Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: using brakesSame here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I'm below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup.I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?Jack PhilllipsI don't even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeofffor traffic-the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way or the other works fine.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakesThanks guys, all good information in the planning. Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.ThanksJohnsafe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup. I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you? Jack Philllips I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeoff for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way or the other works fine. Mike C. ====================================(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ========================================================================(http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ====================================________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:48:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakesThanks guys, all good information in the planning. Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.ThanksJohnsafe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup. I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you? Jack Philllips I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeoff for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way or the other works fine. Mike C. ====================================(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ========================================================================(http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ====================================________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:48:55 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you aretaxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). AsDon said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about rollforever on pavement. I've had more problems with the brakes than all otherproblems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have 'em.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you aretaxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). AsDon said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about rollforever on pavement. I've had more problems with the brakes than all otherproblems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have 'em.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakeswow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slowin down?Lets review the list of needs:parking run upfuelproblems on landingfast approach on a short fieldhigh approachReduction of orbit for reentryground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)pavement rolling foreverany others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary brake usage ?In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net writes:Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you aretaxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ____________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakeswow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slowin down?Lets review the list of needs:parking run upfuelproblems on landingfast approach on a short fieldhigh approachReduction of orbit for reentryground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)pavement rolling foreverany others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary brake usage ?In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net writes:Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you aretaxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ____________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Original Posted By: H RULE
LMAO!! John, you've got issues. Hey, are you coming to the Port o' Catoosa this month?--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
LMAO!! John, you've got issues. Hey, are you coming to the Port o' Catoosa this month?--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Original Posted By: Mark Chunard
MarkI sure am hoping to. I need to close out the book on Catoosa for ths year and Octoberis a great time to do that. If I do will you be able to get Markle to meetup with us for beer and lies?Nothing better than your hanger beer Markles fabrications and me taking a goodole manly Johnson scratch. It just don't get any better than that. However ifMarkle can't make it I can still scratch drink and tell lies about him!So that shouldn't be a problem. Like we say in se pa vee vill keep yall postedJakey. John------Original Message------
MarkI sure am hoping to. I need to close out the book on Catoosa for ths year and Octoberis a great time to do that. If I do will you be able to get Markle to meetup with us for beer and lies?Nothing better than your hanger beer Markles fabrications and me taking a goodole manly Johnson scratch. It just don't get any better than that. However ifMarkle can't make it I can still scratch drink and tell lies about him!So that shouldn't be a problem. Like we say in se pa vee vill keep yall postedJakey. John------Original Message------
Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
One more thing.... compared to no brakes installed, they'll lower your insurance costs.David Paule ----- Original Message -----
One more thing.... compared to no brakes installed, they'll lower your insurance costs.David Paule ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot.I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams.....Greg C. ----- Original Message -----
No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot.I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams.....Greg C. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: Ken Howe
Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge
Pietenpol-List: Re: starter for no-electrics engines
Original Posted By: "Ozarkflyer"
I'll just show two pictures in two different posts. The first picture is of themodified 18v drill (yellow) enclosed in an aluminum box fastened to the firewall.The bottom of the picture shows the battery missing (being charged) butthere is a rod going from the bottom of the drill through the firewall to a "T"handle located on the instrument panel. As the "T" handle is pulled the drillbottom pivots towards the firewall and at the same time turns the drill on.The modified top of the drill pivots towards the prop pushing a shaft witha starter gear on the end of it. The spinning gear is pushed forward engagingthe starter ring which starts the engine. The starter gear is some sort of bendixarrangement which prevents the running motor from tearing the gear off whileit is engaged.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airp ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: starter for no-electrics engines
I'll just show two pictures in two different posts. The first picture is of themodified 18v drill (yellow) enclosed in an aluminum box fastened to the firewall.The bottom of the picture shows the battery missing (being charged) butthere is a rod going from the bottom of the drill through the firewall to a "T"handle located on the instrument panel. As the "T" handle is pulled the drillbottom pivots towards the firewall and at the same time turns the drill on.The modified top of the drill pivots towards the prop pushing a shaft witha starter gear on the end of it. The spinning gear is pushed forward engagingthe starter ring which starts the engine. The starter gear is some sort of bendixarrangement which prevents the running motor from tearing the gear off whileit is engaged.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airp ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: starter for no-electrics engines
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
My second picture is of the starting gear and ring on the front (prop removed).The clearer of the two pictures but I was in a dark hangar taking pictures witha cell phone. If I can clarify anything, just let me knowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airp ... ______Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:40:25 -0500
My second picture is of the starting gear and ring on the front (prop removed).The clearer of the two pictures but I was in a dark hangar taking pictures witha cell phone. If I can clarify anything, just let me knowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airp ... ______Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:40:25 -0500
RE: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there? -----Original Message-----
There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there? -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainlywelcome any time.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainlywelcome any time.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainlywelcome any time.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainlywelcome any time.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
11B1P--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
11B1P--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: using brakes
Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not archive' tag?3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle....RyanSent from my mobile deviceOn Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray wrote:> Are you also a night worker or an early riser?>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray > wrote:> How big is your work shop and work bench?>> Russell>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote:> Howdy All,>> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or > three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but > searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this > option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly > appreciate it.>> Thanks,> Dallas in NM (newbie)>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ttp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ... __________
Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not archive' tag?3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle....RyanSent from my mobile deviceOn Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray wrote:> Are you also a night worker or an early riser?>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray > wrote:> How big is your work shop and work bench?>> Russell>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote:> Howdy All,>> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or > three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but > searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this > option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly > appreciate it.>> Thanks,> Dallas in NM (newbie)>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ttp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Hi all,Any suggestions on cutting and drilling Lexan?ThanksDouwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar spliceDate: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:28:54 -0400
Hi all,Any suggestions on cutting and drilling Lexan?ThanksDouwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar spliceDate: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:28:54 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Do you like gladiator movies?Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.) _____
Do you like gladiator movies?Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.) _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wingRay,I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to the stair way. The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hoursto work, Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour martinizing!JohnIn a message dated 10/2/2009 4:17:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rray032003(at)gmail.com writes:Are you also a night worker or an early riser?On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray wrote:How big is your work shop and work bench?RussellOn Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote:Howdy All,Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wingRay,I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to the stair way. The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hoursto work, Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour martinizing!JohnIn a message dated 10/2/2009 4:17:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rray032003(at)gmail.com writes:Are you also a night worker or an early riser?On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray wrote:How big is your work shop and work bench?RussellOn Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote:Howdy All,Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexanDouwe,I kept the protective plastic on my Lexan during cutting/fitting as it really scratches easily.I used a sabre saw to cut my 1/8" thick Lexan then filed and sanded the edges to get all the stress risermarks out and simply used regular drill bits to drill the holes.I did debur the holes (on both sides) with a hand-held countersink bit (or larger than your hole-size drill bit if you don't havea countersink handy) like Bingelis suggests for all holes-in 4130, aluminum, or plastics.I cold-bent my windshields to fit my aluminum brackets. I don't think you can heat-form Lexan in an oven but then againmemory fades on what Bingelis sez about these things. I know he shows in his books how to heat form Plexiglass but thatstuff is a pain in the rectum to work with/ drill, cut.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexanDouwe,I kept the protective plastic on my Lexan during cutting/fitting as it really scratches easily.I used a sabre saw to cut my 1/8" thick Lexan then filed and sanded the edges to get all the stress risermarks out and simply used regular drill bits to drill the holes.I did debur the holes (on both sides) with a hand-held countersink bit (or larger than your hole-size drill bit if you don't havea countersink handy) like Bingelis suggests for all holes-in 4130, aluminum, or plastics.I cold-bent my windshields to fit my aluminum brackets. I don't think you can heat-form Lexan in an oven but then againmemory fades on what Bingelis sez about these things. I know he shows in his books how to heat form Plexiglass but thatstuff is a pain in the rectum to work with/ drill, cut.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: gcardinal
The only time I normally use the brakes on N502R is during the run up, the 360 traffic check and the 90 degree "put the tail towards the hanger" maneuver at the end of the flight. I would vote that brakes are very important, unless you only fly off of strips that have little or no other traffic. As a pilot, it is our responsibility to operate as safely as possible at all times. Another reason, even thou most think it'll never happen, is when it comes time to sell. Most buyers will not even consider buying a brakeless airplane. Just my two cents worth GeneN502R ----- Original Message -----
The only time I normally use the brakes on N502R is during the run up, the 360 traffic check and the 90 degree "put the tail towards the hanger" maneuver at the end of the flight. I would vote that brakes are very important, unless you only fly off of strips that have little or no other traffic. As a pilot, it is our responsibility to operate as safely as possible at all times. Another reason, even thou most think it'll never happen, is when it comes time to sell. Most buyers will not even consider buying a brakeless airplane. Just my two cents worth GeneN502R ----- Original Message -----
Fwd: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: using brakesLooks like we need to add Gas pumps Resaleany others?____________________________________
Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: using brakesLooks like we need to add Gas pumps Resaleany others?____________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
One key for cutting and drilling any plastic is "High speed - slow feed".AS&S sells a special bit for drilling plastics, with a much steeper angle onthe cutting faces. I bought one to make my windshields (I used plexiglas,not polycarbonate). It works well.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
One key for cutting and drilling any plastic is "High speed - slow feed".AS&S sells a special bit for drilling plastics, with a much steeper angle onthe cutting faces. I bought one to make my windshields (I used plexiglas,not polycarbonate). It works well.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
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Original Posted By: Ross Alexander