Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The GreatWaldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I'veever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it sinceacquiring my own mint condition videotape).I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good storyline, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now.I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for youI'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece).Good movie.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:23:32 -0500
Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
The let me be the first to congratulate your accomplishment. Some might say itsthe greatest accomplishment in avaition, I my self would not. Its the greatestaccomplishment since the invention of the airoplaneJohn------Original Message------
The let me be the first to congratulate your accomplishment. Some might say itsthe greatest accomplishment in avaition, I my self would not. Its the greatestaccomplishment since the invention of the airoplaneJohn------Original Message------
Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Original Posted By: H RULE
Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Might have to call you on that one Oscar, what time did you watch it????? About 10am hereGene ----- Original Message -----
Might have to call you on that one Oscar, what time did you watch it????? About 10am hereGene ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol aerobatics
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Mike asked->anyone here ever do "aerobatics" of some sort with their plane?I have not. I was keen to practice spins and spin recovery in 41CCbut my instructor, who is proficient at aerobatics, felt that theairplane might not have as much rudder as he'd like so we didn't tryspins.>things like hammer heads and tail slidesHammerheads, I wouldn't think would be an issue at all. Tail slides-yikes! I'd be very hesitant to try that. The iffy part of it isthat a hammerhead can result in a tail-slide if the rudder break isnot performed in time, and either one can result in a spin if notperformed right. I'm not saying the Piet is impossible to spin andrecover from, I'm just saying I haven't demonstrated spins in mine.Yet.By the way, thinking about the tail surfaces, in the recent discussionabout the L-brackets that mount the vertical stabilizer to thefuselage and horizontal stabilizers, someone mentioned that the onlyforce that the through-bolts would see is an upward pull as dragpulls the stabilizer aft. I disagree, having looked back at the tailin flight often enough to know that those surfaces see quite a bit ofbuffetting from propeller slipstream and turbulence. In addition,in a slip I would think that the surfaces would see some sidewiseforces as well. At any rate, I agree that a wooden block between thegussets would do nicely to fix the little misalignment of the sparsand provide a good grip for the L-brackets.I would also agree with putting in some offset (or the ability todo so if needed later). My airplane has a fixed tab on the rudder andcould use just a skosh more... but a fixed offset in the verticalstabilizer leading edge would take care of that.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:29:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Mike asked->anyone here ever do "aerobatics" of some sort with their plane?I have not. I was keen to practice spins and spin recovery in 41CCbut my instructor, who is proficient at aerobatics, felt that theairplane might not have as much rudder as he'd like so we didn't tryspins.>things like hammer heads and tail slidesHammerheads, I wouldn't think would be an issue at all. Tail slides-yikes! I'd be very hesitant to try that. The iffy part of it isthat a hammerhead can result in a tail-slide if the rudder break isnot performed in time, and either one can result in a spin if notperformed right. I'm not saying the Piet is impossible to spin andrecover from, I'm just saying I haven't demonstrated spins in mine.Yet.By the way, thinking about the tail surfaces, in the recent discussionabout the L-brackets that mount the vertical stabilizer to thefuselage and horizontal stabilizers, someone mentioned that the onlyforce that the through-bolts would see is an upward pull as dragpulls the stabilizer aft. I disagree, having looked back at the tailin flight often enough to know that those surfaces see quite a bit ofbuffetting from propeller slipstream and turbulence. In addition,in a slip I would think that the surfaces would see some sidewiseforces as well. At any rate, I agree that a wooden block between thegussets would do nicely to fix the little misalignment of the sparsand provide a good grip for the L-brackets.I would also agree with putting in some offset (or the ability todo so if needed later). My airplane has a fixed tab on the rudder andcould use just a skosh more... but a fixed offset in the verticalstabilizer leading edge would take care of that.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:29:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol aerobatics
Original Posted By: "Patrick Panzera"
Tim wrote->I have been told that a power-on stall happens well below>20 degrees, and is not an event, as the plane recovers well.It's not an event but I would question the 20 degree figure,at least in my plane. I will take a digital level up with meand try power-on stalls to see what it reads, because the nosesure seems to go a lot higher than that in 41CC. All I see are clouds in the view ahead!>Many slip their Piets very handily, and perhaps some quite>sharply, to align for landings.I slip 41CC on just about every landing, and I believe I'vehad the rudders to the stop or nearly so on at least oneoccasion in a slip.>A sharp slip is something to learn at greater altitudeI guess, but I was taught slips before I even had one hour inmy logbook. I learned in a J-3, so slips are used for finaladjustment of altitude on just about every landing. I don'tbelieve I ever was shown a slip at anything higher than a couple of hundred feet AGL, if that. Slips are not dangerousmaneuvers, as the airplane wants to come right out of it ifpressure is let off the controls and it takes consciousmuscle and effort to hold the airplane in a slip.It was even demonstrated to me that in the event that I foundmyself needing to lose altitude in a great hurry, to put theairplane in a stall and let it mush on down, then recover atthe altitude where I wanted to be. I have not tried that oneat low altitude intentionally, but it should work.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Tim wrote->I have been told that a power-on stall happens well below>20 degrees, and is not an event, as the plane recovers well.It's not an event but I would question the 20 degree figure,at least in my plane. I will take a digital level up with meand try power-on stalls to see what it reads, because the nosesure seems to go a lot higher than that in 41CC. All I see are clouds in the view ahead!>Many slip their Piets very handily, and perhaps some quite>sharply, to align for landings.I slip 41CC on just about every landing, and I believe I'vehad the rudders to the stop or nearly so on at least oneoccasion in a slip.>A sharp slip is something to learn at greater altitudeI guess, but I was taught slips before I even had one hour inmy logbook. I learned in a J-3, so slips are used for finaladjustment of altitude on just about every landing. I don'tbelieve I ever was shown a slip at anything higher than a couple of hundred feet AGL, if that. Slips are not dangerousmaneuvers, as the airplane wants to come right out of it ifpressure is let off the controls and it takes consciousmuscle and effort to hold the airplane in a slip.It was even demonstrated to me that in the event that I foundmyself needing to lose altitude in a great hurry, to put theairplane in a stall and let it mush on down, then recover atthe altitude where I wanted to be. I have not tried that oneat low altitude intentionally, but it should work.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol aerobatics
Original Posted By: Ryan Michals
> It's not an event but I would question the 20 degree figure,> at least in my plane. I will take a digital level up with me> and try power-on stalls to see what it reads, because the nose> sure seems to go a lot higher than that in 41CC. All I see> are clouds in the view ahead!Rookie mistake. :)Look out at your wingtip and the horizon. Pat________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:39:54 -0800 (PST)
> It's not an event but I would question the 20 degree figure,> at least in my plane. I will take a digital level up with me> and try power-on stalls to see what it reads, because the nose> sure seems to go a lot higher than that in 41CC. All I see> are clouds in the view ahead!Rookie mistake. :)Look out at your wingtip and the horizon. Pat________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:39:54 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol aerobatics
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Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Original Posted By: "walt"
Call me slow-witted=2C but besides "how the heck did they shoot those in-air shots?" one thing that puzzled me was everytime they would prop off a Jenny=2C the engine would appear to start rotating in the direction opposite to the prop start. Just an optical illusion=2C I guess.The other interesting thing was that part of it was shot in Texas. The water tower in Poth=2C Texas appears in the movie... and Poth is just east of San Antonio.That will be my last Waldo Pepper post for the year=2C I think =3Bo) I believe I popped the DVD into my player right around 8PM on January 1st so I will have another bourbon & ginger ale in celebration of being the first viewing of the new year...Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:50:38 -0500
Call me slow-witted=2C but besides "how the heck did they shoot those in-air shots?" one thing that puzzled me was everytime they would prop off a Jenny=2C the engine would appear to start rotating in the direction opposite to the prop start. Just an optical illusion=2C I guess.The other interesting thing was that part of it was shot in Texas. The water tower in Poth=2C Texas appears in the movie... and Poth is just east of San Antonio.That will be my last Waldo Pepper post for the year=2C I think =3Bo) I believe I popped the DVD into my player right around 8PM on January 1st so I will have another bourbon & ginger ale in celebration of being the first viewing of the new year...Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:50:38 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Original Posted By: walt
Most of the time those are not Jennies, they are Standards. Waldo's plane is a Hisso powered Standard, and bouncing the prop off of compression is one way to start it, but it does take someone in the cockpit to do it to crank a booster mag in the cockpit. Axle's plane is a Jenny, except when it hits the lake, then it is a Tiger Moth. It is an OX-5 powered Jenny that Waldo props to go after Axle and Mary Beth.I was expecting a BS flag on the 10am Waldo on new year's day, my 4 year old (who has been quoting the movie lines since he was two) wanted to watch it that morning, so I put it on and watched, off and on, through very heavy eyelids! Sorry Oscar! LOLGene ----- Original Message -----
Most of the time those are not Jennies, they are Standards. Waldo's plane is a Hisso powered Standard, and bouncing the prop off of compression is one way to start it, but it does take someone in the cockpit to do it to crank a booster mag in the cockpit. Axle's plane is a Jenny, except when it hits the lake, then it is a Tiger Moth. It is an OX-5 powered Jenny that Waldo props to go after Axle and Mary Beth.I was expecting a BS flag on the 10am Waldo on new year's day, my 4 year old (who has been quoting the movie lines since he was two) wanted to watch it that morning, so I put it on and watched, off and on, through very heavy eyelids! Sorry Oscar! LOLGene ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
For the GWP fanatics out there (and we know you're there), attached is arecent photo of that magical Jenny that turns into a Tiger Moth just beforecrashing into the pond. The Tiger Moth wreck was purchased and rebuilt by aman in Guelph, Ontario, and now belongs to the Tiger Boys, who are alsobased in Guelph. Their open house every September is worth a visit. Here's alink to their website:http://www.tigerboys.com/This plane is still flying - this photo was taken in September 2008.Bill C. _____
For the GWP fanatics out there (and we know you're there), attached is arecent photo of that magical Jenny that turns into a Tiger Moth just beforecrashing into the pond. The Tiger Moth wreck was purchased and rebuilt by aman in Guelph, Ontario, and now belongs to the Tiger Boys, who are alsobased in Guelph. Their open house every September is worth a visit. Here's alink to their website:http://www.tigerboys.com/This plane is still flying - this photo was taken in September 2008.Bill C. _____