (NOT his publications)...Getting written permission is likely still a good idea, whether it's an image from the Flying and Glider manuals or something Grant or anyone else (regardless of author) has printed or reprinted....sure would be a shame to have to deal with issues such as copyright infringement when you could be making sawdust....And I definitely agree, a LOT of hard work on Grant's part filled the newsletters I still enjoy reading!-----Original Message----->From: "bike.mike" >Sent: Dec 27, 2008 11:02 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches>>>Being a lawyer, I guess I have to respond.>>A copyright, in the US where this discussion is taking place, exists>automatically upon the creation of any work. As soon as an artist writes,>composes, sculpts, draws, paints or otherwise puts an idea into tangible>form, the tangible work belongs to the artist and it cannot be copied>without permission. Even though the tangible form is sold, the copyright is>retained by the originator. A copyright registration with the Library of>Congress primarily provides a way of notifying the world of the creation of>the copyrighted work.>>Some copyrightable works can also be registered as trademarks. A trademark>is protected by usage in commerce. The first user of a trademark has the>rights to it in a particular "market area." Registration of a trademark>with the US Patent and Trademark Office prevents others from using it>outside the market area.>>What a copyright does is prevent others from using a work in its whole or>substantial part without the permission of the owner. Modifying a work,>such as in musical parodies, is also prevented without permission. Claiming>the work as an original composition of one's own is never permitted.>Quoting a work, with proper attribution, is generally allowed under the>"fair use" doctrine.>>The works of Grant McLaren will remain copyrighted for a good number of>years after his death. The exact number will depending on the date of>creation and the specific "Copyright Protection Act" in force at the time.>>As I am also a human being in love with Pietenpol airplanes and their>history, I would never tell anyone who has contributed as much as Grant>McLaren to stick anything in his ear.>>>Mike Hardaway>>>----- Original Message ----->From: >To: >Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:24 AM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches>>>>>> Not being a lawyer myself it is my understanding that it, the work, can>only be protected by copyright or as a registered trade mark. Either or both>would to have existed before the work was released into the public domain>and should be appropriately marked as such. That being the case I would>doubt the intellectual artistic property is protected.>>>> The fact remains if he's uncooperative we can certainly take my approach>and tell him to stick it in his ear and create our own classic rendition.>>>> Aside from all the other reasons to build, I have shared that same>sentiment with the local FBO. Who in my opinion can stick his rentals in his>ear. I am not one to be limited by the ideas and whims of little men with>great ambitions and arrogance.>>>> Yes I know, and have been cautioned in the past about my independent>attitude by many close to me, so go ahead and flame away if you need to.>>>> Meanwhile I am gonna go back to buildapalooza.>>>> John>> ------Original Message------
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesAccording to the folks I spoke with at the EAA, Grant did not get written permission to use images from the Flying and Glider Manuals in the Pietenpol video(s) he created. So maybe these patches could include images (there are some really good ones!) from those publications (NOT his publications)...Getting written permission is likely still a good idea, whether it's an image from the Flying and Glider manuals or something Grant or anyone else (regardless of author) has printed or reprinted....sure would be a shame to have to deal with issues such as copyright infringement when you could be making sawdust....And I definitely agree, a LOT of hard work on Grant's part filled the newsletters I still enjoy reading!-----Original Message----->From: "bike.mike" >Sent: Dec 27, 2008 11:02 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches>>>Being a lawyer, I guess I have to respond.>>A copyright, in the US where this discussion is taking place, exists>automatically upon the creation of any work. As soon as an artist writes,>composes, sculpts, draws, paints or otherwise puts an idea into tangible>form, the tangible work belongs to the artist and it cannot be copied>without permission. Even though the tangible form is sold, the copyright is>retained by the originator. A copyright registration with the Library of>Congress primarily provides a way of notifying the world of the creation of>the copyrighted work.>>Some copyrightable works can also be registered as trademarks. A trademark>is protected by usage in commerce. The first user of a trademark has the>rights to it in a particular "market area." Registration of a trademark>with the US Patent and Trademark Office prevents others from using it>outside the market area.>>What a copyright does is prevent others from using a work in its whole or>substantial part without the permission of the owner. Modifying a work,>such as in musical parodies, is also prevented without permission. Claiming>the work as an original composition of one's own is never permitted.>Quoting a work, with proper attribution, is generally allowed under the>"fair use" doctrine.>>The works of Grant McLaren will remain copyrighted for a good number of>years after his death. The exact number will depending on the date of>creation and the specific "Copyright Protection Act" in force at the time.>>As I am also a human being in love with Pietenpol airplanes and their>history, I would never tell anyone who has contributed as much as Grant>McLaren to stick anything in his ear.>>>Mike Hardaway>>>----- Original Message ----->From: >To: >Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:24 AM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches>>>>>> Not being a lawyer myself it is my understanding that it, the work, can>only be protected by copyright or as a registered trade mark. Either or both>would to have existed before the work was released into the public domain>and should be appropriately marked as such. That being the case I would>doubt the intellectual artistic property is protected.>>>> The fact remains if he's uncooperative we can certainly take my approach>and tell him to stick it in his ear and create our own classic rendition.>>>> Aside from all the other reasons to build, I have shared that same>sentiment with the local FBO. Who in my opinion can stick his rentals in his>ear. I am not one to be limited by the ideas and whims of little men with>great ambitions and arrogance.>>>> Yes I know, and have been cautioned in the past about my independent>attitude by many close to me, so go ahead and flame away if you need to.>>>> Meanwhile I am gonna go back to buildapalooza.>>>> John>> ------Original Message------
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Not being a lawyer myself it is my understanding that it, the work, can only beprotected by copyright or as a registered trade mark. Either or both would tohave existed before the work was released into the public domain and should beappropriately marked as such. That being the case I would doubt the intellectualartistic property is protected. The fact remains if he's uncooperative we can certainly take my approach and tellhim to stick it in his ear and create our own classic rendition. Aside from all the other reasons to build, I have shared that same sentiment withthe local FBO. Who in my opinion can stick his rentals in his ear. I am notone to be limited by the ideas and whims of little men with great ambitions andarrogance. Yes I know, and have been cautioned in the past about my independent attitude bymany close to me, so go ahead and flame away if you need to. Meanwhile I am gonna go back to buildapalooza. John ------Original Message------
Not being a lawyer myself it is my understanding that it, the work, can only beprotected by copyright or as a registered trade mark. Either or both would tohave existed before the work was released into the public domain and should beappropriately marked as such. That being the case I would doubt the intellectualartistic property is protected. The fact remains if he's uncooperative we can certainly take my approach and tellhim to stick it in his ear and create our own classic rendition. Aside from all the other reasons to build, I have shared that same sentiment withthe local FBO. Who in my opinion can stick his rentals in his ear. I am notone to be limited by the ideas and whims of little men with great ambitions andarrogance. Yes I know, and have been cautioned in the past about my independent attitude bymany close to me, so go ahead and flame away if you need to. Meanwhile I am gonna go back to buildapalooza. John ------Original Message------
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: "bike.mike"
MikeThanks for your legal perspective on such a complex issue. And certainly and added benefit is your humanitarian perspective to thingsNot knowing him or his contributions I have no knowledge of what has spoiled therelationship so its difficult for me to appreciate his prevailing attitude ofnon cooperation. As far as that goes what's his shall remain his JohnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
MikeThanks for your legal perspective on such a complex issue. And certainly and added benefit is your humanitarian perspective to thingsNot knowing him or his contributions I have no knowledge of what has spoiled therelationship so its difficult for me to appreciate his prevailing attitude ofnon cooperation. As far as that goes what's his shall remain his JohnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
Re: Pietenpol-List: re:up too late tonight-Patches
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
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>> Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Jeff;I'll tell you what I did when I bent a rudder horn, but you won't like what I tell you: open it up, remove the horn, fix it, and put it back. Here's how I did my horn: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repair ... .htmlOscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Jeff;I'll tell you what I did when I bent a rudder horn, but you won't like what I tell you: open it up, remove the horn, fix it, and put it back. Here's how I did my horn: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repair ... .htmlOscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
I think anything we use should be with permission,license or not at all. I am notan advocate of nor do I believe in stealing someones work. Although the image on the book I purchased from the pietenpol family and the drawingsin my packet bare a striking resemblance to the image in Grants rendition,I wonder where he got it from? If he created the Pietenpol image he mustbe the creator of the aircraft. If not then he used Bernards image from the drawings,I wonder if he got permission or do we need to go to the owners of theprints even though Bernard has since passed away?The legal issues bring interesting questions for debate as to who owns the Pietenpollimage?John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
I think anything we use should be with permission,license or not at all. I am notan advocate of nor do I believe in stealing someones work. Although the image on the book I purchased from the pietenpol family and the drawingsin my packet bare a striking resemblance to the image in Grants rendition,I wonder where he got it from? If he created the Pietenpol image he mustbe the creator of the aircraft. If not then he used Bernards image from the drawings,I wonder if he got permission or do we need to go to the owners of theprints even though Bernard has since passed away?The legal issues bring interesting questions for debate as to who owns the Pietenpollimage?John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
>> Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: H RULE
RE: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
How about a NEW design contest?I'm sure there are multiple artists on this list.I'll kick in a one year subscription to CONTACT! Magazine as one of theprizes.Images can be uploaded into the photo section and a poll can be created.Pat> > I think anything we use should be with permission,license or not at all. I> am not an advocate of nor do I believe in stealing someones work.________________________________________________________________________________
How about a NEW design contest?I'm sure there are multiple artists on this list.I'll kick in a one year subscription to CONTACT! Magazine as one of theprizes.Images can be uploaded into the photo section and a poll can be created.Pat> > I think anything we use should be with permission,license or not at all. I> am not an advocate of nor do I believe in stealing someones work.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: "Patrick Panzera"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesPat,Capital idea, I agree something new and selected as a contest, great idea as long as it comes with the appropriate release for use and publication.Having no artistic talent and no background in the practice of law I have little more to offer or contribute than commentary and support.This like many other things is completely out of my league, but highly encouraging for those with any artistic talent.I suppose there should be a theme that uses the Piet as its central idea and then the creative artistic juices of the artist to run wild with he concept. It all sounds like great fun with a spectacular patch as the end result.Pat sounds like a great idea and a nice prize too anyone want to add to the prize purse with goods and or services?John**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesPat,Capital idea, I agree something new and selected as a contest, great idea as long as it comes with the appropriate release for use and publication.Having no artistic talent and no background in the practice of law I have little more to offer or contribute than commentary and support.This like many other things is completely out of my league, but highly encouraging for those with any artistic talent.I suppose there should be a theme that uses the Piet as its central idea and then the creative artistic juices of the artist to run wild with he concept. It all sounds like great fun with a spectacular patch as the end result.Pat sounds like a great idea and a nice prize too anyone want to add to the prize purse with goods and or services?John**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Pat,Capital idea, I agree something new and selected as a contest, great idea aslong as it comes with the appropriate release for use and publication.Having no artistic talent and no background in the practice of law I havelittle more to offer or contribute than commentary and support.This like many other things is completely out of my league, but highlyencouraging for those with any artistic talent.I suppose there should be a theme that uses the Piet as its central idea andthen the creative artistic juices of the artist to run wild with he concept.I would guess that a computer rendering of an all-composite Piet with asmall turbine would be out of the question?Kinda like when the EAA changed its logo to a jet?Pat________________________________________________________________________________
Pat,Capital idea, I agree something new and selected as a contest, great idea aslong as it comes with the appropriate release for use and publication.Having no artistic talent and no background in the practice of law I havelittle more to offer or contribute than commentary and support.This like many other things is completely out of my league, but highlyencouraging for those with any artistic talent.I suppose there should be a theme that uses the Piet as its central idea andthen the creative artistic juices of the artist to run wild with he concept.I would guess that a computer rendering of an all-composite Piet with asmall turbine would be out of the question?Kinda like when the EAA changed its logo to a jet?Pat________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesI see no reason to restrict the entries, we are talking about Bernard Pietenpol's creation, a visionary with an eye to the future and limited by onlythe resources available.at the time.Like Wilbur and Orville who had no iea of the future everything is possible, even manned space flight, no reason to keep NASA out of the graphic.Just tossing some thoughts around is all.We are only limited by the expanse of our imagination and our willingness to experimentI doubt we could do justice to the creator and the creation if we didn't show the past with an eye to the future.The sky's the limit, the heavens are thelimit, space is the limit... space to our knowledge is limitless John**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PatchesI see no reason to restrict the entries, we are talking about Bernard Pietenpol's creation, a visionary with an eye to the future and limited by onlythe resources available.at the time.Like Wilbur and Orville who had no iea of the future everything is possible, even manned space flight, no reason to keep NASA out of the graphic.Just tossing some thoughts around is all.We are only limited by the expanse of our imagination and our willingness to experimentI doubt we could do justice to the creator and the creation if we didn't show the past with an eye to the future.The sky's the limit, the heavens are thelimit, space is the limit... space to our knowledge is limitless John**************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patches
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright