Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC> > Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group I> belong to, so what better place to ask?> > With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more ratings,> endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane, is> seated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends the> plane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?> > Thanks!> > Pat> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume Plywood Gussets?
Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC
Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group Ibelong to, so what better place to ask?With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more ratings,endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane, isseated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends theplane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?Thanks!Pat________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:53:11 -0400
Sorry to be so far off topic, but this is perhaps the most diverse group Ibelong to, so what better place to ask?With two qualified pilots on board, one having more hours and more ratings,endorsements, etc, but the more "junior" pilot has control of the plane, isseated in the left seat and paid the rental, loses control and bends theplane, can the senior pilot be held accountable?Thanks!Pat________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:53:11 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: Patrick Panzera
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PICI recall a recent (NTSB?) ruling where they said yes the senior pilot (InstructorI think) was responsibile for and accident where the junior pilot was PIC.They said he had some sort of authority even though he was not instructing andwas not the PIC. Sounds like BS to me, but there it is. Blue Skies,Steve D. ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PICI recall a recent (NTSB?) ruling where they said yes the senior pilot (InstructorI think) was responsibile for and accident where the junior pilot was PIC.They said he had some sort of authority even though he was not instructing andwas not the PIC. Sounds like BS to me, but there it is. Blue Skies,Steve D. ----- Original Message -----
Original Posted By: "Mac Zirges"
[quote="eng(at)canadianrogers.com"]Just be sure to scuff up the gluing side ofthe plywood with some medium (80 grit) sandpaper before gluing - or more wisely,before cutting into little fiddly gussets that are a pain in the butt to sandindividually. > Oh man... that seems so obvious right about now... 1500 gussets later. LOL!--------MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
[quote="eng(at)canadianrogers.com"]Just be sure to scuff up the gluing side ofthe plywood with some medium (80 grit) sandpaper before gluing - or more wisely,before cutting into little fiddly gussets that are a pain in the butt to sandindividually. > Oh man... that seems so obvious right about now... 1500 gussets later. LOL!--------MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Hi Jeff, I will be at Brodhead with My Super B Ford, Injection and all. It wasthere last year but not always visible, South hangers.Frank P has challenged me to a race, he has the Lambert 90 HP 5 cyl that was onmy Piet 2 years ago, since he is 30 pounds lighter he should give me some goododds, and half my age. Just look for the blue Piet with silver wings and Allen'spicture on the side label "Golden Age".Pieti Lowell...I now use fuel injection with great performance 85 HP from a Ford...[/quote][/quote]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
Hi Jeff, I will be at Brodhead with My Super B Ford, Injection and all. It wasthere last year but not always visible, South hangers.Frank P has challenged me to a race, he has the Lambert 90 HP 5 cyl that was onmy Piet 2 years ago, since he is 30 pounds lighter he should give me some goododds, and half my age. Just look for the blue Piet with silver wings and Allen'spicture on the side label "Golden Age".Pieti Lowell...I now use fuel injection with great performance 85 HP from a Ford...[/quote][/quote]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
Personally I'm not as concerned over losing my house and my stuff as I amover losing my PPL. I can always get more stuff.> Who has the more net worth is what the lawyers will know.> I think it makes no difference who PIC is.> Pieti Lowell________________________________________________________________________________
Personally I'm not as concerned over losing my house and my stuff as I amover losing my PPL. I can always get more stuff.> Who has the more net worth is what the lawyers will know.> I think it makes no difference who PIC is.> Pieti Lowell________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: "Patrick Panzera"
Hey Pat,Is there an interesting story here that you'd like to share?Greg C.----- Original Message -----
Hey Pat,Is there an interesting story here that you'd like to share?Greg C.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is?
Original Posted By: "rameses32"
Just the crankshaft length, and heigth from crankshaft center to top of engine.I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, itis 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover.I still havent weighed it yet but two of us lifted it into my van, with manifolds,alternator, flywheel and clutch. I took all of that off and the bits I tookoff weighed 60 lbs. When I got home I managed to put it on the engine standby myself, it was a wrestling match but I can't see it weighing much more than250lbs. It has a steel crankshaft and reaches peak torque at 1800 RPM.CharleyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is?
Just the crankshaft length, and heigth from crankshaft center to top of engine.I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, itis 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover.I still havent weighed it yet but two of us lifted it into my van, with manifolds,alternator, flywheel and clutch. I took all of that off and the bits I tookoff weighed 60 lbs. When I got home I managed to put it on the engine standby myself, it was a wrestling match but I can't see it weighing much more than250lbs. It has a steel crankshaft and reaches peak torque at 1800 RPM.CharleyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can anyone tell me how long a Model A engine is?
Original Posted By: "Patrick Panzera"
Sorry, my mistake, 181ft/lbs torque at 1600 RPM. rameses32 wrote:> Just the crankshaft length, and heigth from crankshaft center to top of engine.I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, itis 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover.> > I still havent weighed it yet but two of us lifted it into my van, with manifolds,alternator, flywheel and clutch. I took all of that off and the bits I tookoff weighed 60 lbs. When I got home I managed to put it on the engine standby myself, it was a wrestling match but I can't see it weighing much more than250lbs. It has a steel crankshaft and reaches peak torque at 1800 RPM.> > CharleyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Sorry, my mistake, 181ft/lbs torque at 1600 RPM. rameses32 wrote:> Just the crankshaft length, and heigth from crankshaft center to top of engine.I just want to compare it to the Holden 186 inline six I picked up today, itis 29" long, and 16" tall from crankshaft center to top of rocker cover.> > I still havent weighed it yet but two of us lifted it into my van, with manifolds,alternator, flywheel and clutch. I took all of that off and the bits I tookoff weighed 60 lbs. When I got home I managed to put it on the engine standby myself, it was a wrestling match but I can't see it weighing much more than250lbs. It has a steel crankshaft and reaches peak torque at 1800 RPM.> > CharleyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: "walt"
> Hey Pat,> > Is there an interesting story here that you'd like to share?No. I just put myself in the first person to protect the innocent. :)Pat________________________________________________________________________________
> Hey Pat,> > Is there an interesting story here that you'd like to share?No. I just put myself in the first person to protect the innocent. :)Pat________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic... PIC
Original Posted By: "Patrick Panzera"
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