I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking itapart and putting it back together a number of timesI finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2".It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit asthis is what the seat back is attached to and it is alsoan integral part of the airframe that holds it square.Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises Iwish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentionedis just how close your nose is to the instrument panel.Seven years down the road my eyes could use thatextra inch. :-)Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixtysix year old body!An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don'tknow the relative proportions but I don't think there'sas much of your mass in your head as you think. Unlessyou get called "Fathead" a lot
Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: "rameses32"
I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking itapart and putting it back together a number of timesI finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2".It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit asthis is what the seat back is attached to and it is alsoan integral part of the airframe that holds it square.Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises Iwish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentionedis just how close your nose is to the instrument panel.Seven years down the road my eyes could use thatextra inch. :-)Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixtysix year old body!An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don'tknow the relative proportions but I don't think there'sas much of your mass in your head as you think. Unlessyou get called "Fathead" a lot
, which, by the way,since the brain is mostly fat, is a true compliment.I've also raised both the cowling and turtle deck 2".Since I'm 5'8" this means that bringing the shoulderharness out 1/4" under the top of the deck makes areasonable angle that won't compress my spine shouldI whack something nose first.If your worried that you may sit too low, well, that'swhat cushions are for. You can always add more ofthe things but the reverse only goes so far. Right?I'm not so sure sitting on that double pulley wouldbe much fun after the first couple of rotations though :-)You can also move the rudder bar forward too. Thiswould give you a teeny bit more foreward CG.Remember, those legs are heavy!One way to tell your most comfortable back angle isto look at the seat in your car. What angle do you havethat set at? Also move the seat foreward to what youthink is equivalent to your position in the Piet andgo for a Sunday drive. Maybe even put a board up theseatback. won't take long before your body startstelling you things. I'm not sure I'd wear my helmet andgoggles though. :-)Clif, Firewall and engine mount done.No bird soars too highIf he soars on his own wings- - - - - - - - - - - - - ---William BlakeSubject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angleca>> And did you change the truss sides to suit the new angle? I think that moving the top edge rearward makes the most sense, room-wise, since it would not impact on the available leg room (which is important for me) - However, it would shift the CG of the pilot rearward a bit, which is not a good thing..> Bill C.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
I made my Mockpit in August 2002. After taking itapart and putting it back together a number of timesI finaly settled on angling the seat back at the top 2".It only makes sense to angle the side braces to fit asthis is what the seat back is attached to and it is alsoan integral part of the airframe that holds it square.Now, after sitting in it a lot making engine noises Iwish I'd done 3". One thing that hasn't been mentionedis just how close your nose is to the instrument panel.Seven years down the road my eyes could use thatextra inch. :-)Sometimes it really sucks being fourteen in a sixtysix year old body!An awful lot of your mass is in your legs. I don'tknow the relative proportions but I don't think there'sas much of your mass in your head as you think. Unlessyou get called "Fathead" a lot
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels, and I amjust wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be running an engineapproximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making my own hubs and spokes,I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels instead.?CharleyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels, and I amjust wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll be running an engineapproximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making my own hubs and spokes,I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheels instead.?CharleyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Charley,I haven't heard of anyone using 18" wheels, but that means nothing. I have21 x 3's on mine. Mike Cuy is running 19" wheels on his.The only problem I could see with the smaller wheels is that you might haveless ground clearance for your prop. Also the prop will be at a lowerposition, making it more difficult to hand prop.You'll likely have a shallower deck angle, meaning the wing won't be fullystalled in the 3 point position, but that is probably a good thing. Minehas a 13 degree deck angle, which means I have to flare it almost perfectly, 1" above the runway to get a perfect landing. Once that wing stalls, itabsolutely stops flying. For that reason, I generally try to wheel landmine, if carrying passengers.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Hi Charley,I haven't heard of anyone using 18" wheels, but that means nothing. I have21 x 3's on mine. Mike Cuy is running 19" wheels on his.The only problem I could see with the smaller wheels is that you might haveless ground clearance for your prop. Also the prop will be at a lowerposition, making it more difficult to hand prop.You'll likely have a shallower deck angle, meaning the wing won't be fullystalled in the 3 point position, but that is probably a good thing. Minehas a 13 degree deck angle, which means I have to flare it almost perfectly, 1" above the runway to get a perfect landing. Once that wing stalls, itabsolutely stops flying. For that reason, I generally try to wheel landmine, if carrying passengers.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Greg,I'm planning to be there.Jack Phillips, NX899JPRaleigh, NCBTW, I have a radio in mine and can be a flight leader for the flight intoOSH _____
Hi Greg,I'm planning to be there.Jack Phillips, NX899JPRaleigh, NCBTW, I have a radio in mine and can be a flight leader for the flight intoOSH _____
Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
RE: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary Fly-in
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
Thanks to all for the helpful advice.Pretty much what I had thought before posting my question, but good to get helpfuland entertaining confirmation.I think will leave the seat bottom where it is, and experiment with tilting back1", 2", 3" etc till I find what works for me. I think that Jack's 20/20 hindsightwill help me, even if it's too late for Jack. And, now that I think aboutit, if one's feet stay put, and the related butt moves forward, the legs willnecessarily bend more, which will, in turn, change the angle between one's legsand back, which makes the modification less effective.As for Chris's comment about the weight of head and shoulders, I'll have to weighmine to see how heavy they are. I guess if I use the small bottle, it shouldweigh less (refer to attached image for visual aid for this weak attempt athumor). Tilting the seat back slightly probably has less effect on W&B than Iwas thinking. As for my particular head, it's hard to say, because I've beenaccused of having a head that's empty (which would be quite light) and also ofhaving a head that's made of rock (which would be quite heavy). And then there'sClif's comment about being a Fathead (which I'm relieved to hear is actuallya compliment).Based on my mockpit, I had already decided to increase the depth of my fuselage,and raising the height of the turtledeck seems to be a pretty common modificationwhich allows for better ergonomics, especially as related to shoulder strapinstallation. I built my mockpit "to the plans", with the idea that I canadd to, or take away as I see fit, but still be able to tell if the original designworks for me.I would have liked to be a fly on the wall watching Ryan, measuring the seat angleof the church pews. And finally, adjusting the truss structure of the fuselage sides to match the seatbackjust makes sense. Just wondered if everyone did it or not.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/head ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Thanks to all for the helpful advice.Pretty much what I had thought before posting my question, but good to get helpfuland entertaining confirmation.I think will leave the seat bottom where it is, and experiment with tilting back1", 2", 3" etc till I find what works for me. I think that Jack's 20/20 hindsightwill help me, even if it's too late for Jack. And, now that I think aboutit, if one's feet stay put, and the related butt moves forward, the legs willnecessarily bend more, which will, in turn, change the angle between one's legsand back, which makes the modification less effective.As for Chris's comment about the weight of head and shoulders, I'll have to weighmine to see how heavy they are. I guess if I use the small bottle, it shouldweigh less (refer to attached image for visual aid for this weak attempt athumor). Tilting the seat back slightly probably has less effect on W&B than Iwas thinking. As for my particular head, it's hard to say, because I've beenaccused of having a head that's empty (which would be quite light) and also ofhaving a head that's made of rock (which would be quite heavy). And then there'sClif's comment about being a Fathead (which I'm relieved to hear is actuallya compliment).Based on my mockpit, I had already decided to increase the depth of my fuselage,and raising the height of the turtledeck seems to be a pretty common modificationwhich allows for better ergonomics, especially as related to shoulder strapinstallation. I built my mockpit "to the plans", with the idea that I canadd to, or take away as I see fit, but still be able to tell if the original designworks for me.I would have liked to be a fly on the wall watching Ryan, measuring the seat angleof the church pews. And finally, adjusting the truss structure of the fuselage sides to match the seatbackjust makes sense. Just wondered if everyone did it or not.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/head ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
RE: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By:> rameses32
Charley, The 18 is fine, the 1.5 seems a little small, mine are 3" anddon't think I would want them any smaller.Skip> [Original Message]
Charley, The 18 is fine, the 1.5 seems a little small, mine are 3" anddon't think I would want them any smaller.Skip> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: "rameses32"
charley,I'm using 18" wheels.Remember that's the rim size. When you add the rubber they'll be about 24/25" OD. Can't imagine using 21" rims,,,the tires would be about 28" OD!!walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
charley,I'm using 18" wheels.Remember that's the rim size. When you add the rubber they'll be about 24/25" OD. Can't imagine using 21" rims,,,the tires would be about 28" OD!!walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back angle
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
The 1932 F&G "original" plans call for a 27" tire. Back then the callout was theOD of the tire not rim size.I am running 21" rims with 3" tires. 21" + 3" + 3" = 27".--------PAPA MIKERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:28:33 -0400
The 1932 F&G "original" plans call for a 27" tire. Back then the callout was theOD of the tire not rim size.I am running 21" rims with 3" tires. 21" + 3" + 3" = 27".--------PAPA MIKERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:28:33 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?Frank Pavliga used to have 18" wheels on his until he saw a few of us using tallerwheelsand then ditched them for larger diameters but his 18's worked fine for years andyears. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?Frank Pavliga used to have 18" wheels on his until he saw a few of us using tallerwheelsand then ditched them for larger diameters but his 18's worked fine for years andyears. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: "rameses32"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop suggestionsAs it works out I am still able to work on my project, so I am doing the ADD thing working on the airframe and the engine at the same time. The good new being I have a consultant mentoring me, he's an A&P, A I with 30 years in the field. He has a selection of props available which may work.My question is: what is the best combination of length and pitch for the Piet powered with a 108 hp lycoming. I am looking for one something that is pitched for rate of climb rather than cruise performance. Based upon experience I am looking for suggestions on a prop selection.Please adviseThanksJohn**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will 18" Wheels work?
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop suggestionsAs it works out I am still able to work on my project, so I am doing the ADD thing working on the airframe and the engine at the same time. The good new being I have a consultant mentoring me, he's an A&P, A I with 30 years in the field. He has a selection of props available which may work.My question is: what is the best combination of length and pitch for the Piet powered with a 108 hp lycoming. I am looking for one something that is pitched for rate of climb rather than cruise performance. Based upon experience I am looking for suggestions on a prop selection.Please adviseThanksJohn**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Just measured with tyres, they are 2 3/4" wide and 23" tall.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:36:09 -0500
Just measured with tyres, they are 2 3/4" wide and 23" tall.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:36:09 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
That is correct, Jeff.On NX18235 we are using 19 x 1.85 rims. 3.50 tires are mounted on these rims.Greg C.----- Original Message -----
That is correct, Jeff.On NX18235 we are using 19 x 1.85 rims. 3.50 tires are mounted on these rims.Greg C.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: My Pietenpol build is just beginning
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Thanks guys. All I really ask of the brakes is to hold for a mag check and to unlockthe tail wheel. The waterjet work will not cost a cent. My youngest son (44) does that as wellas machining. His boss is very understanding when it comes to personal projects.We have small shear and brake, 18 inch lathe and a vertical mill in our shop.Jerry DotsonBaker,Fl (near Pensacola)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks guys. All I really ask of the brakes is to hold for a mag check and to unlockthe tail wheel. The waterjet work will not cost a cent. My youngest son (44) does that as wellas machining. His boss is very understanding when it comes to personal projects.We have small shear and brake, 18 inch lathe and a vertical mill in our shop.Jerry DotsonBaker,Fl (near Pensacola)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?
Original Posted By: "walt"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?>>> I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels,and I am just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll berunning an engine approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making myown hubs and spokes, I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheelsinstead.?> Charley>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Will 18" Wheels work?>>> I have a matching set of 18" motorcycle wheels, they are 18x1.5 wheels,and I am just wondering if they are too small for a pietenpol. I'll berunning an engine approximately the same weight as a Model A. I'm making myown hubs and spokes, I am just wondering if I need to use 21x3 wheelsinstead.?> Charley>>________________________________________________________________________________