Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]"
Pietenpol-List: flying into Oshkosh
Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into Oshkosh
Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshMike,There's no way mine is going to go 90 at straight and level. What would the controller do in that case? Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshMike,There's no way mine is going to go 90 at straight and level. What would the controller do in that case? Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into Oshkosh
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshIn a message dated 7/10/2008 7:40:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:The best part is when the controller at Fisk tells you "blue and white high wing, keep your speed up" when you are atfull power and indicating 90 mph. Bite me. ================================WhatDaYaMean you can't land at 90 MPH? =)Canards can't flare so many of them do land at 85~90 MPH, so you can imagine why the two don't mix when Fisk puts one in behind you. S-turns and circles anyone? It seems most of the guys have experienced this at some point or another. They are both airborne but as different as a hammer and a saw. I seethe Cozy as a tool, a fun cross country vehicle, I see the Piet as just fun, good for the soul, it appeals to the innate Richard Bach thing deep down inside,makes you want to go read Illusions all over again? I feel that if someone does not get a different vibe from a wood and a fiberglass boat they'd miss the point (No, it's not "Help Meeee; I'm rotting!")...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshIn a message dated 7/10/2008 7:40:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:The best part is when the controller at Fisk tells you "blue and white high wing, keep your speed up" when you are atfull power and indicating 90 mph. Bite me. ================================WhatDaYaMean you can't land at 90 MPH? =)Canards can't flare so many of them do land at 85~90 MPH, so you can imagine why the two don't mix when Fisk puts one in behind you. S-turns and circles anyone? It seems most of the guys have experienced this at some point or another. They are both airborne but as different as a hammer and a saw. I seethe Cozy as a tool, a fun cross country vehicle, I see the Piet as just fun, good for the soul, it appeals to the innate Richard Bach thing deep down inside,makes you want to go read Illusions all over again? I feel that if someone does not get a different vibe from a wood and a fiberglass boat they'd miss the point (No, it's not "Help Meeee; I'm rotting!")...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: flying into Oshkosh
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshI remember that crunch well. I was landing the plane ahead of the accident piet. I remember feeling the thump as I flared when the wake got me in the last second of flight, seeing the DC-3 pass. About 2 seconds earlier I heard a plane behind me go to full throttle and then a whump and crunch sound. I turned in my seat to see the piet in its final twisting motion and a cloud of dust, a main wheel springing from the confusion and bounding toward the main runway in an awkward track. It was a sick feeling, but the pilot was ok. He told me that at about 10' he lost glide path and roll at the same time and tried to go around. The wind was 90 degrees cross and about 10 knots or so. The landing DC-3's wake got him and nearly me. It was a bad end to a mass formation arrival from Hartford in 1999. Glad there was no injury!You all have fun at Brodhead. I made it there 'by surprise' last year in my Yellow Stinson. I'm not going to mislead you this year and say I won't make it, since we will be driving through the area on family vacation this year.... I can say I won't be flying, but if you see a white Suburban with a block letter "E" pasted to the rear, we succeeded in adding Brodhead to our itinerary!Steve EldredgeNC9406K47' Stinson 108-2stinson(at)byu.edu[cid:image001.gif(at)01C8E270.493A4830]Steve E
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshI remember that crunch well. I was landing the plane ahead of the accident piet. I remember feeling the thump as I flared when the wake got me in the last second of flight, seeing the DC-3 pass. About 2 seconds earlier I heard a plane behind me go to full throttle and then a whump and crunch sound. I turned in my seat to see the piet in its final twisting motion and a cloud of dust, a main wheel springing from the confusion and bounding toward the main runway in an awkward track. It was a sick feeling, but the pilot was ok. He told me that at about 10' he lost glide path and roll at the same time and tried to go around. The wind was 90 degrees cross and about 10 knots or so. The landing DC-3's wake got him and nearly me. It was a bad end to a mass formation arrival from Hartford in 1999. Glad there was no injury!You all have fun at Brodhead. I made it there 'by surprise' last year in my Yellow Stinson. I'm not going to mislead you this year and say I won't make it, since we will be driving through the area on family vacation this year.... I can say I won't be flying, but if you see a white Suburban with a block letter "E" pasted to the rear, we succeeded in adding Brodhead to our itinerary!Steve EldredgeNC9406K47' Stinson 108-2stinson(at)byu.edu[cid:image001.gif(at)01C8E270.493A4830]Steve E
Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into Oshkosh
Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshMaybe we should all get deck chairs and scoring cards like in the Olympics, park ourselves next to a big colored dot and score landings? Add some rings for a spot landing competition?I had a boyfriend in the 70's that would fly this 16 ft R/c glider, he maxed the spot landing competition. I had the stopwatch and would count down the time, he is downwind in terminal velocity dive10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5... he pulls out of the dive and is now heading for the spot going a bazillion mph 2 ft off the grass, the crowd thinks he is insane....3, 2, 1..WHAM ! he dips the nose on the paper plate precisely at ZERO, pulls up into a half loop and gently circles around, speed brakes deploy and he takes his time line up and landing -on- the plate. The crowd goes wild.The rules said first that how many seconds from the clock +/- you touched the ground was the first half of your score and then how close you came to a stop at the paper plate in inches was the rest of the score. Lowest score wins.Thinking outside the box he treated them as two separate events for a 0/0 score.We'll have none of that on the colored spots please =)...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/10/2008 10:54:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:Funny when the controllers tell you to hit one of the big colored dots on the runways. My last landing up there theytold me to land on the furthest dot down the runway and to keep my speed up as long as possible. Was odd flyingover the runway at 80 feet at full power until the last 1/4 of it but true to form, the Pietenpol does what it does bestin that configuration---demonstrates it's great ability to produce drag. One time past Ripon the controller asked me to 'sidestep' to my left to allow a wallowing Aerostar twin engine passme up. That poor guy had flaps and gear out and was nose high when he went past me just off my right wing. I could almost see his middle finger giving me some kind of aerial gesture that wasn't very kind:)) MIke C.do not archive(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshMaybe we should all get deck chairs and scoring cards like in the Olympics, park ourselves next to a big colored dot and score landings? Add some rings for a spot landing competition?I had a boyfriend in the 70's that would fly this 16 ft R/c glider, he maxed the spot landing competition. I had the stopwatch and would count down the time, he is downwind in terminal velocity dive10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5... he pulls out of the dive and is now heading for the spot going a bazillion mph 2 ft off the grass, the crowd thinks he is insane....3, 2, 1..WHAM ! he dips the nose on the paper plate precisely at ZERO, pulls up into a half loop and gently circles around, speed brakes deploy and he takes his time line up and landing -on- the plate. The crowd goes wild.The rules said first that how many seconds from the clock +/- you touched the ground was the first half of your score and then how close you came to a stop at the paper plate in inches was the rest of the score. Lowest score wins.Thinking outside the box he treated them as two separate events for a 0/0 score.We'll have none of that on the colored spots please =)...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 7/10/2008 10:54:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:Funny when the controllers tell you to hit one of the big colored dots on the runways. My last landing up there theytold me to land on the furthest dot down the runway and to keep my speed up as long as possible. Was odd flyingover the runway at 80 feet at full power until the last 1/4 of it but true to form, the Pietenpol does what it does bestin that configuration---demonstrates it's great ability to produce drag. One time past Ripon the controller asked me to 'sidestep' to my left to allow a wallowing Aerostar twin engine passme up. That poor guy had flaps and gear out and was nose high when he went past me just off my right wing. I could almost see his middle finger giving me some kind of aerial gesture that wasn't very kind:)) MIke C.do not archive(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:31:17 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshI did notice in the BPAN newsletter (thank you Doc and Dee) that EAA is allowing us to land on the ultralight grass runway IF we have a tailskid. That's very cool. And then you can get towed to the parking area by the Homebuilt HQ.So Don E., will you be flying with a radio via the FISK approach or going NORDO from Brodhead to OSH ? I will have my Icom handheld to communicate (I should say listen) to FISK and the tower at OSH.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying into OshkoshI did notice in the BPAN newsletter (thank you Doc and Dee) that EAA is allowing us to land on the ultralight grass runway IF we have a tailskid. That's very cool. And then you can get towed to the parking area by the Homebuilt HQ.So Don E., will you be flying with a radio via the FISK approach or going NORDO from Brodhead to OSH ? I will have my Icom handheld to communicate (I should say listen) to FISK and the tower at OSH.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Pietenpol-List: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Hey Mike C,I haven't studied up on it too much but I would like to try the Brodhead to Oshkoshdirect idea. Most of my cross-country planning seems to be planned a fewminutes before the flight. Draw a line and go. Not really the best idea I suppose.So I do need to get some time to look over the arrival procedures. I'ma NORDO. So if I feel the urge to get chatty it usually has to be with myself.I can yell pretty loud but I usually have to communicate with my wingmanby hand signals. In '07 there were several of us flying together on our wayto Brodhead, I think at one point there were actually 9 airplanes. None hadradios. We seemed to communicate ok, no real problems. Anyway, the gas rangefor Brodhead to OSH isn't a problem for me, the butt range is somewhat though.If I can do a NORDO arrival direct from Brodhead I will but I don't know ifI can do that from that far out.Ya know, it's only a little over 3 months away! Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying into Oshkosh
Hey Mike C,I haven't studied up on it too much but I would like to try the Brodhead to Oshkoshdirect idea. Most of my cross-country planning seems to be planned a fewminutes before the flight. Draw a line and go. Not really the best idea I suppose.So I do need to get some time to look over the arrival procedures. I'ma NORDO. So if I feel the urge to get chatty it usually has to be with myself.I can yell pretty loud but I usually have to communicate with my wingmanby hand signals. In '07 there were several of us flying together on our wayto Brodhead, I think at one point there were actually 9 airplanes. None hadradios. We seemed to communicate ok, no real problems. Anyway, the gas rangefor Brodhead to OSH isn't a problem for me, the butt range is somewhat though.If I can do a NORDO arrival direct from Brodhead I will but I don't know ifI can do that from that far out.Ya know, it's only a little over 3 months away! Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying into Oshkosh