Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Ok, I know it's there somewhere, but, I can't find the dimensions for the pieces that make up the vertical stab. and rudder. The manual said the leading edge of the stab was 1 x 3/4. Is this right and what are the sizes of the other components ? Thanks for any help !Jim Q.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "Jim Quinn"
There is a little group of cross-section drawings labeled with these dimensionsand the shape after rounding/rabbet cutting on the right middle of location ofthe empennage page.The leading edge of the vertical stabilizer is 1"x3/4"The back of the vertical stabilizer is 1'x1".The bottom vertical stabilizer tapers from 1"x1" to 1"x3/4"The front of the rudder (hinged main spar) is 1" x 1"The trailing edge of the rudder is 1 1/4" x 5/8" (I made mine 1 3/8" vs. 1 1/4"to have more wood for shaping.)The sides taper from 1" x 1" to 1" x 5/8".--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
There is a little group of cross-section drawings labeled with these dimensionsand the shape after rounding/rabbet cutting on the right middle of location ofthe empennage page.The leading edge of the vertical stabilizer is 1"x3/4"The back of the vertical stabilizer is 1'x1".The bottom vertical stabilizer tapers from 1"x1" to 1"x3/4"The front of the rudder (hinged main spar) is 1" x 1"The trailing edge of the rudder is 1 1/4" x 5/8" (I made mine 1 3/8" vs. 1 1/4"to have more wood for shaping.)The sides taper from 1" x 1" to 1" x 5/8".--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Thanks Glenn, very helpful! I thought the small drawings only related to the horizontal stab and elevators.Thanks again,Jim----- Original Message -----
Thanks Glenn, very helpful! I thought the small drawings only related to the horizontal stab and elevators.Thanks again,Jim----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
It's one of those areas that isn't crystal clear but since they are not given specifically,those are the dimensions I went with. Pretty sure that's what B.H.P.meant.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
It's one of those areas that isn't crystal clear but since they are not given specifically,those are the dimensions I went with. Pretty sure that's what B.H.P.meant.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "JimP"
Michael,Mike C., Jack P., Oscar, and I'm sure others have had their graphics produced from vinyl by a company out of Michigan called "AvGrafix":http://www.avgrafix.com/index.htmlThere are pics of Mike and Jack's Piets under the "Custom Graphics" section of the site. I'm sure they can provide more details about cost. I can't recall having heard about any particular method for printing graphics from a consumer inkjet printer that would produce something suitable for this application. Either way, if you could produce something on your home printer it would have to be approximately 8" tall or smaller, and unless you could find media on a roll it could be no wider than approximately 10.5"....RyanOn Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Michael Perez wrote:For those of you who have your own design graphics on your plane...did you make them yourself? I have my design ready and I am curious if I can make them myself at home. I would hope it is just a matter of buying the right type of "paper" to print on.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Michael,Mike C., Jack P., Oscar, and I'm sure others have had their graphics produced from vinyl by a company out of Michigan called "AvGrafix":http://www.avgrafix.com/index.htmlThere are pics of Mike and Jack's Piets under the "Custom Graphics" section of the site. I'm sure they can provide more details about cost. I can't recall having heard about any particular method for printing graphics from a consumer inkjet printer that would produce something suitable for this application. Either way, if you could produce something on your home printer it would have to be approximately 8" tall or smaller, and unless you could find media on a roll it could be no wider than approximately 10.5"....RyanOn Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Michael Perez wrote:For those of you who have your own design graphics on your plane...did you make them yourself? I have my design ready and I am curious if I can make them myself at home. I would hope it is just a matter of buying the right type of "paper" to print on.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Glenn and Jim Q., along the same note: I've been trying to figure out how to fair the 3/16" x 1/2" strips into the trailingedges. The glue "ledge" in the trailing edge is only 1/16" deep. It seemslike I will need to remove too much material from the strips (please see attachedsketch).I'm curious how others have handled this situation?JimP.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
Glenn and Jim Q., along the same note: I've been trying to figure out how to fair the 3/16" x 1/2" strips into the trailingedges. The glue "ledge" in the trailing edge is only 1/16" deep. It seemslike I will need to remove too much material from the strips (please see attachedsketch).I'm curious how others have handled this situation?JimP.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim,Just clamp the pieces down and sand or file back about 3 or 4". Those pieceshave little to do with strength, and are mostly about shape. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage ready for gear(13 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Jim,Just clamp the pieces down and sand or file back about 3 or 4". Those pieceshave little to do with strength, and are mostly about shape. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage ready for gear(13 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
I agree with you and had the same concerns. I cut my rabbet 1/8" deep which helpssink the capstrip pieces. Also, I put spacers between the capstrips so ifit is weakened slightly at the very tip, the spacers (pieces of capstrip keepingthe fore/aft pieces from squeezing together during rib stitching) add a bitof strength. It seems adequately strong despite the thinning of the tips atthe points where the meet the spars they attach to. I'm interested in hearingwhat others might say.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I agree with you and had the same concerns. I cut my rabbet 1/8" deep which helpssink the capstrip pieces. Also, I put spacers between the capstrips so ifit is weakened slightly at the very tip, the spacers (pieces of capstrip keepingthe fore/aft pieces from squeezing together during rib stitching) add a bitof strength. It seems adequately strong despite the thinning of the tips atthe points where the meet the spars they attach to. I'm interested in hearingwhat others might say.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "JimP"
On NX18235 it was done exactly as your drawing shows. No problems after 150 hours.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
On NX18235 it was done exactly as your drawing shows. No problems after 150 hours.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Original Posted By: "JimP"
Just to add additional exuberance to this thread, I attended the barnstorming tour to the farm a couple of years ago and can't wait for the DVD. There is so much "real America" to be found just being there that I can't imagine it coming through on a recorded medium. I hope that the pro's can pull it off, I never could.-I have also been blessed over the years flying around to farm fields and grass strips in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky and Wisconsin and my heart is full of warmth in the knowledge that America still exists in massive doses that you will NEVER see or hear about in the media.-People are eager to meet you and share everything from a ride to town for gas to a spare bedroom for the night and meals and making you wait for some distant relative that is a Model "A" enthusiast. I even got held up once for the local newspaper editor to come to the strip so he could take some pictures and get some personal info for his next week's paper! Nice, honest, open, friendly and caring people that don't-give a hoot-in-hell what Brittney Spears-or Snoop Dog are doing this week. It's paradise!!-Ditto to Jim Markle's post about why some of us fly Pietenpols. To those of you building I will emphasize once more; don't spend any more of your valuable life modifying or doing involved engineering design changes, get that sucker put together safely and-fly out to find your own adventures. They are still "out there" waiting for you and you will get all tingly just lying in bed-on a cold winters-night thanking God for your turn on earth to experience them.-Sorry.................guess I still get a little carried away talking about the real America and Piets. -Can't wait for July!! Y'all come and we'll exchange tales.-Larry Williams- xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Just to add additional exuberance to this thread, I attended the barnstorming tour to the farm a couple of years ago and can't wait for the DVD. There is so much "real America" to be found just being there that I can't imagine it coming through on a recorded medium. I hope that the pro's can pull it off, I never could.-I have also been blessed over the years flying around to farm fields and grass strips in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky and Wisconsin and my heart is full of warmth in the knowledge that America still exists in massive doses that you will NEVER see or hear about in the media.-People are eager to meet you and share everything from a ride to town for gas to a spare bedroom for the night and meals and making you wait for some distant relative that is a Model "A" enthusiast. I even got held up once for the local newspaper editor to come to the strip so he could take some pictures and get some personal info for his next week's paper! Nice, honest, open, friendly and caring people that don't-give a hoot-in-hell what Brittney Spears-or Snoop Dog are doing this week. It's paradise!!-Ditto to Jim Markle's post about why some of us fly Pietenpols. To those of you building I will emphasize once more; don't spend any more of your valuable life modifying or doing involved engineering design changes, get that sucker put together safely and-fly out to find your own adventures. They are still "out there" waiting for you and you will get all tingly just lying in bed-on a cold winters-night thanking God for your turn on earth to experience them.-Sorry.................guess I still get a little carried away talking about the real America and Piets. -Can't wait for July!! Y'all come and we'll exchange tales.-Larry Williams- xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Original Posted By: Glenn Thomas
Glenn,Your post just triggered an "ah ha" moment for me. I have a killer logo in mindand was going to approach one of those graphics places until I just read yourpost. The hand-painted lettering will look far and away better and more periodauthentic. THANKS!!Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, ILNX292DH-----Original Message-----
Glenn,Your post just triggered an "ah ha" moment for me. I have a killer logo in mindand was going to approach one of those graphics places until I just read yourpost. The hand-painted lettering will look far and away better and more periodauthentic. THANKS!!Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, ILNX292DH-----Original Message-----
Original Posted By: "Dick N."
Thank you all for your help! Jim P.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thank you all for your help! Jim P.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
If anyone is looking for a deal on a Piet, I saw one for sale on Barnstormers last night. It was posted on March 9 and is located in McGregor, Mn. The wing has been removed for storage and it hasn't flown in 4+ years and only has one hour of flight time. I spoke with the owner last night. His father and a friend built it and he was to do the flight testing.We talked about w/b and the way it was set up and it sounds to me like he didn't have the wing properly set up with washout and tail balanced right. Anyway, it only flew once and I got the feeling it scared him a bit. The asking price is $8500 and that is with an A-65 with 1 hr SMOH. The plane is about 150 mi north of Minneapolis at a small grass strip.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
If anyone is looking for a deal on a Piet, I saw one for sale on Barnstormers last night. It was posted on March 9 and is located in McGregor, Mn. The wing has been removed for storage and it hasn't flown in 4+ years and only has one hour of flight time. I spoke with the owner last night. His father and a friend built it and he was to do the flight testing.We talked about w/b and the way it was set up and it sounds to me like he didn't have the wing properly set up with washout and tail balanced right. Anyway, it only flew once and I got the feeling it scared him a bit. The asking price is $8500 and that is with an A-65 with 1 hr SMOH. The plane is about 150 mi north of Minneapolis at a small grass strip.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Most graphics shops use the same equipment/material. A long time ago I workedfor Gerber Scientific, a leading mfgr of sign making equipment and dealt with alot of their customers across the country. There is quite a bit of variance inwhat sign shops charge, some due to materials, mostly due to markup. Any shopthat caters specifically to aviation is likely to charge more just because ofthe association. The alternative which may or may not be considered, is tostencil your design and hand paint for a real period look. It might not be asperfect as a computer generated image but that imperfection might just be thelook you are going for.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Most graphics shops use the same equipment/material. A long time ago I workedfor Gerber Scientific, a leading mfgr of sign making equipment and dealt with alot of their customers across the country. There is quite a bit of variance inwhat sign shops charge, some due to materials, mostly due to markup. Any shopthat caters specifically to aviation is likely to charge more just because ofthe association. The alternative which may or may not be considered, is tostencil your design and hand paint for a real period look. It might not be asperfect as a computer generated image but that imperfection might just be thelook you are going for.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Most graphics shops use the same equipment/material. A long time ago I workedfor Gerber Scientific, a leading mfgr of sign making equipment and dealt witha lot of their customers across the country. There is quite a bit of variancein what sign shops charge, some due to materials, mostly due to markup. Anyshop that caters specifically to aviation is likely to charge more just becauseof the association. The alternative which may or may not be considered, isto stencil your design and hand paint for a real period look. It might not beas perfect as a computer generated image but that imperfection might just bethe look you are going for.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphicsDate: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:07:14 -0400
Most graphics shops use the same equipment/material. A long time ago I workedfor Gerber Scientific, a leading mfgr of sign making equipment and dealt witha lot of their customers across the country. There is quite a bit of variancein what sign shops charge, some due to materials, mostly due to markup. Anyshop that caters specifically to aviation is likely to charge more just becauseof the association. The alternative which may or may not be considered, isto stencil your design and hand paint for a real period look. It might not beas perfect as a computer generated image but that imperfection might just bethe look you are going for.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphicsDate: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:07:14 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: Making own graphics
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Here's another idea for you guys that want to paint with a stencil. You can sendyour graphic to a sign shop and they can run paper through their plotter withsomething called a pounce wheel instead of the usual vinyl cutting knife. This punches perforations into the paper and makes for a really simple to usestencil. Just tape to the surface and hit with some contrasting spray paint andthere are your coloring book lines. The graphic shop shouldn't charge youmuch because the paper costs them next to nothing, you didn't need their artisticservices, and now they know you know all their secrets. (Well, they willprobably still find a way to gouge you but it would be interesting to find outhow it changes the price when shopping)Graphic shops will need the image sent to them in a specific vector format to becompatible with their software and they may charge you for cleaning it up and/orconverting it to their format. This is likely the opportunity they willuse to gouge you. Do your homework, convert it to their format yourself and givethem as little work to do as possible and it shouldn't cost much (but theywon't like you either). Now the quality of the sign doesn't matter and justgo for the place that can do it the cheapest.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Here's another idea for you guys that want to paint with a stencil. You can sendyour graphic to a sign shop and they can run paper through their plotter withsomething called a pounce wheel instead of the usual vinyl cutting knife. This punches perforations into the paper and makes for a really simple to usestencil. Just tape to the surface and hit with some contrasting spray paint andthere are your coloring book lines. The graphic shop shouldn't charge youmuch because the paper costs them next to nothing, you didn't need their artisticservices, and now they know you know all their secrets. (Well, they willprobably still find a way to gouge you but it would be interesting to find outhow it changes the price when shopping)Graphic shops will need the image sent to them in a specific vector format to becompatible with their software and they may charge you for cleaning it up and/orconverting it to their format. This is likely the opportunity they willuse to gouge you. Do your homework, convert it to their format yourself and givethem as little work to do as possible and it shouldn't cost much (but theywon't like you either). Now the quality of the sign doesn't matter and justgo for the place that can do it the cheapest.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Barnstorming
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: BarnstormingNice, honest, open, friendly >and caring people that don'tgive a hoot-in-hell what Brittney >Spearsor Snoop Dog are doing this week. It's paradise!!Great post Larry Williams and GREAT line above. I couldn't agree morewith all you said and especially regarding total apathy towards what ishappening in Hollywood. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: BarnstormingNice, honest, open, friendly >and caring people that don'tgive a hoot-in-hell what Brittney >Spearsor Snoop Dog are doing this week. It's paradise!!Great post Larry Williams and GREAT line above. I couldn't agree morewith all you said and especially regarding total apathy towards what ishappening in Hollywood. ________________________________________________________________________________