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Re: Pietenpol-List: piet mods- How much is too much?
RE: Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Funny you should mention the diet, but that is exactly what I amthinking although I have the Corvair engine and am looking for an O-290!I am 6'-5" and weigh 250 lbs. I am trying to drop to 205 lbs. so I cancarry paxs!RobRob Stapleton, PhotojournalistAnchorage, AK(907) 230-9425KL2ANSkype:rob.stapleton.jr-----Original Message-----
Funny you should mention the diet, but that is exactly what I amthinking although I have the Corvair engine and am looking for an O-290!I am 6'-5" and weigh 250 lbs. I am trying to drop to 205 lbs. so I cancarry paxs!RobRob Stapleton, PhotojournalistAnchorage, AK(907) 230-9425KL2ANSkype:rob.stapleton.jr-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: "Bernie" & High flying
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Re: Pietenpol-List: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
"Past what I have done"?????Clif"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Thomas Edison Hello all, too many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in this dubious category. Dan Helsper________________________________________________________________________________
"Past what I have done"?????Clif"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Thomas Edison Hello all, too many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in this dubious category. Dan Helsper________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: "rameses32"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offsetI totally agree with Walt Evans-there is no need for rudder offset if you rig your plane right and build inoffset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony Bingelis "flight test" notes of how to testyour homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane from how it flies with regard to balloffset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could very well be an error in the rigging ofyour wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didn't true up quite perfectly.After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my rudder to get hands-off cruise for foldingcharts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights but the tab only has the slightest of offset.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt-- rudder offsetI totally agree with Walt Evans-there is no need for rudder offset if you rig your plane right and build inoffset when you make your motor mount. If you go thru the Tony Bingelis "flight test" notes of how to testyour homebuilt he gives a step-by-step sequence of how rig your plane from how it flies with regard to balloffset, drift, etc. What you may be correcting for with rudder could very well be an error in the rigging ofyour wings----or twist in your horizontal stabilizer that you didn't true up quite perfectly.After all was said and done I added a small aluminum trim tab on my rudder to get hands-off cruise for foldingcharts and fumbling with things in the cockpit during x-country flights but the tab only has the slightest of offset.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans
Original Posted By: "Will42"
Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like the part (pastwhat I have done), and then calling everybody that has changed anything fromthe plans "Dubious".Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have seen, he wasconstantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he ever put a door in, orbuilt a three piece wing, used brakes? Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material,did he ever build a steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice,deeper fuselage, wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to makeimprovements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout, but he didn'tsay, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I add threefeet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that V-10 out of my Viper intomy Pietenpol and improve the...............Charley> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, should have theirright to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air Camper, removed. If they wantto call it an "aircamper" (note lower case) that is fine but we all need to drawthe line somewhere, and this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporatestoo many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placedin this dubious category.> > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL > > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans
Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like the part (pastwhat I have done), and then calling everybody that has changed anything fromthe plans "Dubious".Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have seen, he wasconstantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he ever put a door in, orbuilt a three piece wing, used brakes? Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material,did he ever build a steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice,deeper fuselage, wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless,and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to makeimprovements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout, but he didn'tsay, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I add threefeet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that V-10 out of my Viper intomy Pietenpol and improve the...............Charley> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, should have theirright to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air Camper, removed. If they wantto call it an "aircamper" (note lower case) that is fine but we all need to drawthe line somewhere, and this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporatestoo many changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placedin this dubious category.> > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL > > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pfeifer Sport plans
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
[ Charlie,[/quote]You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the mailing cost is.Darrel[/quote]Darrel; I too would like to have the Pfeifer CD. I can Pay-pal if I had an e-mailaddress or just send $5. if I had a street address. Thanks so much...........Will42 will(at)cctc.netRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
[ Charlie,[/quote]You can pay me directly through Pay Pal using this email address. Reply with your address and I'll send a copy then let you know what the mailing cost is.Darrel[/quote]Darrel; I too would like to have the Pfeifer CD. I can Pay-pal if I had an e-mailaddress or just send $5. if I had a street address. Thanks so much...........Will42 will(at)cctc.netRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recineknowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's unpublished original extra secret comfort design seatingYou know I just couldn't help myselfJohnYou know folks, if you've never met John Recine in person be certain to avoid him at all costs if going to Brodhead. This guy willtake you under, you'll end up in the Green County Courthouse by Saturday at noon. Here's a wanted poster in the making from a photoI took of John Hoffman and John last summer at Brodhead. Actually John's not a trouble maker at all and has a great sense of humor.(he certainly was gracious with us harassing him after just meeting him-ask John !)I'm not sure what various types of seat designs that Mr. Bernard H. Pietenpol used on his 26 variants of the Pietenpol Air Camper (to includeusing a V-8 engine on one, tailwheel and radio on another and modern 1940's Cub engine on a few) but the plywood slab seats aren't toobad if you've got some natural padding. I'm sure the wicker is going to look nice Dan and if not mistaken don't you have cane inserts onone or both of your seats Greg Cardinal on your and Dale's Pietenpol ?PS-here's an additional tip about John Recine. Get in front of him during the Saturday night Brodhead pork chop dinner:)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood seats and John Recineknowing the purist you are I am certain that the seat was part of Bernard's unpublished original extra secret comfort design seatingYou know I just couldn't help myselfJohnYou know folks, if you've never met John Recine in person be certain to avoid him at all costs if going to Brodhead. This guy willtake you under, you'll end up in the Green County Courthouse by Saturday at noon. Here's a wanted poster in the making from a photoI took of John Hoffman and John last summer at Brodhead. Actually John's not a trouble maker at all and has a great sense of humor.(he certainly was gracious with us harassing him after just meeting him-ask John !)I'm not sure what various types of seat designs that Mr. Bernard H. Pietenpol used on his 26 variants of the Pietenpol Air Camper (to includeusing a V-8 engine on one, tailwheel and radio on another and modern 1940's Cub engine on a few) but the plywood slab seats aren't toobad if you've got some natural padding. I'm sure the wicker is going to look nice Dan and if not mistaken don't you have cane inserts onone or both of your seats Greg Cardinal on your and Dale's Pietenpol ?PS-here's an additional tip about John Recine. Get in front of him during the Saturday night Brodhead pork chop dinner:)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
To add my 2-cents here. I would say it is NOT a Pietenpol if it deviates from thebasic outline of the plan form that Bernie designed including all his variousdesign iterations of the Piet too.Building materials does not matter, nor does how it is constructed but, changingthe shape of the outline of any parts, i.e. wing, tail, fuselage, would fallinto this " is NOT a Pietenpol" category.Cheers,Keri-AnnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
To add my 2-cents here. I would say it is NOT a Pietenpol if it deviates from thebasic outline of the plan form that Bernie designed including all his variousdesign iterations of the Piet too.Building materials does not matter, nor does how it is constructed but, changingthe shape of the outline of any parts, i.e. wing, tail, fuselage, would fallinto this " is NOT a Pietenpol" category.Cheers,Keri-AnnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?> This reminds me of the time a friend of mine was trying to figure > out > what car to buy. He'd finally reached a point in life where he > could > lash out and buy as sportscar (kids taken care of, he and his wife > had jobs they loved, they both had saved for this and were > excited, > etc.). For some reason, he got hung up on what defines a > "sportscar." > Knowing that I'd owned several things like Healeys, MB 23-16Vs, > etc, > he asked me "What makes a car as sportscarI?". I thought for a > while > and came up with: "A sportscar is whatever kind of car that makes > you > feel "sporty" when you drive it. And "sporty" is completely up to > you."> > In the same sense, a Pietenpol is whatever kind of plane that > makes > you feel like you're flying a Pietenpol when you fly it. This > feeling > could be wrapped up in nostalgia, could be the extreme happiness > afforded by an evening flight, could be a philosophy of > "simplicate" > in building, or maybe it's the clubbiness of being involved with > this > email list. I'm sure Oscar could express it better.> > So for me, when someone pulls up to the pump in something that > vaguely resembles a Pietenpol, and they get out of the plane with > a > big smile on their face and refer to their plane as a Pietenpol, > well, that's good enough for me.> > >> >Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like > >the part (past what I have done), and then calling everybody that > >has changed anything from the plans "Dubious".> >> >Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have > >seen, he was constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he > >ever put a door in, or built a three piece wing, used brakes? > >Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material, did he ever build a > >steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice, deeper fuselage, > >wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless, > >and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to > >make improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout, > >but he didn't say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.> >> >Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I > >add three feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that > >V-10 out of my Viper into my Pietenpol and improve the...............> >> >> >Charley> >> >> >> >> >> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, > >>should have their right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air > >>Camper, removed. If they want to call it an "aircamper" (note lower > >>case) that is fine but we all need to draw the line somewhere, and > >>this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates too many > >>changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in > >>this dubious category.> >> > >> Dan Helsper> >> Poplar Grove, IL> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Read this topic online here:> >> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 693#243693> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > ---> > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology> Emory University School of Medicine> Editor-in-Chief> Molecular Vision________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?> This reminds me of the time a friend of mine was trying to figure > out > what car to buy. He'd finally reached a point in life where he > could > lash out and buy as sportscar (kids taken care of, he and his wife > had jobs they loved, they both had saved for this and were > excited, > etc.). For some reason, he got hung up on what defines a > "sportscar." > Knowing that I'd owned several things like Healeys, MB 23-16Vs, > etc, > he asked me "What makes a car as sportscarI?". I thought for a > while > and came up with: "A sportscar is whatever kind of car that makes > you > feel "sporty" when you drive it. And "sporty" is completely up to > you."> > In the same sense, a Pietenpol is whatever kind of plane that > makes > you feel like you're flying a Pietenpol when you fly it. This > feeling > could be wrapped up in nostalgia, could be the extreme happiness > afforded by an evening flight, could be a philosophy of > "simplicate" > in building, or maybe it's the clubbiness of being involved with > this > email list. I'm sure Oscar could express it better.> > So for me, when someone pulls up to the pump in something that > vaguely resembles a Pietenpol, and they get out of the plane with > a > big smile on their face and refer to their plane as a Pietenpol, > well, that's good enough for me.> > >> >Surly this was meant to be a funny, correct? I mean I really like > >the part (past what I have done), and then calling everybody that > >has changed anything from the plans "Dubious".> >> >Pietenpol himself never built two aircraft the same from what I have > >seen, he was constantly updating and improving. I'm not sure he > >ever put a door in, or built a three piece wing, used brakes? > >Stearable tail wheel? Engine Choice? Material, did he ever build a > >steel tube fuselage, 4130, 1020? Fuel tank choice, deeper fuselage, > >wider fuselage, jury struts? Built up spars? The list is endless, > >and the man himself said "If you know your stuff, you may be able to > >make improvements in this ship" He was talking about the Sky Scout, > >but he didn't say, if you change it, don't call it a Pietenpol.> >> >Anyway, it made me laugh, now, back to the drawing board, I bet if I > >add three feet to each wing and 6" to the chord, I can stuff that > >V-10 out of my Viper into my Pietenpol and improve the...............> >> >> >Charley> >> >> >> >> >> At the risk of being pillared; Those that do too many mods, > >>should have their right to call their airplane a "Pietenpol" Air > >>Camper, removed. If they want to call it an "aircamper" (note lower > >>case) that is fine but we all need to draw the line somewhere, and > >>this is the place. So officially, anyone who incorporates too many > >>changes (past what I have done) will going forward be placed in > >>this dubious category.> >> > >> Dan Helsper> >> Poplar Grove, IL> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Read this topic online here:> >> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 693#243693> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > ---> > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology> Emory University School of Medicine> Editor-in-Chief> Molecular Vision________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?You can contact Dan to see if your modifications can be found in his only existing copy of the missing Bernard H. Pietenpol lost papers. Dan is a really righteous kinda guy who may do the research and either grant you an exemption or absolution which opens the door to many modifications. I will warnyou though, you have to catch him just right or its vengeance time for you my friend.Just a suggestion in your quest for acceptance, without it your designs could be shunned by all the other Piets attending Brodhead. Those Piets on the pedigree line at Brodhead can be viscous, especially when no one is looking.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?You can contact Dan to see if your modifications can be found in his only existing copy of the missing Bernard H. Pietenpol lost papers. Dan is a really righteous kinda guy who may do the research and either grant you an exemption or absolution which opens the door to many modifications. I will warnyou though, you have to catch him just right or its vengeance time for you my friend.Just a suggestion in your quest for acceptance, without it your designs could be shunned by all the other Piets attending Brodhead. Those Piets on the pedigree line at Brodhead can be viscous, especially when no one is looking.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: H RULE
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TOMS(at)mcpcity.com writes:"Stinemetze Air CamperI agree in principal, however I don't really want to name mine a "Stinemetze Air Camper.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TOMS(at)mcpcity.com writes:"Stinemetze Air CamperI agree in principal, however I don't really want to name mine a "Stinemetze Air Camper.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: shad bell
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!sorry to hear Shad. I have followed your Pietenpol news on the list. Maybe the cops will find them?....Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!sorry to hear Shad. I have followed your Pietenpol news on the list. Maybe the cops will find them?....Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?ya gotched me there!**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?ya gotched me there!**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:10:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.==============================No Shad, you need an alarm system, night vision goggles and the weapon(s) of your choice, if within the city limits I'd suggest a nice compound crossbow.Go to Sears and ask if you can have the boxes a lot of big power tools come in, leave them out at the curb the day before trash day so plenty of people see them.If you turn the other cheek you may have self abuse issues.Then get a boat so you can enjoy sunsets and chuckle about the time....________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:10:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:.........but I am starting to think I need a boat.==============================No Shad, you need an alarm system, night vision goggles and the weapon(s) of your choice, if within the city limits I'd suggest a nice compound crossbow.Go to Sears and ask if you can have the boxes a lot of big power tools come in, leave them out at the curb the day before trash day so plenty of people see them.If you turn the other cheek you may have self abuse issues.Then get a boat so you can enjoy sunsets and chuckle about the time....________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!Shad,We can only hope they show up on Craig's list or E bay although I would prefer to see them in the news, tool thief gets fingers cut off by angry saw!I doubt anyone would take them to use them for anything other than converting them to quick cash. It may even be someone you know and have trustedShad I am sorry to hear that someone would do that to you or anyone else, you know the perp may be closer than you think. They had to know you had tools there to take. People don't just break into a hangar hoping to find something, the break in to take your stuff and its always better to know what'sthere for the taking before committing the crime.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!Shad,We can only hope they show up on Craig's list or E bay although I would prefer to see them in the news, tool thief gets fingers cut off by angry saw!I doubt anyone would take them to use them for anything other than converting them to quick cash. It may even be someone you know and have trustedShad I am sorry to hear that someone would do that to you or anyone else, you know the perp may be closer than you think. They had to know you had tools there to take. People don't just break into a hangar hoping to find something, the break in to take your stuff and its always better to know what'sthere for the taking before committing the crime.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: shad bell
Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?My 65 Mustang was a sportscar. But it had the straight 6 with a three speed. Itwould certainly not outrun much of anything with a V8 but it sure was fun todrive. I sold it to buy a new prop for my Vtail. "It is more fun to ride a slow motorcyle fast than a fast motorcycle slow." Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet mods- How much is too much?My 65 Mustang was a sportscar. But it had the straight 6 with a three speed. Itwould certainly not outrun much of anything with a V8 but it sure was fun todrive. I sold it to buy a new prop for my Vtail. "It is more fun to ride a slow motorcyle fast than a fast motorcycle slow." Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!Shad,Only 3 people would do that to ya, someone unemployed and against the ropes, a scumbag and a druggie looking for a fast score. If it were dumb kids they would have not been as selective or would have tried to take everything if they couldn't find cash, electronics, jewelry kool stuff or easily converted to cash.These guys, knew the layout, location, your location and easily sold items.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My hanger got robbed the other night!Shad,Only 3 people would do that to ya, someone unemployed and against the ropes, a scumbag and a druggie looking for a fast score. If it were dumb kids they would have not been as selective or would have tried to take everything if they couldn't find cash, electronics, jewelry kool stuff or easily converted to cash.These guys, knew the layout, location, your location and easily sold items.John**************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! ________________________________________________________________________________