Original Posted By:> Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshop> > Oscar> > There are 3 groups of people in this> > People that have piets> People building piets> People interested in building> > Why go east and west> > Why not one event in the middle of the country so everyone can > attend and no one is required cross country> > Most anyone can get to indiana or Wisconsin by or through chicago > by car or air> > There are enough builders to teach the sessions so don't need no > stinkin Box O Airplane factory guy more like component guys are > better wicks, ac spruce craftsman, roybe, stewart systems, miller > electric, henrob. Guys that stand to make a buck from piet > builders and see if they will lend or send demo guys, instructors > and class practice supplies and or displays with answer guys. > > I wonder how many would be interested in that for a modest fee. > Naturally part of the program will have to point towards > intellectual issues like understanding the prints, making > inferential decisions, pre build decisions and a national network > of in process builders in the area to help out> > Just some thoughts> > Also not all builders know this site so advertising on the AOPA, > POA and hombuilders sites will provide access to the larger market > that do no know about this board. I believe the market is much > larger than we really know. > > How's that for ideas and comment?> > John> ------Original Message------
Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Well, let's air out an idea, then. EAA, AircraftSpruce, and others hold builders' workshops acouple of times a year at different venues, mostlyfor things like the Zenith and RV. Let's supposesomeone organized an Air Camper builders' workshopand got someone like EAA, Wicks, or Aircraft Sprucebehind it. Would people come to such an event?The big builders' workshops have both east and westcoast venues due to the high interest in some ofthe plane-in-a-box designs. I doubt that the AirCamper interest would be high enough for more thanone such event in any given year, and it wouldprobably be held in Florida or California.I'm not offering to arrange such an event; I'm justwondering if scratch builders are of the same mindsetas kit builders in wanting to attend a group workshop.My opinion is that we are mostly individualists andpersonal craftsmen (and I use that term a bit looselysince I am not particularly crafty), and that agroup setting would not really interest too many ofthe type of people who want to build Piets.Comments?Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Well, let's air out an idea, then. EAA, AircraftSpruce, and others hold builders' workshops acouple of times a year at different venues, mostlyfor things like the Zenith and RV. Let's supposesomeone organized an Air Camper builders' workshopand got someone like EAA, Wicks, or Aircraft Sprucebehind it. Would people come to such an event?The big builders' workshops have both east and westcoast venues due to the high interest in some ofthe plane-in-a-box designs. I doubt that the AirCamper interest would be high enough for more thanone such event in any given year, and it wouldprobably be held in Florida or California.I'm not offering to arrange such an event; I'm justwondering if scratch builders are of the same mindsetas kit builders in wanting to attend a group workshop.My opinion is that we are mostly individualists andpersonal craftsmen (and I use that term a bit looselysince I am not particularly crafty), and that agroup setting would not really interest too many ofthe type of people who want to build Piets.Comments?Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshop
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
OscarThere are 3 groups of people in thisPeople that have pietsPeople building pietsPeople interested in buildingWhy go east and westWhy not one event in the middle of the country so everyone can attend and no oneis required cross countryMost anyone can get to indiana or Wisconsin by or through chicago by car or airThere are enough builders to teach the sessions so don't need no stinkin Box OAirplane factory guy more like component guys are better wicks, ac spruce craftsman,roybe, stewart systems, miller electric, henrob. Guys that stand to makea buck from piet builders and see if they will lend or send demo guys, instructorsand class practice supplies and or displays with answer guys. I wonder how many would be interested in that for a modest fee. Naturally partof the program will have to point towards intellectual issues like understandingthe prints, making inferential decisions, pre build decisions and a nationalnetwork of in process builders in the area to help outJust some thoughtsAlso not all builders know this site so advertising on the AOPA, POA and hombuilderssites will provide access to the larger market that do no know about thisboard. I believe the market is much larger than we really know. How's that for ideas and comment?John------Original Message------
OscarThere are 3 groups of people in thisPeople that have pietsPeople building pietsPeople interested in buildingWhy go east and westWhy not one event in the middle of the country so everyone can attend and no oneis required cross countryMost anyone can get to indiana or Wisconsin by or through chicago by car or airThere are enough builders to teach the sessions so don't need no stinkin Box OAirplane factory guy more like component guys are better wicks, ac spruce craftsman,roybe, stewart systems, miller electric, henrob. Guys that stand to makea buck from piet builders and see if they will lend or send demo guys, instructorsand class practice supplies and or displays with answer guys. I wonder how many would be interested in that for a modest fee. Naturally partof the program will have to point towards intellectual issues like understandingthe prints, making inferential decisions, pre build decisions and a nationalnetwork of in process builders in the area to help outJust some thoughtsAlso not all builders know this site so advertising on the AOPA, POA and hombuilderssites will provide access to the larger market that do no know about thisboard. I believe the market is much larger than we really know. How's that for ideas and comment?John------Original Message------
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshop
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshopOscar, How about holding one in the Grand Republic of Texas? Centralized and goodweather. Heck their is an airport near SA that would be great.OR an alternative to a national meeting is what the Bonanza people do (I know Aspam can but a nice spam can) and that is to plan events in different regions.OR tie in with an EAA group and host an event that is focused on Pietenpol buildingskills that different homebuilders can attend.Blue Skies,Steve "The Good Idea Faery" D.Yes, I own a 1948 Beech Bonanza, It came as a kit, (that you disassembled, fixedand made parts and then reassembled.)8T8 and working in Austin. ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshopOscar, How about holding one in the Grand Republic of Texas? Centralized and goodweather. Heck their is an airport near SA that would be great.OR an alternative to a national meeting is what the Bonanza people do (I know Aspam can but a nice spam can) and that is to plan events in different regions.OR tie in with an EAA group and host an event that is focused on Pietenpol buildingskills that different homebuilders can attend.Blue Skies,Steve "The Good Idea Faery" D.Yes, I own a 1948 Beech Bonanza, It came as a kit, (that you disassembled, fixedand made parts and then reassembled.)8T8 and working in Austin. ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Raymond,Sounds to me a lot like picking a woman...But, Jim may have just posted the end-all, be-all post on the matter!Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Raymond,Sounds to me a lot like picking a woman...But, Jim may have just posted the end-all, be-all post on the matter!Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Original Posted By: airlion
Pietenpol-List: Piet builders' workshop
Original Posted By: H RULE
Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Raymond;One idea you might try if you like the look of the3-piece windshield but don't want to go to all the trouble. I have not done this but have heard itcan be done.Take a piece of Lexan and cold-bend it at the cornerswhere the 3-piece windshield would normally have ajoint. Shaping a single piece of Lexan should beeasier than fitting three pieces together and you should be able to make a template by starting outwith a piece of cardboard or stiff posterboard toget the contours at the bottom to follow the curvesof the boot cowlings. Cut out your polycarbonatesheet to match the template and then put it in abrake and bend it.Once it's all shaped the way you want it, you caneven make it look like a 3-piece by attaching bentpieces of aluminum at the edges and joints with rivetsor screws.Again, I have not cold-bent polycarbonate myself butI understand that it can be done. Also be aware thatpolycarbonate is not friendly with some fuels andit may cloud or craze if you get avgas on it.As far as the height of the windshield, don't skimpon it. Sitting straight up in the seat your eyesshould be looking over the top edge but if you needto hunker down a bit, make sure you can get your facedown out of the wind without hunching over. Thewindshields on 41CC are about right in my opinion;you can sort of get an idea of the height of minerelative to the underside of the centersection here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPGI even thought that a fake 4-piece could be made butnow you're talking much more work.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Raymond;One idea you might try if you like the look of the3-piece windshield but don't want to go to all the trouble. I have not done this but have heard itcan be done.Take a piece of Lexan and cold-bend it at the cornerswhere the 3-piece windshield would normally have ajoint. Shaping a single piece of Lexan should beeasier than fitting three pieces together and you should be able to make a template by starting outwith a piece of cardboard or stiff posterboard toget the contours at the bottom to follow the curvesof the boot cowlings. Cut out your polycarbonatesheet to match the template and then put it in abrake and bend it.Once it's all shaped the way you want it, you caneven make it look like a 3-piece by attaching bentpieces of aluminum at the edges and joints with rivetsor screws.Again, I have not cold-bent polycarbonate myself butI understand that it can be done. Also be aware thatpolycarbonate is not friendly with some fuels andit may cloud or craze if you get avgas on it.As far as the height of the windshield, don't skimpon it. Sitting straight up in the seat your eyesshould be looking over the top edge but if you needto hunker down a bit, make sure you can get your facedown out of the wind without hunching over. Thewindshields on 41CC are about right in my opinion;you can sort of get an idea of the height of minerelative to the underside of the centersection here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPGI even thought that a fake 4-piece could be made butnow you're talking much more work.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Raymond; there are plenty of other pix of thewindshields on the westcoast piet site, but asanother example of just about the right height,here's Steve/Andrew Eldredge's Piet with peoplesitting in both cockpits so you get an idea ofthe geometry:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/SteveE.jpgI believe DJ may have extended the cabanes justa bit taller than stock on your airplane, so"your mileage may vary" ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:33:21 -0700 (PDT)
Raymond; there are plenty of other pix of thewindshields on the westcoast piet site, but asanother example of just about the right height,here's Steve/Andrew Eldredge's Piet with peoplesitting in both cockpits so you get an idea ofthe geometry:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/SteveE.jpgI believe DJ may have extended the cabanes justa bit taller than stock on your airplane, so"your mileage may vary" ;o)Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:33:21 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshields
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Re: Pietenpol-List: not piet related, but still from 1929...
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
I was out in the back yard grilling some steaks Friday evening, and kept hearingsomething with multiple radial engines invading my airspace. I looked up, andsaw a Ford TriMotor flying overhead. I went inside and did some quick Googlingand found out that the EAA's 1929 TriMotor was in town for the entire weekendat Frasca Field about 4 miles from my house in Urbana, IL. So Saturday Ihopped on my motorcycle and rode over there with my camera and snapped a few(187) photos of the TriMotor and some of the Frasca warbird collection that wasout for viewing. Here's a link the the album on the photobucket site.http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff29 ... otor/Billy McCaskillUrbana, Iltail feathers almost doneRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:58:48 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: not piet related, but still from 1929...
I was out in the back yard grilling some steaks Friday evening, and kept hearingsomething with multiple radial engines invading my airspace. I looked up, andsaw a Ford TriMotor flying overhead. I went inside and did some quick Googlingand found out that the EAA's 1929 TriMotor was in town for the entire weekendat Frasca Field about 4 miles from my house in Urbana, IL. So Saturday Ihopped on my motorcycle and rode over there with my camera and snapped a few(187) photos of the TriMotor and some of the Frasca warbird collection that wasout for viewing. Here's a link the the album on the photobucket site.http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff29 ... otor/Billy McCaskillUrbana, Iltail feathers almost doneRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:58:48 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: not piet related, but still from 1929...
Re: Pietenpol-List: sketches and photos
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sketches and photos
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sketches and photos