Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Hi Gang.Well- the check ride is over, and here is a general summery.With an early morning appointment on a perfect day. Temps around the mid 50's MrFAA comes to work in jeans and a short sleeve shirt. We pushed the hot J3 outof the hanger and after a long check-out, I ask if he would want the doors openor closed. Reply." Your discretion ." , I selected, open. I was wearing ajacket. He said that I select the runway and he will instruct maneuvers to bedone.We took off and went to 3000 Ft. Temps were in the 40's, a couple clearance turnsand 360's to the right and left but steeper. one power off stall, and one acceleratedat my discretion.His next words were." Lets shoot a few landings" The word "discretion" came upmany times. Runway selection etc.He kept me closer and closer to the airport, until between side-slips and powerapproaches to hit a spot he insisted I hit.The last landing, I told him that it will be exactly as I did on 36L, at 12" offthe turf I dropped the J3 in with a mild quick stall.The next thing I heard "Lets go in and talk about things." as he rubbed his armsto bring a bit of warmth into circulation.In a later discussion he mentioned that a rebound from a small bounce may havelightened the gears enough to allow the side movement that I had. But a pictureshows what a thousand words cannot cannot express.The next hour I asked how his great adventures in the CO mountains went and whathis greatest fears were. The Cougar was his answer, and it was a piece of cakefrom there on.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Michael Cuy:Next time whimsical inspiration overwhelms, you may consider adding one ofthese to your inventory. .http://www.ohtm.org/demenjoz.htmlThe specimen is located at the Owls Head Transportation Museum inThomaston/Rockland Maine.http://www.ohtm.org/Michael in Maine________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Michael Cuy:Next time whimsical inspiration overwhelms, you may consider adding one ofthese to your inventory. .http://www.ohtm.org/demenjoz.htmlThe specimen is located at the Owls Head Transportation Museum inThomaston/Rockland Maine.http://www.ohtm.org/Michael in Maine________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Original Posted By: "airlion"
Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking great and lasts about forever.I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.GeneN502R----- Original Message -----
Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking great and lasts about forever.I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.GeneN502R----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Original Posted By: airlion
Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "airlion"
Guys,Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.Regards, Tom BernieOn Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:> >>> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure > they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for > gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a > color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and > then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place > the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one > strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can > stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the > slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking > great and lasts about forever.> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have > had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.> Gene> N502R
Guys,Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.Regards, Tom BernieOn Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:> >>> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure > they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for > gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a > color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and > then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place > the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one > strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can > stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the > slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking > great and lasts about forever.> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have > had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.> Gene> N502R
Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Original Posted By: "Thomas Bernie"
Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on your build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't build it and the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my leg. It'll be a week or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm really tired of setting around. The weather here is slowly cooling down and I'm excited about the upcoming winter flying. Only wish we got more snow here so I could outfit the Piet with skies.Gene Grounded in TennesseeN502R----- Original Message -----
Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on your build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't build it and the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my leg. It'll be a week or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm really tired of setting around. The weather here is slowly cooling down and I'm excited about the upcoming winter flying. Only wish we got more snow here so I could outfit the Piet with skies.Gene Grounded in TennesseeN502R----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I just put it on the bottom on the elevators/stabilizer. Nothing on therudder. As I said earlier, I put the duct tape on just as an experiment,and it's still there after 4 years.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
I just put it on the bottom on the elevators/stabilizer. Nothing on therudder. As I said earlier, I put the duct tape on just as an experiment,and it's still there after 4 years.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: Lloyd Smith
I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I receivedmy wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly after.It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thoroughinspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there wasindeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars andseveral ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather(rain).Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangartoday to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice thisbefore, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone wascareless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extendsfrom the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC modelwood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thusfar, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from thebundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) andapplied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open underpressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now). Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeksago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is.I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by lookingat photos, but...Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the grain,etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to removewith light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroythe evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject. Thanks for looking.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p919 ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:47:53 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I receivedmy wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly after.It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thoroughinspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there wasindeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars andseveral ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather(rain).Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangartoday to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice thisbefore, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone wascareless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extendsfrom the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC modelwood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thusfar, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from thebundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) andapplied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open underpressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now). Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeksago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is.I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by lookingat photos, but...Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the grain,etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to removewith light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroythe evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject. Thanks for looking.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p919 ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:47:53 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be willingto try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a small drop ofrubber stamp pad ink?--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be willingto try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a small drop ofrubber stamp pad ink?--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The FoxDear Lowell, My deepest respect and regard for you and your experience with aviation over theyears and for you having to put up withthe FAA guy but in the end it sounded like he was, after all, a normal human beingtoo. Thank God for that. You did great. We had a little incident locally over the past week where (thankfully) no bodyknew the better and pilot's with YEARS and years of experience just drove home peacefully by sunset time and nothing more was ato-do about it. Just the way it should bein my mind. Glad you're back among the troops. Good going. Mike CuyIn Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:47:44 -0400
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The FoxDear Lowell, My deepest respect and regard for you and your experience with aviation over theyears and for you having to put up withthe FAA guy but in the end it sounded like he was, after all, a normal human beingtoo. Thank God for that. You did great. We had a little incident locally over the past week where (thankfully) no bodyknew the better and pilot's with YEARS and years of experience just drove home peacefully by sunset time and nothing more was ato-do about it. Just the way it should bein my mind. Glad you're back among the troops. Good going. Mike CuyIn Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:47:44 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: Lloyd Smith
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: Lloyd Smith
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of exact center.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of exact center.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
> Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
Original Posted By:> hangar10(at)cox.net
photos possible?> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
photos possible?> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
I've attached 5 photos. I'm a web user, so I'm not sure how they come across onthe e-mail side. I assume... attached?--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I've attached 5 photos. I'm a web user, so I'm not sure how they come across onthe e-mail side. I assume... attached?--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: Thomas Bernie
It's a crack. I've suffered that sort of thing anumber of times. It goes farther to the leftas well. I can see it going out of the picture to the left. Don't use this piece!In pic five you can see it follows the grain direction.Clif>> In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of > exact center.>> --------> Mark - working on wings________________________________________________________________________________
It's a crack. I've suffered that sort of thing anumber of times. It goes farther to the leftas well. I can see it going out of the picture to the left. Don't use this piece!In pic five you can see it follows the grain direction.Clif>> In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of > exact center.>> --------> Mark - working on wings________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "Thomas Bernie" >>> Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on > your build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't > build it and the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my > leg. It'll be a week or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm > really tired of setting around. The weather here is slowly cooling > down and I'm excited about the upcoming winter flying. Only wish we > got more snow here so I could outfit the Piet with skies.> Gene Grounded in Tennessee> N502R>>
RE: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mark, it certainly looks like a crack. With it being in the middle of thespar, I'd be hesitant to use it. Every time you find yourself flying inturbulence you'll be wondering if that spar will hold.Your options are:1. Try to determine if it is just a scratch - hopefully it is, and you canuse it without worry2. Try to get AS&S to replace it (good luck)3. Cut it up into smaller pieces for use elsewhere in the project. If itis a 1" thick spar, you might be able to get some longeron material out ofit (will require scarf joints unless your spar was as long as a longeron)One other possibility exists. If it is truly in the middle (and I'massuming you are making a 3-piece wing), it will fall about where the liftstruts attach. There are heavy 1/8" plywood doublers on both sides of thespar there. If you make those doublers longer than the plans require,spanning maybe a foot of spar on each side, and add doublers on the top andbottom edge of the spar, it might be capable of sustaining the loads. You'dwant to run a quick stress analysis to make sure it would suffice, but myfeeling is that it would probably be okay. I'd still try option (2) first.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Mark, it certainly looks like a crack. With it being in the middle of thespar, I'd be hesitant to use it. Every time you find yourself flying inturbulence you'll be wondering if that spar will hold.Your options are:1. Try to determine if it is just a scratch - hopefully it is, and you canuse it without worry2. Try to get AS&S to replace it (good luck)3. Cut it up into smaller pieces for use elsewhere in the project. If itis a 1" thick spar, you might be able to get some longeron material out ofit (will require scarf joints unless your spar was as long as a longeron)One other possibility exists. If it is truly in the middle (and I'massuming you are making a 3-piece wing), it will fall about where the liftstruts attach. There are heavy 1/8" plywood doublers on both sides of thespar there. If you make those doublers longer than the plans require,spanning maybe a foot of spar on each side, and add doublers on the top andbottom edge of the spar, it might be capable of sustaining the loads. You'dwant to run a quick stress analysis to make sure it would suffice, but myfeeling is that it would probably be okay. I'd still try option (2) first.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I know this is a long shot=2C but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I received my wood package from AS&S back in July=2C and opened it all up shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition=2C although I did not perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there was indeed there=2C an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather (rain).> > Ok=2C ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather=2C I went to the hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this before=2C but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone was careless with a blade (not me=2C I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extends from the top or the spar=2C around the corner to the front side of the spar=2C across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC model wood and the like=2C but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus far=2C and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now). > > Anyhow=2C I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks ago=2C but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is. I can't tell for sure=2C and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking at photos=2C but...> > Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling=2C like split against the grain=2C etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to remove with light sanding=2C but it is hard to tell for sure=2C and I hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject. > > Thanks for looking.> > --------> Mark - working on wings> > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 901#263901> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190051r_624.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190052r_120.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190053r_345.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190054r_922.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190060r_303.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190064r_195.jpg> > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I know this is a long shot=2C but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I received my wood package from AS&S back in July=2C and opened it all up shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition=2C although I did not perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there was indeed there=2C an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather (rain).> > Ok=2C ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather=2C I went to the hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this before=2C but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone was careless with a blade (not me=2C I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extends from the top or the spar=2C around the corner to the front side of the spar=2C across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC model wood and the like=2C but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus far=2C and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now). > > Anyhow=2C I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks ago=2C but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is. I can't tell for sure=2C and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking at photos=2C but...> > Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling=2C like split against the grain=2C etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to remove with light sanding=2C but it is hard to tell for sure=2C and I hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject. > > Thanks for looking.> > --------> Mark - working on wings> > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 901#263901> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190051r_624.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190052r_120.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190053r_345.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190054r_922.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190060r_303.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190064r_195.jpg> > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
