Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Original Posted By: shad bell
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it up
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Dang guys I cant believe the fire Ive ignited over a few innocent suggestions.I wasnt asking that we change the forum, rather I was just offering a few pointersto those that had raised some questions recently, and suggested a coupleof things we could do to make it more useable. It is kind of hard to searchthrough these forums for useful information (you know, using the actual searchfeature), but if we kept the threads intact, meaning that we don't start a newthread just to reply to another comment, it would be a little more useful whenwe are looking for solutions to issues that have already been discussed. Hey,so far this discussion is staying in the original thread, way to go guys.;-)I guess I owe a few answers, and then Ill try to leave it at that.> No Mark, > > I am a Member of EAA 96 and am actually in the controls (rudder and elevator)stage of helping a fellow builder get his Piet flightworthy. Come on down toour hangar at Compton Woodley airport and have a look. Our chapter meetings areon the 3rd Saturday of the month. Or contact me off list and I will gladly sendyou some pictures of our Piet progress > > What EAA Chapter are you affiliated with? > > Have you started construction yet?> Joe Motis > EAA735730 California is a bit of a drive (or flight) for me Joe, so I probably won't be ableto make it any time soon. To answer your question, yes, I am a member of EAA10 and I am just getting started on construction. I actually have originalplans in hand and have rented a hangar for the purpose of building and storingmy project. Not sure what relevance that is to the discussion, but yes, I havea genuine interest if that is what you wanted to know. I don't have muchto report at the time, but you are welcome to follow along or offer suggestionsif you like. > This is so poorly typed, I didn't even try to read it. Why don't you try > again, this time taking a little more time and make its readable? > Thank you > GeneReally? Well, Im sorry it didnt read well for you Gene. Ive been told that Ihave excellent writing skills, but I do occasionally get long winded and the thoughtscan run together at times. > My eyes stared to glaze over after the first two pages. :0( > > Dan Helsper > Popar Grove, IL > NX929DHDang! Was it really that bad? How do you guys manage to get though build manualsand such? I mean, if the topic Ive posted doesnt interest you, fine, whywaste another second on the discussion?> Let's remember our audience, here. This is a list about building and flyingPietenpol aiplanes, not about being web or forum savvy. Personally, I rather enjoythe somewhat chaotic nature of this list! The Pietenpol list has it's ownvery unique culture and is a colorful family of helpful individuals, not allof which are well versed in the ways of the Internet, and that's okay. > Let's not worry about formatting and things like that, and enjoy airplanes andbuilding. > Welcome to the list.> > Wayne Bressler Jr. > Got the plans and dreaming, raising a family in the meantime... > Taildraggers, Inc. > taildraggersinc.com > Sent from my iPhoneYou are absolutely right Wayne. As I stated above, Im not suggesting that we changethe forum I know that this is a list about building and flying Pietenpolairplanes, and Im not trying to insist that everyone be web savvy to participate,I simply offered a few pointers on how to do a few things and suggested thatthe proper use of the reply button would make for a more useable resource.I dont care if the topic is BBQ, motorcycles, firearms, or whatever, the betterorganized the forum is, the more useful it is to the users. Here is one thingthat makes this forum a little different, and more difficult to sort throughwe have one category that everything falls under Pietenpol List, rather thanhaving sub-categories, such as empennage, wings, powerplant, electrical, etc.So, it is no wonder that its a little more difficult to navigate, but aside fromthat, keeping the discussion with the original thread (i.e. posting a replywhen responding to another question or comment), would go a long way in keepingthings orderly. Thats all I was suggesting. You enjoy the chaotic nature,ok, fine, but it just isnt as helpful as it could be.> Hi Mark > > The rest of us seem to find the Matronics web forum totally useful; grammar spelling and etiqette faux pas included. Good luck building your Piet; this forumwill be here for you warts and all to assist. Iff (syntax intended) as yousuggest it's totally useless to you again I say: good luck. > > Rob Hart > Perth C Western Australia > VH-PTN (Reserved)I never said this forum was totally useless Rob, and I never criticized anyone'sgrammar. It is obviously incredibly useful or I wouldnt be here, or be tryingto make suggestions on how it can be refined in the future. My comment was> Web forums are just another tool... used properly they can be valuable timesavers, used improperly they can hinder, or be totally useless.Not sure that I suggested that this forum was useless in that remark.Again, Im not too clear on how my short tutorial on inserting images and how tokeep threads intact has turned into everyone thinking that Im against this entiremessage board. In fact, it was just a couple of weeks ago that I posteda comment about the warm welcome I received and the genuine nature of the forums.Look, I wasnt trying to offend anyone, Im here for the same reasons you guys are(I think). As for my credibility or worthiness, Im no less worthy of beinghere than the rest of you. I am a registered member of the forum (cant say thatfor most of my critics), and Ive purchased Matronics products for two reasons,they looked as if they would perform the task I required of them and becausethe proceeds would continue to support this resource. Maybe I've burned a few bridges with my suggestions(not exactly sure how), butfor those of you who are regular readers, you know there was a call at times forthe very advise that I posted here, "How do I post photos", "Can you see this",etc. For those of you that didn't find it useful, or don't understand howto utilize these tools, fine, keep doing things your way. On the other hand,those that did find it useful will realize an easier, more organized way ofsharing their thoughts and ideas. Ill try to bow out of this discussion for now. Perhaps Ill try a less volatilesubject next time maybe a latex thread.--------MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Dang guys I cant believe the fire Ive ignited over a few innocent suggestions.I wasnt asking that we change the forum, rather I was just offering a few pointersto those that had raised some questions recently, and suggested a coupleof things we could do to make it more useable. It is kind of hard to searchthrough these forums for useful information (you know, using the actual searchfeature), but if we kept the threads intact, meaning that we don't start a newthread just to reply to another comment, it would be a little more useful whenwe are looking for solutions to issues that have already been discussed. Hey,so far this discussion is staying in the original thread, way to go guys.;-)I guess I owe a few answers, and then Ill try to leave it at that.> No Mark, > > I am a Member of EAA 96 and am actually in the controls (rudder and elevator)stage of helping a fellow builder get his Piet flightworthy. Come on down toour hangar at Compton Woodley airport and have a look. Our chapter meetings areon the 3rd Saturday of the month. Or contact me off list and I will gladly sendyou some pictures of our Piet progress > > What EAA Chapter are you affiliated with? > > Have you started construction yet?> Joe Motis > EAA735730 California is a bit of a drive (or flight) for me Joe, so I probably won't be ableto make it any time soon. To answer your question, yes, I am a member of EAA10 and I am just getting started on construction. I actually have originalplans in hand and have rented a hangar for the purpose of building and storingmy project. Not sure what relevance that is to the discussion, but yes, I havea genuine interest if that is what you wanted to know. I don't have muchto report at the time, but you are welcome to follow along or offer suggestionsif you like. > This is so poorly typed, I didn't even try to read it. Why don't you try > again, this time taking a little more time and make its readable? > Thank you > GeneReally? Well, Im sorry it didnt read well for you Gene. Ive been told that Ihave excellent writing skills, but I do occasionally get long winded and the thoughtscan run together at times. > My eyes stared to glaze over after the first two pages. :0( > > Dan Helsper > Popar Grove, IL > NX929DHDang! Was it really that bad? How do you guys manage to get though build manualsand such? I mean, if the topic Ive posted doesnt interest you, fine, whywaste another second on the discussion?> Let's remember our audience, here. This is a list about building and flyingPietenpol aiplanes, not about being web or forum savvy. Personally, I rather enjoythe somewhat chaotic nature of this list! The Pietenpol list has it's ownvery unique culture and is a colorful family of helpful individuals, not allof which are well versed in the ways of the Internet, and that's okay. > Let's not worry about formatting and things like that, and enjoy airplanes andbuilding. > Welcome to the list.> > Wayne Bressler Jr. > Got the plans and dreaming, raising a family in the meantime... > Taildraggers, Inc. > taildraggersinc.com > Sent from my iPhoneYou are absolutely right Wayne. As I stated above, Im not suggesting that we changethe forum I know that this is a list about building and flying Pietenpolairplanes, and Im not trying to insist that everyone be web savvy to participate,I simply offered a few pointers on how to do a few things and suggested thatthe proper use of the reply button would make for a more useable resource.I dont care if the topic is BBQ, motorcycles, firearms, or whatever, the betterorganized the forum is, the more useful it is to the users. Here is one thingthat makes this forum a little different, and more difficult to sort throughwe have one category that everything falls under Pietenpol List, rather thanhaving sub-categories, such as empennage, wings, powerplant, electrical, etc.So, it is no wonder that its a little more difficult to navigate, but aside fromthat, keeping the discussion with the original thread (i.e. posting a replywhen responding to another question or comment), would go a long way in keepingthings orderly. Thats all I was suggesting. You enjoy the chaotic nature,ok, fine, but it just isnt as helpful as it could be.> Hi Mark > > The rest of us seem to find the Matronics web forum totally useful; grammar spelling and etiqette faux pas included. Good luck building your Piet; this forumwill be here for you warts and all to assist. Iff (syntax intended) as yousuggest it's totally useless to you again I say: good luck. > > Rob Hart > Perth C Western Australia > VH-PTN (Reserved)I never said this forum was totally useless Rob, and I never criticized anyone'sgrammar. It is obviously incredibly useful or I wouldnt be here, or be tryingto make suggestions on how it can be refined in the future. My comment was> Web forums are just another tool... used properly they can be valuable timesavers, used improperly they can hinder, or be totally useless.Not sure that I suggested that this forum was useless in that remark.Again, Im not too clear on how my short tutorial on inserting images and how tokeep threads intact has turned into everyone thinking that Im against this entiremessage board. In fact, it was just a couple of weeks ago that I posteda comment about the warm welcome I received and the genuine nature of the forums.Look, I wasnt trying to offend anyone, Im here for the same reasons you guys are(I think). As for my credibility or worthiness, Im no less worthy of beinghere than the rest of you. I am a registered member of the forum (cant say thatfor most of my critics), and Ive purchased Matronics products for two reasons,they looked as if they would perform the task I required of them and becausethe proceeds would continue to support this resource. Maybe I've burned a few bridges with my suggestions(not exactly sure how), butfor those of you who are regular readers, you know there was a call at times forthe very advise that I posted here, "How do I post photos", "Can you see this",etc. For those of you that didn't find it useful, or don't understand howto utilize these tools, fine, keep doing things your way. On the other hand,those that did find it useful will realize an easier, more organized way ofsharing their thoughts and ideas. Ill try to bow out of this discussion for now. Perhaps Ill try a less volatilesubject next time maybe a latex thread.--------MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it up
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it upJoe, how is the project coming? Last time Jim Markle and I visited the hangar in Compton I was rather impressed by the resources available in tools and talent. Yet I am no fan of bullet holes in the hanger walls. I would love to see some more pics and maybeanother visit next trip out to LA. You must have made a bunch more progress since last we saw the fuse and wings 2 years ago.John**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:31:56 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it up
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it upJoe, how is the project coming? Last time Jim Markle and I visited the hangar in Compton I was rather impressed by the resources available in tools and talent. Yet I am no fan of bullet holes in the hanger walls. I would love to see some more pics and maybeanother visit next trip out to LA. You must have made a bunch more progress since last we saw the fuse and wings 2 years ago.John**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:31:56 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lets clean it up
Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Thanks Ryan. The search feature works just fine, not unlike others I've used,but since it is an e-mail list it does have a bit of a different feel, and isa bit less capable of narrowing a search to relevant information.Again, I wasn't trying to impose any change, and I suppose I didn't realize thatmost were corresponding via e-mail. Seems that at least some are webbing it,and my information would likely benefit those folks a little more than the straighte-mailers. Thanks again for the info.[quote="Ryan Mueller"]Mark,If you are having a problem finding information by searching the web forum, thentry searching the Matronics mailing list archive at:http://www.matronics.com/search/ (http://www.matronics.com/search/)....read the instructions; proper formatting of your search helps get the resultsyou are looking for. Searching the mailing list archives will net you moreresults. The Pietenpol list is primarily an email mailing list , and the actuallist archives go back a few more years than what you can find by searching onthe web-based forum. And as far as your suggestions, thanks for the input, butjust remember that they don't apply for many of us as we do not use the web-baseddiscussion board for our access to the list. Have a good day,RyanOn Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, K5YAC wrote:> > Dang guys I cant believe the fire Ive ignited over a few innocent suggestions.I wasnt asking that we change the forum, rather I was just offering a few pointersto those that had raised some questions recently, and suggested a coupleof things we could do to make it more useable. It is kind of hard to searchthrough these forums for useful information (you know, using the actual searchfeature), but if we kept the threads intact, meaning that we don't start a newthread just to reply to another comment, it would be a little more useful whenwe are looking for solutions to issues that have already been discussed. Hey,so far this discussion is staying in the original thread, way to go guys.
> > I guess I owe a few answers, and then Ill try to leave it at that.--------MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciatedDate: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:32:32 -0400
Thanks Ryan. The search feature works just fine, not unlike others I've used,but since it is an e-mail list it does have a bit of a different feel, and isa bit less capable of narrowing a search to relevant information.Again, I wasn't trying to impose any change, and I suppose I didn't realize thatmost were corresponding via e-mail. Seems that at least some are webbing it,and my information would likely benefit those folks a little more than the straighte-mailers. Thanks again for the info.[quote="Ryan Mueller"]Mark,If you are having a problem finding information by searching the web forum, thentry searching the Matronics mailing list archive at:http://www.matronics.com/search/ (http://www.matronics.com/search/)....read the instructions; proper formatting of your search helps get the resultsyou are looking for. Searching the mailing list archives will net you moreresults. The Pietenpol list is primarily an email mailing list , and the actuallist archives go back a few more years than what you can find by searching onthe web-based forum. And as far as your suggestions, thanks for the input, butjust remember that they don't apply for many of us as we do not use the web-baseddiscussion board for our access to the list. Have a good day,RyanOn Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, K5YAC wrote:> > Dang guys I cant believe the fire Ive ignited over a few innocent suggestions.I wasnt asking that we change the forum, rather I was just offering a few pointersto those that had raised some questions recently, and suggested a coupleof things we could do to make it more useable. It is kind of hard to searchthrough these forums for useful information (you know, using the actual searchfeature), but if we kept the threads intact, meaning that we don't start a newthread just to reply to another comment, it would be a little more useful whenwe are looking for solutions to issues that have already been discussed. Hey,so far this discussion is staying in the original thread, way to go guys.
> > I guess I owe a few answers, and then Ill try to leave it at that.--------MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciatedDate: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:32:32 -0400Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Original Posted By: Jack T. Textor
Jack I am ready to make my wing tank also. I am going to weld mine. Give me a callJerry GroganDes Moines, IADo not arcive ----- Original Message -----
Jack I am ready to make my wing tank also. I am going to weld mine. Give me a callJerry GroganDes Moines, IADo not arcive ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Quick response appreciated
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
5052 H32 is what I used for my tank. It is a weldable, non-heat-treatable(but work hardening, hence the H32 designation) alloy with good corrosionresistance. As for Pro-Seal, I'm not a big fan of it. I have had a leak atnearly every rivet in the tanks in my RV-4, and they were sealed withproseal (admittedly, it has been flying for 22 years now, so it takes awhile for Pro-Seal to leak, but it WILL eventually leak). On my Pietenpol I riveted the tank together and then had every seam andevery rivet TIG welded, then checked for leaks. I found 32 separate pinholeleaks and had them re-welded. Checked it again and this time there wereonly 4 leaks. Back to the welder, then leak checked and it has been leakfree ever since.Jack PhillipsMX899JP _____
5052 H32 is what I used for my tank. It is a weldable, non-heat-treatable(but work hardening, hence the H32 designation) alloy with good corrosionresistance. As for Pro-Seal, I'm not a big fan of it. I have had a leak atnearly every rivet in the tanks in my RV-4, and they were sealed withproseal (admittedly, it has been flying for 22 years now, so it takes awhile for Pro-Seal to leak, but it WILL eventually leak). On my Pietenpol I riveted the tank together and then had every seam andevery rivet TIG welded, then checked for leaks. I found 32 separate pinholeleaks and had them re-welded. Checked it again and this time there wereonly 4 leaks. Back to the welder, then leak checked and it has been leakfree ever since.Jack PhillipsMX899JP _____