Original Posted By: Ameet Savant
jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com wrote:> Ameet,> > I believe those are the old plans; I have a set of them and there are Sheets 1-15 plus a Sheet "A" and Sheet "B".- You would probably be better off with the new ones although they themselves are rife with errors.- The old plans are B-size drawings and the new ones are D or E...> > Regards,> John> > --Could someone tell me about the drawing sizes? I am not familiar with "B" size; "D" size and such. ThanksWillRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 7#249647le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionMaybe the answer to this question is just too obvious, but I have to ask..Are the $20 rib plans enough to build the ribs? I was curious because withthe Mustang II I am currently working on, often I consult several pages of the plans to see not only how something is built, but how that something plays along with other components to get the "full" picture. I am really interested in a light sport type plane, and love the nostalgic looks of the Pietenpol. I'm also considering the VP and Flybaby. The two seats of the Pietare appealing, and it seems to have a excellent safety record. So, I'm thinking, on those days I can't bring myself to brave the cold or heat and workon the Mustang, I could build ribs while watching the game inside the house?!Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:51:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionMaybe the answer to this question is just too obvious, but I have to ask..Are the $20 rib plans enough to build the ribs? I was curious because withthe Mustang II I am currently working on, often I consult several pages of the plans to see not only how something is built, but how that something plays along with other components to get the "full" picture. I am really interested in a light sport type plane, and love the nostalgic looks of the Pietenpol. I'm also considering the VP and Flybaby. The two seats of the Pietare appealing, and it seems to have a excellent safety record. So, I'm thinking, on those days I can't bring myself to brave the cold or heat and workon the Mustang, I could build ribs while watching the game inside the house?!Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:51:09 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionI have a shop, but is occupied by the Mustang II project at the moment. I basically wanted to try my hand at building with wood without spending a grand to find out I am terrible with it. I have done the usual small wood projects, but don't have many wood working tools. Just the usual circular saw,jig saw, etc. No table saw, or band saw yet. So, I was hoping to buy just the rib plan, and later I can buy the rest if I follow through with the build. Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:39:18 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionI have a shop, but is occupied by the Mustang II project at the moment. I basically wanted to try my hand at building with wood without spending a grand to find out I am terrible with it. I have done the usual small wood projects, but don't have many wood working tools. Just the usual circular saw,jig saw, etc. No table saw, or band saw yet. So, I was hoping to buy just the rib plan, and later I can buy the rest if I follow through with the build. Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:39:18 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 plans sheet count
RE: Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawingsMy resource for CAD drawings of all hardware has dried up. Does anyone have a good set of CAD drawings for hardware they would be willing to share?Please get in contact with me off list to discuss.ThanksJohn**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionDate: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:03:31 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD drawingsMy resource for CAD drawings of all hardware has dried up. Does anyone have a good set of CAD drawings for hardware they would be willing to share?Please get in contact with me off list to discuss.ThanksJohn**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionDate: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:03:31 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionnow that sounds like a good idea! Thanks!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:53:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionnow that sounds like a good idea! Thanks!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:53:14 -0400
Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in> > Hello Guys, Just to let you Ohio area guys, Wynkoop airport is > closed per NOTAM untill sunday for the wacos. I flew over there > tonight and would have got in trouble had I not talked to Brian > Wynkoop (Airport owner)at our last EAA meeting. The "Airboss" > promply told me the airport was closed and if the feds were there > I could get a citation/ violation. All was smoothed out after I > told him Brian said it was OK. They had about 15 Wacos there > already, and expect 70+ by friday. I was also able to give a > local airport kid a ride. He was brought there by his Grand dad > to voulenteerand help out with the fly-in. As I was walking by, > his Grand dad said "see if he will give you a ride for a few bucks > for gas". I heard the kid say, "no, he probably has to go". I > turned around and said "get in I got time, I was just like you > once, except I never did get a ride untill I started taking flying > lessons at 18". The young man (12-14 yrs old) had> a blast, and promply thanked me after we landed and shook my > hand. I hope that seed grows, now that it is planted. It is > refreshing to see some kids are not punks, and are polite > generous,respectful, and not sitting on there butts playing vidio > games. I hope to give a million more rides to kids like him, so > our hobby, passion does not die with us. By the way, if any of > you want to go to the Waco fly-in this weekend, simply fly to Knox > County Airport, which is 3 miles south of Wynkoop, they are > running shuttles all day on saturday, and if you are planning on > going let me know, you might be able to fly in to OH71 and put > your piet in my hanger and drive over with me. > > Shad> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in> > Hello Guys, Just to let you Ohio area guys, Wynkoop airport is > closed per NOTAM untill sunday for the wacos. I flew over there > tonight and would have got in trouble had I not talked to Brian > Wynkoop (Airport owner)at our last EAA meeting. The "Airboss" > promply told me the airport was closed and if the feds were there > I could get a citation/ violation. All was smoothed out after I > told him Brian said it was OK. They had about 15 Wacos there > already, and expect 70+ by friday. I was also able to give a > local airport kid a ride. He was brought there by his Grand dad > to voulenteerand help out with the fly-in. As I was walking by, > his Grand dad said "see if he will give you a ride for a few bucks > for gas". I heard the kid say, "no, he probably has to go". I > turned around and said "get in I got time, I was just like you > once, except I never did get a ride untill I started taking flying > lessons at 18". The young man (12-14 yrs old) had> a blast, and promply thanked me after we landed and shook my > hand. I hope that seed grows, now that it is planted. It is > refreshing to see some kids are not punks, and are polite > generous,respectful, and not sitting on there butts playing vidio > games. I hope to give a million more rides to kids like him, so > our hobby, passion does not die with us. By the way, if any of > you want to go to the Waco fly-in this weekend, simply fly to Knox > County Airport, which is 3 miles south of Wynkoop, they are > running shuttles all day on saturday, and if you are planning on > going let me know, you might be able to fly in to OH71 and put > your piet in my hanger and drive over with me. > > Shad> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: r.r.hall(at)cox.net
Depends on your wood: plank lumber you'll need to rip and miterPrecut strips you need miterCurves and shapes scroll or band sawIf you're any good at cutting straight then a plane ole hand saw will do the jobMe I got a compound miter, table saw, scroll saw hand saw, coping saw, hole sawtwo saber saws, skill saw and still have trouble. But then I know my skill vsfrustration level. And if frustration prevails there is always the trusty chainsaw. Not one answer question as no one knows your skill level your wood choices, timetable and level of frustration you can take. John ------Original Message------
Depends on your wood: plank lumber you'll need to rip and miterPrecut strips you need miterCurves and shapes scroll or band sawIf you're any good at cutting straight then a plane ole hand saw will do the jobMe I got a compound miter, table saw, scroll saw hand saw, coping saw, hole sawtwo saber saws, skill saw and still have trouble. But then I know my skill vsfrustration level. And if frustration prevails there is always the trusty chainsaw. Not one answer question as no one knows your skill level your wood choices, timetable and level of frustration you can take. John ------Original Message------
Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: John Fay
I am a new builder, but I am fortunate to have band, table, compound miter, andhand saws. I have used all so far in my project and I'm just working on thewings. I'm sure that I could get by with just one, but each have their advantages,of course. The compound miter is super duper. It does an equally nicejob on 2x6 lumber down to 1/4" capstrip. Get a high tooth count blade and thecuts will be real clean. I also like the band saw... I use it a lot too, andI'm sure it will be great when it comes to metal fab. Another more experienced builder told me recently that the compound miter is themost useful in his opinion. By far the most useful power tool so far for me has been the combo belt/disk sander.It has been a great tool for precisely shaping wing rib parts and gussets.I could handle cutting a lot of parts by hand, but the sander does a realnice (quick) job where mass production of matched parts is concerned. In fact,I'm not sure how well I would have done without it. If you don't have oneof these, or know where to get a used one, I would recommend the $109 Ryobi modelat Home Depot. Just throwing that out there.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:18:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
I am a new builder, but I am fortunate to have band, table, compound miter, andhand saws. I have used all so far in my project and I'm just working on thewings. I'm sure that I could get by with just one, but each have their advantages,of course. The compound miter is super duper. It does an equally nicejob on 2x6 lumber down to 1/4" capstrip. Get a high tooth count blade and thecuts will be real clean. I also like the band saw... I use it a lot too, andI'm sure it will be great when it comes to metal fab. Another more experienced builder told me recently that the compound miter is themost useful in his opinion. By far the most useful power tool so far for me has been the combo belt/disk sander.It has been a great tool for precisely shaping wing rib parts and gussets.I could handle cutting a lot of parts by hand, but the sander does a realnice (quick) job where mass production of matched parts is concerned. In fact,I'm not sure how well I would have done without it. If you don't have oneof these, or know where to get a used one, I would recommend the $109 Ryobi modelat Home Depot. Just throwing that out there.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:18:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: John Fay
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I've bought rough-sawn boards, and ripped all my own sticks. The tablesaw has alwaysbeen the most often used, and most useful tool in my workshop. I would findit difficult to do most woodworking jobs without it. I consider it the heartof my workshop. A good thin-kerf ripping blade and a featherboard are all youreally need to rip your own wood from rough-sawn lumber. A thickness planeris handy, but not necessary. I own a compound mitersaw, and have not used ityet on this project. My combination belt/disc sander is the second-most used toolin my shop (mostly the disc part). VERY handy for this project. A bandsawwould be a very useful tool to have (although I do not own one) particularly whenit cones time to cut some metal parts.If you intend to buy your stock pre-dimensioned, as opposed to cutting from roughboards, you could probably get away with a regular hand saw and the disc sanderfor a LOT of the cutting. The 1/16" plywood gussets can be cut with shears,but the 1/8" gussets for the tail and fuselage will need to be sawn, and theol' tablesaw will be your best friend once again. You can't cut up a sheet ofplywood with a mitersaw. You could use a circular saw (yuck) or a handsaw (yuckagain) or possibly the bandsaw, but the tablesaw is the way to go. I'm usinga 35-year-old basic 9" tablesaw that was handed down to me from my father -you likely can pick up one for less than $200.There's no simple answer to your question. One tool is not going to do it all.But if I was to get a first tool, it would be a tablesaw. And you're likely goingto get better value if you buy an older, used tablesaw than if you get a new,low-end saw. My general rule of thumb with tools is, if you get a tool forcheap, you get a cheap tool. Usually the only way to get a quality tool for alow price is by buying a used tool.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood questionDate: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:29:54 -0400
I've bought rough-sawn boards, and ripped all my own sticks. The tablesaw has alwaysbeen the most often used, and most useful tool in my workshop. I would findit difficult to do most woodworking jobs without it. I consider it the heartof my workshop. A good thin-kerf ripping blade and a featherboard are all youreally need to rip your own wood from rough-sawn lumber. A thickness planeris handy, but not necessary. I own a compound mitersaw, and have not used ityet on this project. My combination belt/disc sander is the second-most used toolin my shop (mostly the disc part). VERY handy for this project. A bandsawwould be a very useful tool to have (although I do not own one) particularly whenit cones time to cut some metal parts.If you intend to buy your stock pre-dimensioned, as opposed to cutting from roughboards, you could probably get away with a regular hand saw and the disc sanderfor a LOT of the cutting. The 1/16" plywood gussets can be cut with shears,but the 1/8" gussets for the tail and fuselage will need to be sawn, and theol' tablesaw will be your best friend once again. You can't cut up a sheet ofplywood with a mitersaw. You could use a circular saw (yuck) or a handsaw (yuckagain) or possibly the bandsaw, but the tablesaw is the way to go. I'm usinga 35-year-old basic 9" tablesaw that was handed down to me from my father -you likely can pick up one for less than $200.There's no simple answer to your question. One tool is not going to do it all.But if I was to get a first tool, it would be a tablesaw. And you're likely goingto get better value if you buy an older, used tablesaw than if you get a new,low-end saw. My general rule of thumb with tools is, if you get a tool forcheap, you get a cheap tool. Usually the only way to get a quality tool for alow price is by buying a used tool.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood questionDate: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:29:54 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: "Paul N. Peckham"
ven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>You got me all excited. Based on the subject line I was going to go to Waco, Texas for a fly-in. Please be more accurate with your Subject!!! ;-PTexas is a lot like the state you live in. Only BIGGER and BETTER!Steve D.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
ven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>You got me all excited. Based on the subject line I was going to go to Waco, Texas for a fly-in. Please be more accurate with your Subject!!! ;-PTexas is a lot like the state you live in. Only BIGGER and BETTER!Steve D.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
>You got me all excited. Based on the subject line I was going to go to Waco,Texas for a fly-in. Please be more accurate with your Subject!!! ;-PTexas is a lot like the state you live in. Only BIGGER and BETTER!Steve D.________________________________________________________________________________
>You got me all excited. Based on the subject line I was going to go to Waco,Texas for a fly-in. Please be more accurate with your Subject!!! ;-PTexas is a lot like the state you live in. Only BIGGER and BETTER!Steve D.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: Ameet Savant
Pietenpol-List: Re: passing along the passion for open cockpit flying
Original Posted By: "899PM"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passing along the passion for open cockpit flying It is refreshing to see>some kids are not punks, and are polite generous,respectful, and not>sitting on there butts playing vidio games. I hope to give a million>more rides to kids like him, so our hobby, passion does not die with>usWell said Shad-- I second everything you posted. At our EAA pancake breakfast/Young Eagle event last Saturday I pulled the plane out and let kids sit in thepilot seat and move the controls around. One little girl absolutely was fascinatedwith her time in the seat and hands at the controls and didn't hardly want to getout--but I was in no hurry and told the mom there was no rush. You never knowwhatthat one experience might do to plant a lifetime of aviation in another's blood.I've heard about kids I gave rides to back in the 90's who are airline pilots now.THAT makes me feel good. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passing along the passion for open cockpit flying
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passing along the passion for open cockpit flying It is refreshing to see>some kids are not punks, and are polite generous,respectful, and not>sitting on there butts playing vidio games. I hope to give a million>more rides to kids like him, so our hobby, passion does not die with>usWell said Shad-- I second everything you posted. At our EAA pancake breakfast/Young Eagle event last Saturday I pulled the plane out and let kids sit in thepilot seat and move the controls around. One little girl absolutely was fascinatedwith her time in the seat and hands at the controls and didn't hardly want to getout--but I was in no hurry and told the mom there was no rush. You never knowwhatthat one experience might do to plant a lifetime of aviation in another's blood.I've heard about kids I gave rides to back in the 90's who are airline pilots now.THAT makes me feel good. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passing along the passion for open cockpit flying
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
I flew the Cub into the Palmyra(88C) Fathers Day Fly-In. Every time I noticed kidsand parents around the Cub I walked over and asked the parents if it wereOK to allow the kids to sit in the plane. Just the look on the kids faces wasenough for me. I explained the stick and associated control surfaces and had themmove the stick while looking back. Eyes got big when they realized they were"flying". One small girl about 7 years old all but refused to get out. I knowseveral of those kids thought about "flying" and planes the rest of the day.--------PAPA MIKERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I flew the Cub into the Palmyra(88C) Fathers Day Fly-In. Every time I noticed kidsand parents around the Cub I walked over and asked the parents if it wereOK to allow the kids to sit in the plane. Just the look on the kids faces wasenough for me. I explained the stick and associated control surfaces and had themmove the stick while looking back. Eyes got big when they realized they were"flying". One small girl about 7 years old all but refused to get out. I knowseveral of those kids thought about "flying" and planes the rest of the day.--------PAPA MIKERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: passing along the passion for open cockpit flyingPieters,Want to pass on a bit of experience about Piet flying.Several years ago, shortly after NX41CC was flying, 2004, Isabelle and I drove to a fly-in at Marksville, La. My dependable test pilot and friend, Edwin Johnson, flew the plane down. About 130 miles and about 2 hrs flight time.While parked along the line Isabelle and I were in lawn chairs under thewing. Many people stopped, looked, questioned and commented. All complimentary. However there was a father and son about 10 yrs old who approachedthe plane and paid me the best of all compliments. The son asked the father, " what's this one Daddy?.Dad says casually, A lot of long hard work.Keep building Pieters, it will pay off in so many ways you haven't even thought aboutCorky and Isabelle in HOT Louisiana**************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000004)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: passing along the passion for open cockpit flyingPieters,Want to pass on a bit of experience about Piet flying.Several years ago, shortly after NX41CC was flying, 2004, Isabelle and I drove to a fly-in at Marksville, La. My dependable test pilot and friend, Edwin Johnson, flew the plane down. About 130 miles and about 2 hrs flight time.While parked along the line Isabelle and I were in lawn chairs under thewing. Many people stopped, looked, questioned and commented. All complimentary. However there was a father and son about 10 yrs old who approachedthe plane and paid me the best of all compliments. The son asked the father, " what's this one Daddy?.Dad says casually, A lot of long hard work.Keep building Pieters, it will pay off in so many ways you haven't even thought aboutCorky and Isabelle in HOT Louisiana**************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000004)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
All,Last year I made one of my first posts, after attending Brodhead where Bill Rewey Gave my 8 year old Nephew his first airplane ride. He has asked every month since the snow left, is this the month when we go to brodhead, the second question is Do I think Bill will be there, third question, do you think I can get another ride. Brandon's Parents are divorced and his older brother is 8 years his senior. He's my Buddy and miniature shadow, Bill and the rest of you planted a seed last year, and I cant' thank you enough.See you all in Brodhead.Jake________________________________________________________________________________
All,Last year I made one of my first posts, after attending Brodhead where Bill Rewey Gave my 8 year old Nephew his first airplane ride. He has asked every month since the snow left, is this the month when we go to brodhead, the second question is Do I think Bill will be there, third question, do you think I can get another ride. Brandon's Parents are divorced and his older brother is 8 years his senior. He's my Buddy and miniature shadow, Bill and the rest of you planted a seed last year, and I cant' thank you enough.See you all in Brodhead.Jake________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: shad bell
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-inYou got me all excited. Based on the subject line I was going to go to Waco, Texasfor a fly-in. Please be more accurate with your Subject!!! ;-PTexas is a lot like the state you live in. Only BIGGER and BETTER!Steve D.----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-inYou got me all excited. Based on the subject line I was going to go to Waco, Texasfor a fly-in. Please be more accurate with your Subject!!! ;-PTexas is a lot like the state you live in. Only BIGGER and BETTER!Steve D.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-inWe'll see about that BIGGER and BETTER stuff tonight.Corky in Louisiana, an ole Tiger**************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000004)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-inWe'll see about that BIGGER and BETTER stuff tonight.Corky in Louisiana, an ole Tiger**************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000004)________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Rodney,It looks like you got tons of replies. I know of some who cut all theirmetal parts with hack-saw, but a metal blade on a band saw sure makes iteasier. My list would include: Table saw, band saw, bench sander, drillpress. That seems like a lot of expense, but here's how you pay for it: Asothers have said, buy 'planks' of an alternative wood like fir, pine orpoplar. The standard 'kit' of A/C Spruce is about $1,000, and that does notinclude the ribs. With just a little shopping you could spend $300-500 on analternative wood and purchase all the tools with the savings!Good luck & happy building,Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Rodney,It looks like you got tons of replies. I know of some who cut all theirmetal parts with hack-saw, but a metal blade on a band saw sure makes iteasier. My list would include: Table saw, band saw, bench sander, drillpress. That seems like a lot of expense, but here's how you pay for it: Asothers have said, buy 'planks' of an alternative wood like fir, pine orpoplar. The standard 'kit' of A/C Spruce is about $1,000, and that does notinclude the ribs. With just a little shopping you could spend $300-500 on analternative wood and purchase all the tools with the savings!Good luck & happy building,Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
If it makes you feel any better Rodney... the wood kit from AS&S is running $1225right now, and that does not include all the capstrip for the wing ribs orany plywood. I've spent ~$2000 on wood so far (about 25% of that being plywood),which should be just about all the wood I need, but you can certainly reducethat expense by ripping your own parts, which like Gary said, it may help youjustify the expense of a couple more tools. Oh, and his mention of a drillpress... another good one.I'm not sure where you are located, but keep you eye on Craigslist. Other thanthe prostitution rings, there are some good areas on that site where you canoften find reasonable deals locally. I purchased most of my gas welding rig onthere for a reasonable amount. It is used equipment, but it works great. Checkit out.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:57:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
If it makes you feel any better Rodney... the wood kit from AS&S is running $1225right now, and that does not include all the capstrip for the wing ribs orany plywood. I've spent ~$2000 on wood so far (about 25% of that being plywood),which should be just about all the wood I need, but you can certainly reducethat expense by ripping your own parts, which like Gary said, it may help youjustify the expense of a couple more tools. Oh, and his mention of a drillpress... another good one.I'm not sure where you are located, but keep you eye on Craigslist. Other thanthe prostitution rings, there are some good areas on that site where you canoften find reasonable deals locally. I purchased most of my gas welding rig onthere for a reasonable amount. It is used equipment, but it works great. Checkit out.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:57:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
Original Posted By: shad bell
Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Rodney,I second the motion on looking on Craigslist. Table saws and miter saws are adime a dozen and just as cheap. Bandsaws are more rare and a bit more expensive,but cost a whole lot less than buying new. A lot of those old tools stillhave life left in them. I bought a 10" compound miter saw for $35 and a 1950'sera Delta bandsaw for $90. The Delta needed a good cleanup but works just marvelous.And yes I can get bandsaw blades for it. You just have to be patientand wait for the right deals to come along. As far as those other "services" offered on Craigslist, I would have to defer tothose out there who have more experience with such things...........PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Rodney,I second the motion on looking on Craigslist. Table saws and miter saws are adime a dozen and just as cheap. Bandsaws are more rare and a bit more expensive,but cost a whole lot less than buying new. A lot of those old tools stillhave life left in them. I bought a 10" compound miter saw for $35 and a 1950'sera Delta bandsaw for $90. The Delta needed a good cleanup but works just marvelous.And yes I can get bandsaw blades for it. You just have to be patientand wait for the right deals to come along. As far as those other "services" offered on Craigslist, I would have to defer tothose out there who have more experience with such things...........PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Wait a minute... I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, but allow me toclarify... I have no experience with the other "services" offered on Craigslist,it's just that every time you hear about the site on the news they are beingthreatened with lawsuits and such over illegal activities. Oh, I also have a scroll saw. A great tool when you need one, but I wouldn't placeit in the same group with the ones we've been discussing.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Wait a minute... I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, but allow me toclarify... I have no experience with the other "services" offered on Craigslist,it's just that every time you hear about the site on the news they are beingthreatened with lawsuits and such over illegal activities. Oh, I also have a scroll saw. A great tool when you need one, but I wouldn't placeit in the same group with the ones we've been discussing.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans question
Original Posted By: shad bell
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionThanks Tim, I have read about that dip before on the list. I don't think it presents a huge problem. Others have said just "connect the dots" for a smooth transition. Seems easy enough...Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib plans questionThanks Tim, I have read about that dip before on the list. I don't think it presents a huge problem. Others have said just "connect the dots" for a smooth transition. Seems easy enough...Boyce________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
The "Piet" project was the perfect excuse to stock up my shop on powertools such as....... Table saw, band saw, miter saw, 12" disc sander,jointer, planer, gas torch set, sand blaster, new tool boxes, routerwith table, 16ft work bench, engine stand, engine hoist, drillpress.....and when the wife asked where the tools came from I said..."what these old tools I've had these forever. "________________________________________________________________________________
The "Piet" project was the perfect excuse to stock up my shop on powertools such as....... Table saw, band saw, miter saw, 12" disc sander,jointer, planer, gas torch set, sand blaster, new tool boxes, routerwith table, 16ft work bench, engine stand, engine hoist, drillpress.....and when the wife asked where the tools came from I said..."what these old tools I've had these forever. "________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building with wood question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I agree with Bill.The tools you will use the most are (in order):Table SawBelt SanderBand SawMetal Cuting Band Saw (I bought the cheap $200 Grizzly metal cutting bandsawand it worked great for all the steel parts you'll have to cut)Jack PhillipsNX899JP-----Original Message-----
I agree with Bill.The tools you will use the most are (in order):Table SawBelt SanderBand SawMetal Cuting Band Saw (I bought the cheap $200 Grizzly metal cutting bandsawand it worked great for all the steel parts you'll have to cut)Jack PhillipsNX899JP-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in Ohio
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Of course, where did those Ohio boys have to go to fly in 1903? NORTHCAROLINA, so we proudly carry the slogan "First in Flight" on our licenseplates. Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Of course, where did those Ohio boys have to go to fly in 1903? NORTHCAROLINA, so we proudly carry the slogan "First in Flight" on our licenseplates. Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jake,I'll be happy to give your nephew a ride in my Piet at Brodhead, as long asthat 8 year old doesn't weigh over 170 lbs.Jack PhillipsNX899JP _____
Jake,I'll be happy to give your nephew a ride in my Piet at Brodhead, as long asthat 8 year old doesn't weigh over 170 lbs.Jack PhillipsNX899JP _____