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#yiv1615900122 .hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv1615900122 {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}I'm useing a big cork that I bought at the local Ace hardware.-That's what the Aeronca that I fly has for a float and it works fine.-- Ed G-> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
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Original Posted By: "Gardiner Mason"
What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot ofcar gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can checkout a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideason which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neckand have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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I'm useing a big cork that I bought at the local Ace hardware. That's what the Aeronca that I fly has for a float and it works fine. Ed G> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
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Original Posted By: "Steve Ruse"
Raymond=3BOn 41CC=2C Corky epoxied two large corks butt-to-butt on the end of the brass rod that makes up the fuel level indicator right out in front of the pilot and passenger. These corks are larger than you used to see on a regular Thermos bottle=2C about the size of what you'd use on a 5-gallon bottle of water that Oasis or Ozarka used to deliver to your house for drinking water. The two corks are epoxied onto the end of the rod and then liberally painted with epoxy=2C and I mean liberally. The pair of corks float well in avgas. You could substitute a brass ball like what is used in a toilet ballcock but that would be overkill and you couldn't fit it in through a standard filler neck. Some folks have used ping-pong balls but those seem too fragile to me. Corks liberally coated with epoxy are pretty rugged and easy to come by.Corky "calibrated" the brass rod of the float indicator by filing notches in the rod at every gallon from "full" down to "unusable fuel only remaining". When I had the fuel tank out while rebuilding the airplane after the nose-over=2C I very carefully checked the calibration by adding one gallon of water to the fuel tank at a time and Corky's calibration was about as precise as this engineer could ever arrive at by computation=2C evaluation=2C micromanagement=2C extrapolation=2C or persuasion. In other words=2C it's as accurate as can be read while in flight in an open-cockpit airplane and plenty close enough. I painted the rod red from the final four gallons to the stop=2C and actually none of that last four gallons should be considered usable for safe flight. I painted the rod yellow from 8 gallons to 4 gallons=2C as a caution that the airplane is in its final hour of safe=2C comfortable VFR flight. The first 8 gallons below the yellow are completely usable as two good hours of flight in which the pilot's rear end=2C sanity=2C hearing=2C and good judgement are unimpaired and the airplane is willing and ready to go wherever it's pointed.Your mileage may vary=2C but I'll bet it's not by much.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
I used a fishing rod handle made of cork, purchased from Bass Pro Shop. Any fishing store should have something similar. It is probably roughly 1-1/8" diameter and 2" tall.It is coated in System Three T-88 epoxy, which has lasted several years with no problems whatsoever, even in auto fuel. Most epoxys are not impervious to ethanol though, so you should always test for ethanol. T-88 is impervious to gasoline or AvGas.I tried a brass rod first and it was too heavy...wouldn't float. I ordered some 1/8" aluminum rod from Aircraft Spruce (after much searching for it elsewhere), and it works great.I drilled the aluminum rod just below and above the cork, then used my smallest safety wire to lock the cork in place. A single strand ties the bottom of the rod to the hole just above the cork, so even if the rod breaks off at a hole, the rod will come out together. Using a single cotter pin on top of the cork instead can cause unexpected loss of components in the fuel tank. I spent the night in a stranger's house in Arkansas as a result of that one time...Steve RuseNorman, OK----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By:> Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float> My float is like Corky's. My rod is Stainless steel welding rod. > The tank holds 12.6 gallons. The tank is just behind the firewall. > I put 4 gallons of gas in the tank, put in the float and cap and > then bent the rod at the top. The rod goes thru a small tube > brazed in the cap. The bend hits the cap when there is still 4 > gallons left, ~ 1 hour of flying if throttled back. My engine is > the 65 Continental. My gas gage is a calibrated paint stirring > stick--Jim Lagowski> ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Friend of mine gave me a gift of a fuel tank float for two of my projects.First a FFP 404 and secondly for my Piet which I fly now.I emailed him tonight.Here is his response.Walt,Yes. 1/16" SS rod.The best epoxy is called, "JB Weld"It is basically gasoline proof and seals the two 1/16" holes you have to drill in the ping pong ball.JB Weld is sold at most auto parts stores...NAPA for instance also Advance Auto.I also made some with TWO balls on one rod to get more buoyancy. But if you keep the SS rod thin and not to long it will float on one ball.CookIt works beautifully.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
My float is like Corky's. My rod is Stainless steel welding rod. The tank holds 12.6 gallons. The tank is just behind the firewall. I put 4 gallons of gas in the tank, put in the float and cap and then bent the rod at the top. The rod goes thru a small tube brazed in the cap. The bend hits the cap when there is still 4 gallons left, ~ 1 hour of flying if throttled back. My engine is the 65 Continental. My gas gage is a calibrated paint stirring stick--Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Lagowski Morrow
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank floatThe Floats in my 1948 V tail Bonanza are varnished Cork. They have worked wellfor 8 years. In a mix of Car gas and Av Gas.Blue Skies,Steve D.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
I've seen a million good responses on here but wanted to throw in one that has been missed . . . in the old days, the corks were originally coated with many coats of good old-fashioned shellac, which seems to be impervious to all fuels and additives.Gene ----- Original Message -----
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NOT alcohol! That is the solvent for shellac.http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/je ... ac.htmClif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float the corks were originally coated with many coats of good old-fashioned shellac, which seems to be impervious to all fuels and additives. Gene________________________________________________________________________________
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Friend of mine made me 2 float assy over the years , at different times, for my two projects.They've worked flawlessly. And very simple.Below is his discription.>>>>>>>>>>>>use 1/16" rod from the welding store as the rod.then I found an old ball point pen that had the brass ink tube, cut and cleaned that and soldered it into a hole drilled in the fuel cap.Works absolutely flawlessly!! ( or buy the tube at the hobby store) You can either drop it to the bottom,cut the rod 1/2" from the top of tube, and bend it over,,,,,,,,Or set it higher to make a built in reservewalt evansNX140DL________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
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Original Posted By: "Tim Willis"
TEAM Aircraft used to recommend bending a wire like is used to dip out colored easter eggs and glue a ping pong ball to it with T-88 to make a float. Alcohol dissolves the T-88 though. I tried it on my minimax.dennis----- Original Message -----
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Yes, steel solders beautifully. Just remember that if using a propane torch, the cap takes alot longer to come up to temp,,,so you don't discolor the brass tube and make it unsolderable.Goes without saying to pop out the rubber gasket from the gas cap first.Just clean everthing up shiney, coat all with solder paste.PS, I used the same cap as you.walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 067#238067> > > > > > > ============================================> > > _________________________________________________________________Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-e ... ______Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:39:59 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank float
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> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> >> > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a> lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I> can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel> tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit> into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod> ?Raymond> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 067#238067> >> >> >> &gt> >> >> >>> ------------------------------> Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet> Explorer 8. Download FREE now!>> *>> *>>-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:53:45 -0400
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 067#238067> > > >> > > Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod ?Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 067#238067 > > > &gt > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now!" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ntribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Coloradohttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ... ______Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:41:39 -0700 (PDT)
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>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>> >>> >>> >>> > What are you using for a float in your tanks? I guess there are still a>> lot of car gas tanks that use brass floats on their gage senders and maybe I>> can check out a friends junkyard and find a good one to use in my fuel>> tank.any ideas on which models might have the best size and shape to fit>> into the filler neck and have enough buoyancy to raise the brass rod>> ?Raymond>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Read this topic online here:>> >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 067#238067>> >>> >>> >>> &gt>> >>> >>> >>>>> ------------------------------>> Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet>> Explorer 8. Download FREE now!>>>> *>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> *>>>>>>> --> Rick Holland> Castle Rock, Colorado>> *>> title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... nics.com/c*>> *>> *>>-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________
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