Original Posted By: Thomas Bernie
Assuming that I do not want to attach my wing fairings with leather lacinglike Larry Williams (a very nice touch), how are some of you attaching thealuminum fairing? The plans call for the 1/16" x 2" plywood, which will keepthe fabric from sucking in the rib, and provide an attach for the fairing.But there must be a trick way of backing up the screws. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Michael,Maby you could adapt the GN-1 style controls.TomIMG_1155IMG_1156IMG_1157IMG_1158IMG_1159On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Peter W Johnson wrote:> Michael,>> I used a push/pull system on my Piet. Check out Page 11 of the build > photos on http://www.cpc-world.com. You can also see the trim wheel > and spring system.>> Everything worked well but the rotation on the torque tube when > using aileron (and hence the rotation of the control rods) caused > one rod end on the rod between the control stick and the > intermediate lever to slacken off. It was not a problem other than > one rod end was not lock nutted. Page three of the build photos > shows the system in greater detail (the side ply is not on the side > of the fuse) so I hope you can understand how it all fits together > No problems were encountered in flight.>> Cheers>> Peter> Wonthaggi Australia> http://www.cpc-world.com>>
Michael,Maby you could adapt the GN-1 style controls.TomIMG_1155IMG_1156IMG_1157IMG_1158IMG_1159On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Peter W Johnson wrote:> Michael,>> I used a push/pull system on my Piet. Check out Page 11 of the build > photos on http://www.cpc-world.com. You can also see the trim wheel > and spring system.>> Everything worked well but the rotation on the torque tube when > using aileron (and hence the rotation of the control rods) caused > one rod end on the rod between the control stick and the > intermediate lever to slacken off. It was not a problem other than > one rod end was not lock nutted. Page three of the build photos > shows the system in greater detail (the side ply is not on the side > of the fuse) so I hope you can understand how it all fits together > No problems were encountered in flight.>> Cheers>> Peter> Wonthaggi Australia> http://www.cpc-world.com>>
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Don, what a beautiful photo! It just doesn't get any better than that! Did you design and build your skies??And your correct about dressing in layers. No one thinks a thing about running a snow machine when it's zero or 10 below. You just need to dress for it.Gene----- Original Message -----
Don, what a beautiful photo! It just doesn't get any better than that! Did you design and build your skies??And your correct about dressing in layers. No one thinks a thing about running a snow machine when it's zero or 10 below. You just need to dress for it.Gene----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Mine with the 3 piece and 65 Cont. weighs 607#--Jim Lagowski----- Original Message -----
Mine with the 3 piece and 65 Cont. weighs 607#--Jim Lagowski----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying
Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Some of you guys have all the luck... snow on the ground that stays around formore than 5 minutes and flat wheels!Oh dang... what am I saying? I like those 70 degree January days. Yep we haveem occasionally, I just hope I haven't jinxed us into having another ice storm.We have no idea how to cope with that stuff down here. Ha ha! Cool photo Don!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Some of you guys have all the luck... snow on the ground that stays around formore than 5 minutes and flat wheels!Oh dang... what am I saying? I like those 70 degree January days. Yep we haveem occasionally, I just hope I haven't jinxed us into having another ice storm.We have no idea how to cope with that stuff down here. Ha ha! Cool photo Don!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter flying
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Gene,The Pietenpol is an excellent skiplane, but has a lousy heater. I test flew mine on skis November 15, 1970 and recommend using skis for test flying from nice big fields and lakes. You can always take off and land into the wind if the area is large enough, and that is a real advantage for safety. Of course, one has to avoid snow drifts which can be rough enough to break something.Years ago I considered making a canopy for the rear cockpit, but never got around to doing it. A simple, side-hinged canopy would make a huge difference. The front pit would be covered because no passenger would be carried, unless he/she was crazy/tough enough to ride in the open cockpit. It would be more difficult to fit a canopy under the wing, but it's not impossible to do so.With the open cockpit, one can hear the heels of the skis dragging on the snow surface while landing and it is easy to land "by ear". If the temperature is at, or above, freezing, having face protection and warm clothes in layers will make the experience tolerable. It is great fun to race the snowmobiles and watch your shadow fleeting along the surface on a sunny day. Usually, with no wind, the air is smooth and the Pietenpol is delightful to fly under these conditions. In rough air, it is a handful. (Yesterday I flew mine--on wheels--and felt like a butterfly in a tornado. Not much fun doing that!)I used to fly my Pietenpol every month of the year and put it on skis every winter. I don't do that anymore because, while I am just as crazy as before, I'm not as tough as I used to be (I'll be 81 in December). But maybe I'll put it on skis again this coming winter for old times' sake. If I do, I'll let you know how it went.Cheers,Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada---where we are now on the cusp of winter)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT)
Gene,The Pietenpol is an excellent skiplane, but has a lousy heater. I test flew mine on skis November 15, 1970 and recommend using skis for test flying from nice big fields and lakes. You can always take off and land into the wind if the area is large enough, and that is a real advantage for safety. Of course, one has to avoid snow drifts which can be rough enough to break something.Years ago I considered making a canopy for the rear cockpit, but never got around to doing it. A simple, side-hinged canopy would make a huge difference. The front pit would be covered because no passenger would be carried, unless he/she was crazy/tough enough to ride in the open cockpit. It would be more difficult to fit a canopy under the wing, but it's not impossible to do so.With the open cockpit, one can hear the heels of the skis dragging on the snow surface while landing and it is easy to land "by ear". If the temperature is at, or above, freezing, having face protection and warm clothes in layers will make the experience tolerable. It is great fun to race the snowmobiles and watch your shadow fleeting along the surface on a sunny day. Usually, with no wind, the air is smooth and the Pietenpol is delightful to fly under these conditions. In rough air, it is a handful. (Yesterday I flew mine--on wheels--and felt like a butterfly in a tornado. Not much fun doing that!)I used to fly my Pietenpol every month of the year and put it on skis every winter. I don't do that anymore because, while I am just as crazy as before, I'm not as tough as I used to be (I'll be 81 in December). But maybe I'll put it on skis again this coming winter for old times' sake. If I do, I'll let you know how it went.Cheers,Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada---where we are now on the cusp of winter)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator
Original Posted By: H RULE
Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
Original Posted By: stephen labash
Dan wrote->what can you hear that suggests that there's>ice forming?[In the video, rolling to the centerline for takeoff,pilot advances the throttle, engine hesitates, andsomeone says] "carb heat!"Honestly, I didn't hear anything other than that.My engine has died a time or two in that verysituation, before I could apply carb heat. Now Ijust keep it pulled all the way from runup towheels off the ground on takeoff, and from justprior to power reduction on downwind, all the wayto the ground. Plus I blip the throttle periodicallyon base and final to clear the engine. Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Dan wrote->what can you hear that suggests that there's>ice forming?[In the video, rolling to the centerline for takeoff,pilot advances the throttle, engine hesitates, andsomeone says] "carb heat!"Honestly, I didn't hear anything other than that.My engine has died a time or two in that verysituation, before I could apply carb heat. Now Ijust keep it pulled all the way from runup towheels off the ground on takeoff, and from justprior to power reduction on downwind, all the wayto the ground. Plus I blip the throttle periodicallyon base and final to clear the engine. Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
All,I sent this out on Saturday, but got no feedback.it may have been lost inthe flurry of weekend work/flying/other subjects. I am looking for a goodway to attach the fairings between the wings and center section. AreTinnermans the only best way to go?GaryAssuming that I do not want to attach my wing fairings with leather lacinglike Larry Williams (a very nice touch), how are some of you attaching thealuminum fairing? The plans call for the 1/16" x 2" plywood, which will keepthe fabric from sucking in the rib, and provide an attach for the fairing.But there must be a trick way of backing up the screws. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)________________________________________________________________________________
All,I sent this out on Saturday, but got no feedback.it may have been lost inthe flurry of weekend work/flying/other subjects. I am looking for a goodway to attach the fairings between the wings and center section. AreTinnermans the only best way to go?GaryAssuming that I do not want to attach my wing fairings with leather lacinglike Larry Williams (a very nice touch), how are some of you attaching thealuminum fairing? The plans call for the 1/16" x 2" plywood, which will keepthe fabric from sucking in the rib, and provide an attach for the fairing.But there must be a trick way of backing up the screws. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: eng(at)canadianrogers.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I know, I know.that's what happens when I wake up early and drink too muchcoffee.I have seen the No-Fairing approach (on Greg & Dale's Piet) and actuallyprefer it. At the time of starting my center section I was in the GetBuilding and Quit Thinking About It mode. I went with the plans in hand andam no condemned to fairings.As always, I value your input. That may be the only viable choice, andcertainly easy. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.) _____
I know, I know.that's what happens when I wake up early and drink too muchcoffee.I have seen the No-Fairing approach (on Greg & Dale's Piet) and actuallyprefer it. At the time of starting my center section I was in the GetBuilding and Quit Thinking About It mode. I went with the plans in hand andam no condemned to fairings.As always, I value your input. That may be the only viable choice, andcertainly easy. Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.) _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: eng(at)canadianrogers.com
Kerri Anne Price has engineering drawings available for the "no gap method. The fittings are basically the same below the wing=2C just repositioned. I'm considering ordering them. But=2C I hesitate to deviate much from the plans.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioSubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairingsDate: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 13:46:30 -0400
Kerri Anne Price has engineering drawings available for the "no gap method. The fittings are basically the same below the wing=2C just repositioned. I'm considering ordering them. But=2C I hesitate to deviate much from the plans.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow OhioSubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairingsDate: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 13:46:30 -0400
Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets near Livermore CA?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim,So close, but so far! I'm stuck in Sacramento all week...About an hour south of Livermore is Charlie Miller's very excellent Piet.Charlie is a great guy, and for a case of wine you could probably talk himinto opening his hanger with the Piet and a nice Stinson 108!I think Charlie monitors this list, but here's his email:Charles.Miller(at)palm.com. He lives in Morgan Hill and flies out of FrazierLake Airpark (1C9).BTW - I'm kidding about the wine...Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Jim,So close, but so far! I'm stuck in Sacramento all week...About an hour south of Livermore is Charlie Miller's very excellent Piet.Charlie is a great guy, and for a case of wine you could probably talk himinto opening his hanger with the Piet and a nice Stinson 108!I think Charlie monitors this list, but here's his email:Charles.Miller(at)palm.com. He lives in Morgan Hill and flies out of FrazierLake Airpark (1C9).BTW - I'm kidding about the wine...Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Piets near Livermore CA?
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: eng(at)canadianrogers.com
What I have done is divide the distance between panels and extend the ply coveringto that point. I will do the same with the wing panels. There will be a small gap,maybe 1/8" that I will fill with a rubber T section. Look above the wing attachfitting and you will see the extension. the T section is kinda like the depictionbelow. Stuffed into the gap the wedgies hold it in place and the "D" covers the gap. <-<-D Clif Kerri Anne Price has engineering drawings available for the "no gap method. The fittings are basically the same below the wing, just repositioned. I'm considering ordering them. But, I hesitate to deviate much from the plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:46:30 -0400
What I have done is divide the distance between panels and extend the ply coveringto that point. I will do the same with the wing panels. There will be a small gap,maybe 1/8" that I will fill with a rubber T section. Look above the wing attachfitting and you will see the extension. the T section is kinda like the depictionbelow. Stuffed into the gap the wedgies hold it in place and the "D" covers the gap. <-<-D Clif Kerri Anne Price has engineering drawings available for the "no gap method. The fittings are basically the same below the wing, just repositioned. I'm considering ordering them. But, I hesitate to deviate much from the plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:46:30 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Clif,Thanks for the picture! You lost me with the "rubber T section" and "thewedgies", though. You say "wedgy" and my mind goes to a completely differentplace! Still, I think I get the picture that you have closed off the gap byextending the 1/16" plywood in to the area of the afore mentioned gap..Ilike that!Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.) _____
Clif,Thanks for the picture! You lost me with the "rubber T section" and "thewedgies", though. You say "wedgy" and my mind goes to a completely differentplace! Still, I think I get the picture that you have closed off the gap byextending the 1/16" plywood in to the area of the afore mentioned gap..Ilike that!Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down.) _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Thanks, i can't believe i missed that one. Does anyone know what color of yellow that is?Catdesigns wrote:> http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wings.htm> > > Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com> > > ---Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 0#266840le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks, i can't believe i missed that one. Does anyone know what color of yellow that is?Catdesigns wrote:> http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wings.htm> > > Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com> > > ---Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 0#266840le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "TOPGUN"
Here is the print of the tensioner.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabl ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Here is the print of the tensioner.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabl ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
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does anyone have better pictures of Kerri Anne's Piet? that is one beautiful plane.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
does anyone have better pictures of Kerri Anne's Piet? that is one beautiful plane.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "TOPGUN"
http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wing ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.com----- Original Message -----
http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wing ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.com----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: "TOPGUN"
Pietenpol's rib plans do not call for intercostal braces anterior and posterior to the two spars. Yet all the photos I have seen show them. Follow the plans or go with the many? Comments appreciated. Steve =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Pietenpol's rib plans do not call for intercostal braces anterior and posterior to the two spars. Yet all the photos I have seen show them. Follow the plans or go with the many? Comments appreciated. Steve =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3-piece wing fairings
Pietenpol-List: Re: Watch A Night to Thank Harrison Ford
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Thanks, i can't believe i missed that one. Does anyone know what color of yellowthat is?Catdesigns wrote:> http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wings.htm> > > Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com> > > ---Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Watch A Night to Thank Harrison Ford
Thanks, i can't believe i missed that one. Does anyone know what color of yellowthat is?Catdesigns wrote:> http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wings.htm> > > Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com> > > ---Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Watch A Night to Thank Harrison Ford
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Dang it... I meant to say there are a couple of connections in THIS one... http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... ------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Dang it... I meant to say there are a couple of connections in THIS one... http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... ------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator
Original Posted By:> Michael Perez
>> You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the > seat. Check out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and > see how he did it. Very nicely done.> Just make sure you don't change the control travel geometry.>> Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/ > pull tube will clean up the cockpit nicely.>> Greg C.> ----- Original Message -----
>> You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the > seat. Check out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and > see how he did it. Very nicely done.> Just make sure you don't change the control travel geometry.>> Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/ > pull tube will clean up the cockpit nicely.>> Greg C.> ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings
Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
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