Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 questionDoes anyone know if an 0-200 will bolt up to a Pietenpol plans-built Continental motor mount ? I know Chrissi & Randiof CG Products http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htmhave built and 0-200 mount for a Pietenpol builder but not sure what (if any) the differences might be such as bolt location/pattern,oil tank neck interference, accessory case/mags/possible starter interference.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: 0-200 question
RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I've got the mount specs for the A65, C75, C85, and C90, which are all thesame (top mounts 7" apart, bottom mounts 10-1/2" apart, top mounts 11-9/16"above bottom mounts, 3/8" bolts). The drawing I have for the O-200A doesnot give the dimensions for the engine mount, but I don't believe they arethe same. When I put an O-200 in my Cessna 140, replacing the C85 it camewith, I had to get a new mount. I know the O-200 uses a biscuit type mountbushing, instead of the old conical bushings used by the earlier engines.Jack PhillipsNX899JP _____
I've got the mount specs for the A65, C75, C85, and C90, which are all thesame (top mounts 7" apart, bottom mounts 10-1/2" apart, top mounts 11-9/16"above bottom mounts, 3/8" bolts). The drawing I have for the O-200A doesnot give the dimensions for the engine mount, but I don't believe they arethe same. When I put an O-200 in my Cessna 140, replacing the C85 it camewith, I had to get a new mount. I know the O-200 uses a biscuit type mountbushing, instead of the old conical bushings used by the earlier engines.Jack PhillipsNX899JP _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Mikee-The O-200 uses different style donuts on the mounts thanthe A-series engines that the Pietenpol Continental mountis designed for, but that's not to say that the mountpoints can't be changed out for different ones. I havequite a bit of technical material on the A- and C-seriesengines at home and will look at it tonight, but I thinkthe engine mount points (vib. isolators) are probably themain sticking point.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:51:15 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 question
Mikee-The O-200 uses different style donuts on the mounts thanthe A-series engines that the Pietenpol Continental mountis designed for, but that's not to say that the mountpoints can't be changed out for different ones. I havequite a bit of technical material on the A- and C-seriesengines at home and will look at it tonight, but I thinkthe engine mount points (vib. isolators) are probably themain sticking point.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:51:15 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 question
Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: "Terry Bowden"
I keep telling you guys, check out "High Road to China". Its a good flick andhas the usual stuff: Boy flies airplane. Girl(!) flies airplane. Boy hates girl.Girl hates boy. Boy saves girls life. Girl falls in love with boy. Plus,there is the usual shootings, bombings, (from a Stampe biplane no less) andother mayhem. They even manage to bomb a Afgan village they were escaping from.Boy, some things never change.Paul"The Pietenpol is slow, but the earth is patient"Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 question
I keep telling you guys, check out "High Road to China". Its a good flick andhas the usual stuff: Boy flies airplane. Girl(!) flies airplane. Boy hates girl.Girl hates boy. Boy saves girls life. Girl falls in love with boy. Plus,there is the usual shootings, bombings, (from a Stampe biplane no less) andother mayhem. They even manage to bomb a Afgan village they were escaping from.Boy, some things never change.Paul"The Pietenpol is slow, but the earth is patient"Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Here is some info on engine mount spacers. O200-A engines use large rubber "Lord"mount isolators. The A65, A75, C75, C85, C90 all use small cone shaped rubbermount isolators. To convert and O200A engine to fit the same as one of these other engines, youcan machine some aluminum bushings to accept the small rubber cones. See photosattached... they will tell the story. I can help with a drawing of these bushings.--------Pietenpol A-75 "HopGrasser"Taylorcraft BC12-D N95598Curtiss Robin C-1 NR82HRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/adap ... ______Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
Here is some info on engine mount spacers. O200-A engines use large rubber "Lord"mount isolators. The A65, A75, C75, C85, C90 all use small cone shaped rubbermount isolators. To convert and O200A engine to fit the same as one of these other engines, youcan machine some aluminum bushings to accept the small rubber cones. See photosattached... they will tell the story. I can help with a drawing of these bushings.--------Pietenpol A-75 "HopGrasser"Taylorcraft BC12-D N95598Curtiss Robin C-1 NR82HRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/adap ... ______Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 questionThanks Jack-good info. And thanks Terry too.
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 questionThanks Jack-good info. And thanks Terry too.
Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: "Terry Bowden"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 questionYou do not have to convert the O-200 to use those machined conical>bushings. They will work on the A65/C85 mount. But if you already have>a cowling made to fit the A65 / C85-8, you will have to deal with the>engine being located about 3/4 inch farther forward when using the>"Lord" mounts. Thats where the machined bushings are most helpful. You>can use them to upgrade an A65 airplane to an O-200 with minimal>trimming on the cowl, etc..Terry-- outstanding info-- thank you. In Ryan's post he shows where Harry Fentonsaid you would need to make ~ 2" long bushings on an 0-200 to make it "fit" a previouslycowled A-65. Is the purpose of those machined bushings to adapt to the Lord mountrubber bushings or to be able to use the old cone shaped A-65 bushings ? I'mcloseto understanding this-- thank you guys so much for such generous answering of questions.This list is filled with knowledgeable people...and a few infidels (in whom I loveto associate with:) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 question
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 questionYou do not have to convert the O-200 to use those machined conical>bushings. They will work on the A65/C85 mount. But if you already have>a cowling made to fit the A65 / C85-8, you will have to deal with the>engine being located about 3/4 inch farther forward when using the>"Lord" mounts. Thats where the machined bushings are most helpful. You>can use them to upgrade an A65 airplane to an O-200 with minimal>trimming on the cowl, etc..Terry-- outstanding info-- thank you. In Ryan's post he shows where Harry Fentonsaid you would need to make ~ 2" long bushings on an 0-200 to make it "fit" a previouslycowled A-65. Is the purpose of those machined bushings to adapt to the Lord mountrubber bushings or to be able to use the old cone shaped A-65 bushings ? I'mcloseto understanding this-- thank you guys so much for such generous answering of questions.This list is filled with knowledgeable people...and a few infidels (in whom I loveto associate with:) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-200 question
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Mike,When you use the machined bushings, they allow the O200 to use the A65 style conicalrubber isolators.There is someone on Ebay selling those machined bushings for approx. $150 for aset of 8 (enough for one engine install).Regards,Terry B--------Terry L. Bowden254-715-4773http://terry-bowden.blogspot.com/Pietenpol A-75 "HopGrasser"Taylorcraft BC12-D N95598Curtiss Robin C-1 NR82HRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/inst ... __________
Mike,When you use the machined bushings, they allow the O200 to use the A65 style conicalrubber isolators.There is someone on Ebay selling those machined bushings for approx. $150 for aset of 8 (enough for one engine install).Regards,Terry B--------Terry L. Bowden254-715-4773http://terry-bowden.blogspot.com/Pietenpol A-75 "HopGrasser"Taylorcraft BC12-D N95598Curtiss Robin C-1 NR82HRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/inst ... __________