Original Posted By: Doug Dever
What is an acceptable substitute for 1/8" mahogany plywood for the fuselage? Can't find it locally (Milwaukee) and shipping from AC Spruce is outrageous.Thanks,Jim________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
I am sure that Vi has one inch of dihedral. He stretched a string from wingtipto wingtip along the front spar and there is 1 inch at the center. Yes it isa one piece wing and he used his cast aluminum hinges for the rudder and elevator.I believe his aileron hinges are built to plans. The craftsmanship mustreally be seen to be appreciated. Ask him how he removed his completed wingfrom his basement workshop!Dan WilsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:25:05 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
I am sure that Vi has one inch of dihedral. He stretched a string from wingtipto wingtip along the front spar and there is 1 inch at the center. Yes it isa one piece wing and he used his cast aluminum hinges for the rudder and elevator.I believe his aileron hinges are built to plans. The craftsmanship mustreally be seen to be appreciated. Ask him how he removed his completed wingfrom his basement workshop!Dan WilsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:25:05 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: "Paul N. Peckham"
Jim,McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some therea few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its goodstuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage butthey only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn'tmatch up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for1/4" Okume.They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly.Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easilyenough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forgetit. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thickerspar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuffthey had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths.Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Jim,McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some therea few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its goodstuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage butthey only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn'tmatch up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for1/4" Okume.They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly.Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easilyenough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forgetit. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thickerspar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuffthey had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths.Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: "Paul N. Peckham"
Jim,McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some therea few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its goodstuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage butthey only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn'tmatch up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for1/4" Okume.They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly.Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easilyenough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forgetit. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thickerspar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuffthey had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths.Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Jim,McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some therea few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its goodstuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage butthey only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn'tmatch up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for1/4" Okume.They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly.Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easilyenough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forgetit. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thickerspar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuffthey had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths.Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Jim,McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some therea few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its goodstuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage butthey only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn'tmatch up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for1/4" Okume.They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly.Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easilyenough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forgetit. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thickerspar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuffthey had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths.Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Jim,McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some therea few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its goodstuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage butthey only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn'tmatch up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for1/4" Okume.They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly.Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easilyenough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forgetit. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thickerspar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuffthey had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths.Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck.PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Wow, thanks Russell! I'll have to keep your testing procedures around for future consideration. I talked with the folks at McCormick's in Madison about Okume but was not sure of it until I got yours, and others, responses.Thanks again,Jim ----- Original Message -----
Wow, thanks Russell! I'll have to keep your testing procedures around for future consideration. I talked with the folks at McCormick's in Madison about Okume but was not sure of it until I got yours, and others, responses.Thanks again,Jim ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Hi Ryan,Yes I did. I was unsure of using Okume as a substitute until I got people's responses. McCormick's quoted me $75 per 4x8 sheet. Allot better than AC Spruce plus $100 for shipping.Thanks,Jim ----- Original Message -----
Hi Ryan,Yes I did. I was unsure of using Okume as a substitute until I got people's responses. McCormick's quoted me $75 per 4x8 sheet. Allot better than AC Spruce plus $100 for shipping.Thanks,Jim ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: "Paul N. Peckham"
Thanks Paul,I did contact them and also got good feedback from the group on Okume. Thanks for the spar report too. That's next and I would prefer to go through them.Thanks again,Jim----- Original Message -----
Thanks Paul,I did contact them and also got good feedback from the group on Okume. Thanks for the spar report too. That's next and I would prefer to go through them.Thanks again,Jim----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: emergency runways
Original Posted By: "CraigM"
Jim,IMHO a good place to look are boat building yards. Attached is a link to a goodlist of them throughout the country. I get wood for my boat from a yard in NorthCarolina, and found very nice Okoume (BS 1088), 4 x 8 sheets: 1/8" @ $35;1/4" @ $55. When we described the Piet project, he talked our ears off then gaveus a discount off the total. If you can find some place local and preventshipping, you can save a bundle.SteveAnother wood source wed site.....http://www.glen-l.com/resources/lumber- ... s.htmlRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: emergency runways
Jim,IMHO a good place to look are boat building yards. Attached is a link to a goodlist of them throughout the country. I get wood for my boat from a yard in NorthCarolina, and found very nice Okoume (BS 1088), 4 x 8 sheets: 1/8" @ $35;1/4" @ $55. When we described the Piet project, he talked our ears off then gaveus a discount off the total. If you can find some place local and preventshipping, you can save a bundle.SteveAnother wood source wed site.....http://www.glen-l.com/resources/lumber- ... s.htmlRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: emergency runways
Original Posted By: Wayne Bressler
Hi There,Well, I certainly know about the dumb ads on EmergencyRunways.com... I'm the founderand have been trying to change the ads!It's not true that there isn't some degree of control. You can put HTML tags inthe site code that tells Google to pay attention to this section and/or ignorethis section. And I've done that, but it still wants to put anxiety/panicattack ads.... Grrr... Really need to figure it out soon since I expect to begetting a lot more traffic in the near future - I'm in the process of formingpartnerships with two of the top portable aviation GPS companies.CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi There,Well, I certainly know about the dumb ads on EmergencyRunways.com... I'm the founderand have been trying to change the ads!It's not true that there isn't some degree of control. You can put HTML tags inthe site code that tells Google to pay attention to this section and/or ignorethis section. And I've done that, but it still wants to put anxiety/panicattack ads.... Grrr... Really need to figure it out soon since I expect to begetting a lot more traffic in the near future - I'm in the process of formingpartnerships with two of the top portable aviation GPS companies.CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: emergency runways
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
Why not just ax the ads?Wayne Bressler Jr.Taildraggers, Inc.taildraggersinc.comSent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.On Oct 11, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "CraigM" wrote:>> Hi There,>> Well, I certainly know about the dumb ads on > EmergencyRunways.com... I'm the founder and have been trying to > change the ads!>>________________________________________________________________________________
Why not just ax the ads?Wayne Bressler Jr.Taildraggers, Inc.taildraggersinc.comSent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.On Oct 11, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "CraigM" wrote:>> Hi There,>> Well, I certainly know about the dumb ads on > EmergencyRunways.com... I'm the founder and have been trying to > change the ads!>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Quiet
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
It's been awful quiet the last day or so. Everyone must be building or flying. Me=2C I'm blowing leaves. I blow leaves every day from now until the first week of Nov.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quiet
It's been awful quiet the last day or so. Everyone must be building or flying. Me=2C I'm blowing leaves. I blow leaves every day from now until the first week of Nov.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quiet
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
I think everyone else is doing similar stuff. Mowing for the last time, raking/blowingleaves, winterizing their boat/pool, putting fresh sand in the horseshoepits and GETTING READY FOR THE RED RIVER RIVALRY NEXT SATURDAY! Woooo Hooo.Go Texas! Ha ha! Yeah, one of the few games I get excited about, but it is officially beerand BBQ time... then back to my wings.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/long ... ______Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:35:53 -0500
I think everyone else is doing similar stuff. Mowing for the last time, raking/blowingleaves, winterizing their boat/pool, putting fresh sand in the horseshoepits and GETTING READY FOR THE RED RIVER RIVALRY NEXT SATURDAY! Woooo Hooo.Go Texas! Ha ha! Yeah, one of the few games I get excited about, but it is officially beerand BBQ time... then back to my wings.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/long ... ______Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:35:53 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> oo.com>> > I just quickly scanned the answers but didn't see what I would say is a big reason- if you are running the leaf type tail spring like I am-as it flattens out it will get longer and if you have no springs in there to give it some relief something is going to give. might not notice it at the time but who knows what damage could occur? maybe a cracked rudder=2Cbent control horn or such? Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 328#267328> > > > > > > ============================================> > > =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:32:41 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> oo.com>> > I just quickly scanned the answers but didn't see what I would say is a big reason- if you are running the leaf type tail spring like I am-as it flattens out it will get longer and if you have no springs in there to give it some relief something is going to give. might not notice it at the time but who knows what damage could occur? maybe a cracked rudder=2Cbent control horn or such? Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 328#267328> > > > > > > ============================================> > > =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:32:41 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Original Posted By: "chase143"
Apples and oranges. As has been noted=2C with our type of standard=2C curvedsprings=2C the wheel moves further aft as it moves upward. The Sonex springis a long straight bar=2C parallel with the cables that does NOT get longer with weight on it.Hence=2C no need for the springs.ClifSonex runs a direct linkage and uses a round springDoug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohiost">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ionHotmail: Trusted email with Micros7141664/direct/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
Apples and oranges. As has been noted=2C with our type of standard=2C curvedsprings=2C the wheel moves further aft as it moves upward. The Sonex springis a long straight bar=2C parallel with the cables that does NOT get longer with weight on it.Hence=2C no need for the springs.ClifSonex runs a direct linkage and uses a round springDoug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohiost">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ionHotmail: Trusted email with Micros7141664/direct/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. =0A_________________________________________________________________=0AHotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood