Original Posted By: "TWINBOOM"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead datesI've learned that when you change a date of an event to help someone onone hand, you tick off just as many on the other hand. You can neverwin. The new dates have worked great for me, but it requires me to use2weeks of vacation, and I get to Osh. early enough to get a camp sightonly 5 miles from the flight line instead of 8 or 10. This was only thesecond time for the new dates. Air Camper attendance was higher lastyear. Maybe this was just one of those down years.I can also appreciate Ch. 431's concerns. We miss one day of Osh. tocome to Brodhead, They have to miss several to put the event on.When the new dates were first announced, my first thoughts were thatBrodhead might become a hang out for non interested people on their wayto Oshkosh. With that Calif. group, I think it's happening. Word willspread and more people and groups will be showing up. I saw some of themat the Piet dinner. Thats ok if 431 wants to make profit on the dinner,(more people, more cash) but it can push the size to a unmanageablelevel very quickly. I can see it becoming a problem, and Ch. 431throwing in the towel. Who knows. Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Re: Pietenpol-List: Ebay Sale of a Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "John Dilatush"
John, How is your breakin period coming along? Any pics in flight yet?Doug BlackburnDoug/Elizabeth BlackburnArrowBear Lake Ca.Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com----- Original Message -----
John, How is your breakin period coming along? Any pics in flight yet?Doug BlackburnDoug/Elizabeth BlackburnArrowBear Lake Ca.Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Re: Cruise Speed
Original Posted By: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
I am sure it has been on here and I have missed it. What are the dates of thisyear's Brodhead Piet fly-in?Gene.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Re: Cruise SpeedDate: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:58:00 -0400
I am sure it has been on here and I have missed it. What are the dates of thisyear's Brodhead Piet fly-in?Gene.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Re: Cruise SpeedDate: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:58:00 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
July 22, 23 & 24 ----- Original Message -----
July 22, 23 & 24 ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise Speed
Original Posted By: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise SpeedEveryone please be careful when using some of these ground-adjustable props. I lost a good friend in an ultralight accident when his ground adjustable prop came off the back end of his Rans. When the prop departed, it impacted the tail boom which caused the boom to fail. He and his passenger were both killed upon impact. There was nothing they could have done.It turns out that one of the prop bolts had broken, which lead to the rapid failure of the remaining bolts. The bolts provided by the prop manufacturer were NOT AN-grade. Yes, my friend should have known better, but so should a manufacturer. The theory is that after loosening and re-tightening the boltsseveral times to adjust the prop, they evenutally became elongated and weakened.So, please be careful with ground-adjustable props. Be careful with all props for that matter.-Wayne________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise SpeedDate: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:57:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise SpeedEveryone please be careful when using some of these ground-adjustable props. I lost a good friend in an ultralight accident when his ground adjustable prop came off the back end of his Rans. When the prop departed, it impacted the tail boom which caused the boom to fail. He and his passenger were both killed upon impact. There was nothing they could have done.It turns out that one of the prop bolts had broken, which lead to the rapid failure of the remaining bolts. The bolts provided by the prop manufacturer were NOT AN-grade. Yes, my friend should have known better, but so should a manufacturer. The theory is that after loosening and re-tightening the boltsseveral times to adjust the prop, they evenutally became elongated and weakened.So, please be careful with ground-adjustable props. Be careful with all props for that matter.-Wayne________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cruise SpeedDate: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:57:57 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Can someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead this year, I need it quickly to arrange for the days off!Thanks,Gene________________________________________________________________________________
Can someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead this year, I need it quickly to arrange for the days off!Thanks,Gene________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Gene,Brodhead is Friday, July 24 - Sunday, July 26.Jack Phillips _____
Hi Gene,Brodhead is Friday, July 24 - Sunday, July 26.Jack Phillips _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Correction!I believe, this year it is Thursday through Saturday because of the early departure to EAA on Sunday.R. Bukolt NX20795On May 28, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:> Hi Gene,>> Brodhead is Friday, July 24 ' Sunday, July 26.>> Jack Phillips>
Correction!I believe, this year it is Thursday through Saturday because of the early departure to EAA on Sunday.R. Bukolt NX20795On May 28, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:> Hi Gene,>> Brodhead is Friday, July 24 ' Sunday, July 26.>> Jack Phillips>
Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Is Brodhead really ending on the 28th?Seems unusually late this year.________________________________________________________________________________
Is Brodhead really ending on the 28th?Seems unusually late this year.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: "DaveG601XL"
As I recall, the issue with nails backing out related to a wing that had an aluminumleading edge skin, rather than the plywood (or cardboard) shown in the plans.Aluminum cannot be successfully glued to wood, so the only fastening ofthe aluminum is by means of nails. And the leading edge will be subject to flexingand movement, so it is likely that, over a number of years, the nails maybegin to work themselves loose.In an aircraft, the primary method of fastening wood to wood is through the useof gussets and adhesive, and nails can be used to hold the wood in place whilethe glue cures. Nails should not be relied on to provide any structural strength.And, if building with Resorcinol adhesive, tight fitting joints are critical. The glue thickness is only supposed to be .005", so precise woodworking is calledfor. If a builder feels that this sort of precision is outside their abilities,they would be better served by using epoxy, such as T-88, which has somegap filling abilities.bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
As I recall, the issue with nails backing out related to a wing that had an aluminumleading edge skin, rather than the plywood (or cardboard) shown in the plans.Aluminum cannot be successfully glued to wood, so the only fastening ofthe aluminum is by means of nails. And the leading edge will be subject to flexingand movement, so it is likely that, over a number of years, the nails maybegin to work themselves loose.In an aircraft, the primary method of fastening wood to wood is through the useof gussets and adhesive, and nails can be used to hold the wood in place whilethe glue cures. Nails should not be relied on to provide any structural strength.And, if building with Resorcinol adhesive, tight fitting joints are critical. The glue thickness is only supposed to be .005", so precise woodworking is calledfor. If a builder feels that this sort of precision is outside their abilities,they would be better served by using epoxy, such as T-88, which has somegap filling abilities.bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Douwe,Yes, that would be right with Oshkosh starting the next day on the 29th. It isa bit late in my opinion too. I have another national event I have always attendedthe week after Oshkosh, but now they over lap and I can't do both thisyear.See you at Brodhead? If you need anything ground transported from the Cincinnatiarea, just let me know.Dave--------David GallagherZodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours nowNext project under construction: Finish my father's AircamperRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Douwe,Yes, that would be right with Oshkosh starting the next day on the 29th. It isa bit late in my opinion too. I have another national event I have always attendedthe week after Oshkosh, but now they over lap and I can't do both thisyear.See you at Brodhead? If you need anything ground transported from the Cincinnatiarea, just let me know.Dave--------David GallagherZodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours nowNext project under construction: Finish my father's AircamperRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Oshkosh typically opens on a Monday, between July 23 and 29.This year it falls at the tail end of the "spectrum".Last year it was at the early end.I believe the EAA sets the dates for Airventure according the dates set for theBrodhead Pietenpol Fly-in.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oshkosh typically opens on a Monday, between July 23 and 29.This year it falls at the tail end of the "spectrum".Last year it was at the early end.I believe the EAA sets the dates for Airventure according the dates set for theBrodhead Pietenpol Fly-in.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: pulling nails...
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Thanks,That is good information. My plane will be well sealed and always in a very dryhangar. At my age, I may never see those little buggers raise their ugly heads.The brads I am using are supposed to have one kind of heat sensitive adhesivethat is supposed to prevent them from coming out. They are a bitch to remove!Thanks again ,Ray Krause SkyScout in progress!Sent from my iPadOn May 6, 2013, at 11:37 PM, "tools" wrote:> > They can, as the wood expands and contracts it tends to back nails out. > > One thing that helps is to drive nails slowly. That tends to bend wood fibersover so they tend to hold the nail. Driven quickly (especially like a pneumaticdriven nail), the fibers break, so the nail has less pull out resistance.> > Driving a nail into the face of "vertical grain", or quarter sawn will help,as wood is more dimensionally stable that way than plain sawn. > > The more well sealed the wood, the less it will expand and contract, so thathelps.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 101#400101> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks,That is good information. My plane will be well sealed and always in a very dryhangar. At my age, I may never see those little buggers raise their ugly heads.The brads I am using are supposed to have one kind of heat sensitive adhesivethat is supposed to prevent them from coming out. They are a bitch to remove!Thanks again ,Ray Krause SkyScout in progress!Sent from my iPadOn May 6, 2013, at 11:37 PM, "tools" wrote:> > They can, as the wood expands and contracts it tends to back nails out. > > One thing that helps is to drive nails slowly. That tends to bend wood fibersover so they tend to hold the nail. Driven quickly (especially like a pneumaticdriven nail), the fibers break, so the nail has less pull out resistance.> > Driving a nail into the face of "vertical grain", or quarter sawn will help,as wood is more dimensionally stable that way than plain sawn. > > The more well sealed the wood, the less it will expand and contract, so thathelps.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 101#400101> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: pulling nails...
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Thanks, Bill. I agree with everything you say. I used T-88 and am not relyingon the nails for any added strength. The brads are just used to secure the gussetsand structure for drying. It is just too damn hard to remove them. If someof them work out on my plane, the lesson will be learned.Thanks to everyone,Ray KrauseSkyScoutPS: I will not be attending the Fraiser Lake FLYIN this year. My granddaughteris having her high school graduation party for the family that day, 11AM to 1PM!We also have the Sonex flyin the same day. Will many of the piets be stayingover untll Sunday? I could fly down Sunday.Sent from my iPadOn May 7, 2013, at 6:05 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > As I recall, the issue with nails backing out related to a wing that had an aluminumleading edge skin, rather than the plywood (or cardboard) shown in theplans. Aluminum cannot be successfully glued to wood, so the only fasteningof the aluminum is by means of nails. And the leading edge will be subject toflexing and movement, so it is likely that, over a number of years, the nailsmay begin to work themselves loose.> In an aircraft, the primary method of fastening wood to wood is through the useof gussets and adhesive, and nails can be used to hold the wood in place whilethe glue cures. Nails should not be relied on to provide any structural strength.> And, if building with Resorcinol adhesive, tight fitting joints are critical.The glue thickness is only supposed to be .005", so precise woodworking is calledfor. If a builder feels that this sort of precision is outside their abilities,they would be better served by using epoxy, such as T-88, which has somegap filling abilities.> > bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 106#400106> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks, Bill. I agree with everything you say. I used T-88 and am not relyingon the nails for any added strength. The brads are just used to secure the gussetsand structure for drying. It is just too damn hard to remove them. If someof them work out on my plane, the lesson will be learned.Thanks to everyone,Ray KrauseSkyScoutPS: I will not be attending the Fraiser Lake FLYIN this year. My granddaughteris having her high school graduation party for the family that day, 11AM to 1PM!We also have the Sonex flyin the same day. Will many of the piets be stayingover untll Sunday? I could fly down Sunday.Sent from my iPadOn May 7, 2013, at 6:05 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > As I recall, the issue with nails backing out related to a wing that had an aluminumleading edge skin, rather than the plywood (or cardboard) shown in theplans. Aluminum cannot be successfully glued to wood, so the only fasteningof the aluminum is by means of nails. And the leading edge will be subject toflexing and movement, so it is likely that, over a number of years, the nailsmay begin to work themselves loose.> In an aircraft, the primary method of fastening wood to wood is through the useof gussets and adhesive, and nails can be used to hold the wood in place whilethe glue cures. Nails should not be relied on to provide any structural strength.> And, if building with Resorcinol adhesive, tight fitting joints are critical.The glue thickness is only supposed to be .005", so precise woodworking is calledfor. If a builder feels that this sort of precision is outside their abilities,they would be better served by using epoxy, such as T-88, which has somegap filling abilities.> > bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 106#400106> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Production
Original Posted By: Jack
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib ProductionCorky dreaming about wing ribs________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Production
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib ProductionCorky dreaming about wing ribs________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Production
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Production
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Judging by that cartoon, I=99d say there=99s nothing wrong with Corky=99s sense of humor, at least!Gary BootheNX308MB
Judging by that cartoon, I=99d say there=99s nothing wrong with Corky=99s sense of humor, at least!Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Original Posted By: "Mild Bill"
Douwe,I have insurance through SAU. They specialize in homebuilts among other uniqueflying machines. I have an included amount for passenger liability. With lawsuitsthe way they are now though it probably is not possible to carry "enough"insurance. So you just get the amount named in your policy for passengersthen go have fun and don't worry about it! At least that's my Risk Managementstrategy. If I couldn't carry passengers I wouldn't fly. :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Douwe,I have insurance through SAU. They specialize in homebuilts among other uniqueflying machines. I have an included amount for passenger liability. With lawsuitsthe way they are now though it probably is not possible to carry "enough"insurance. So you just get the amount named in your policy for passengersthen go have fun and don't worry about it! At least that's my Risk Managementstrategy. If I couldn't carry passengers I wouldn't fly. :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead dates
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars
Original Posted By: "Mild Bill"
Here's a Hitler bunker scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvWQ2UmVRQ Warning: This parody contains occasional profanity, so best to avoid if you thinkyou might be offended. Poor Adolf, don'tcha know, is having a hard time getting his on-line orders forpipe tobacco filled. For those not acquainted with the fine pastime of pipe smoking,all but one of the pipe tobacco blends mentioned in the subtitles arehighly sought after. The exception is Mixture 79, a heavily scented blend thatis hated, loathed, despised, and reviled by most (though not all) pipe connoisseurs.You'll appreciate the explanation when you encounter the references.The scene was lifted from the movie "Downfall" which depicts the last few days in Hitler's bunker. One of the best war movies ever made. Check out the trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp1RXmM1-60--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars
Here's a Hitler bunker scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvWQ2UmVRQ Warning: This parody contains occasional profanity, so best to avoid if you thinkyou might be offended. Poor Adolf, don'tcha know, is having a hard time getting his on-line orders forpipe tobacco filled. For those not acquainted with the fine pastime of pipe smoking,all but one of the pipe tobacco blends mentioned in the subtitles arehighly sought after. The exception is Mixture 79, a heavily scented blend thatis hated, loathed, despised, and reviled by most (though not all) pipe connoisseurs.You'll appreciate the explanation when you encounter the references.The scene was lifted from the movie "Downfall" which depicts the last few days in Hitler's bunker. One of the best war movies ever made. Check out the trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp1RXmM1-60--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars
Original Posted By: "tools"
tools wrote:> The issue that comes into play is whether you can get the pin in from the top,which is the general preference as it cannot fall out as easily. > > I have a few spots where it HAS to go in from the bottom for clearance reasons.A little longer is better. For all flying purposes, these are in tension,so the little longer cantilever isn't a big deal.You've got me scratching my head in puzzlement here, tools. When the wings areassembled to the lift struts, the pins that go through the fittings are alignedessentially horizontally, so there doesn't seem to be an issue of getting thepin in from the top or bottom.However, apropos of pins or bolts going in from the top or bottom, it turned outthat on one occasion the nerd engineers knew what they were doing and the wiseold mechanic on the assembly line didn't. The latter just knew that the formerhad made an obvious mistake on the drawings. Doesn't everybody know that boltsare installed head up so they won't fall out if the nuts should happen towork free? So he ignored the drawings and installed bots head up in the assemblyof aileron cylinders on the North American F-86 assembly line.The result? A number of F-86 crashes due to locked up ailerons. Chuck Yeager made the discovery after a hair-raising, death-defying near crash: http://characterqualitystories.com/cqs/ ... ------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars
tools wrote:> The issue that comes into play is whether you can get the pin in from the top,which is the general preference as it cannot fall out as easily. > > I have a few spots where it HAS to go in from the bottom for clearance reasons.A little longer is better. For all flying purposes, these are in tension,so the little longer cantilever isn't a big deal.You've got me scratching my head in puzzlement here, tools. When the wings areassembled to the lift struts, the pins that go through the fittings are alignedessentially horizontally, so there doesn't seem to be an issue of getting thepin in from the top or bottom.However, apropos of pins or bolts going in from the top or bottom, it turned outthat on one occasion the nerd engineers knew what they were doing and the wiseold mechanic on the assembly line didn't. The latter just knew that the formerhad made an obvious mistake on the drawings. Doesn't everybody know that boltsare installed head up so they won't fall out if the nuts should happen towork free? So he ignored the drawings and installed bots head up in the assemblyof aileron cylinders on the North American F-86 assembly line.The result? A number of F-86 crashes due to locked up ailerons. Chuck Yeager made the discovery after a hair-raising, death-defying near crash: http://characterqualitystories.com/cqs/ ... ------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars
Original Posted By: Andre Abreu
Nope, you're right. Those pics didn't load for me when I first read it. On thebottom is where you run into that issue, also on a few fittings on the tailfeathers.There is much discussion on lengthening those fittings a bit for that reason.In this case, there still is the issue of getting a wrench onto nuts, or room forwashers, etc, where it being a bit longer helps with assembly quite a bit.Also for where you leave the holes a bit small, then ream everything to sizewhen you assemble, and there isn't enough room to allow the drill to run the reamercorrectly.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT)
Nope, you're right. Those pics didn't load for me when I first read it. On thebottom is where you run into that issue, also on a few fittings on the tailfeathers.There is much discussion on lengthening those fittings a bit for that reason.In this case, there still is the issue of getting a wrench onto nuts, or room forwashers, etc, where it being a bit longer helps with assembly quite a bit.Also for where you leave the holes a bit small, then ream everything to sizewhen you assemble, and there isn't enough room to allow the drill to run the reamercorrectly.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT)