Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Pietenpol-List: Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Pietenpol-List: Re: Upper Flying Strut Fitting, Possibe Plans
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
> ** Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: "Dan Yocum"
Dan, up to a point I agree with you. I think what Harvey is trying to say is that if you take off at too steep of an angle and your airspeed is low and the engine quites close to the ground, you don't have time to push your nose over and build up flying speed before you hit the ground. It's all quite different than being let off a tow at 200 feet. I've had two friends die because of steep takeoffs close to the ground. One only killed himself but the other killed his 4 yr old son, his father-in-law and himself. It went down in front of his wife and his mother-in-law. He was flying a super cub (as was the other), had thousands of hours as an Alaskan Fish and Game pilot and was showing off. As I say, very different than a 200' release with a glider.Gene----- Original Message -----
Dan, up to a point I agree with you. I think what Harvey is trying to say is that if you take off at too steep of an angle and your airspeed is low and the engine quites close to the ground, you don't have time to push your nose over and build up flying speed before you hit the ground. It's all quite different than being let off a tow at 200 feet. I've had two friends die because of steep takeoffs close to the ground. One only killed himself but the other killed his 4 yr old son, his father-in-law and himself. It went down in front of his wife and his mother-in-law. He was flying a super cub (as was the other), had thousands of hours as an Alaskan Fish and Game pilot and was showing off. As I say, very different than a 200' release with a glider.Gene----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: "Dan Yocum"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera Dan, up to a point I agree with you. I think what Harvey is trying to say is that if you take off at too steep of an angle and your airspeed is low and the engine quites close to the ground, you don't have time to push your nose over and build up flying speed before you hit the ground. It's all quite different than being let off a tow at 200 feet. I've had two friends die because of steep takeoffs close to the ground. One only killed himself but the other killed his 4 yr old son, his father-in-law and himself. It went down in front of his wife and his mother-in-law. He was flying a super cub (as was the other), had thousands of hours as an Alaskan Fish and Game pilot and was showing off. As I say, very different than a 200' release with a glider. Gene ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera Dan, up to a point I agree with you. I think what Harvey is trying to say is that if you take off at too steep of an angle and your airspeed is low and the engine quites close to the ground, you don't have time to push your nose over and build up flying speed before you hit the ground. It's all quite different than being let off a tow at 200 feet. I've had two friends die because of steep takeoffs close to the ground. One only killed himself but the other killed his 4 yr old son, his father-in-law and himself. It went down in front of his wife and his mother-in-law. He was flying a super cub (as was the other), had thousands of hours as an Alaskan Fish and Game pilot and was showing off. As I say, very different than a 200' release with a glider. Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: H RULE
Harvey, just got my puter to work properly and I was able to watch Jeff's take off and I personally don't see a problem with his angle of take off. He wasn't at such an acute angle that he wouldn't have time to drop the nose and keep flying speed.Just my 2 cents worthGene ----- Original Message -----
Harvey, just got my puter to work properly and I was able to watch Jeff's take off and I personally don't see a problem with his angle of take off. He wasn't at such an acute angle that he wouldn't have time to drop the nose and keep flying speed.Just my 2 cents worthGene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: Gene & Tammy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new cameraI'm with Gene on this assessment. Departure stalls happen with an engine failurebecause the instant loss of thrust is accompanied by a dramatic increase inangle of attack. Remember the old pictures of the relative airflow in a fullpower climb as compared to a power off nose high attitude. That relative airflowchanges very quickly with a power loss to the point that the wing will reachits critical angle of attack before the pilot can react to it. Try it at2000 feet. With full power, briskly pull the nose up until you reach your departureclimb speed, then retard the throttle to idle and see the result. I'dsuggest after you try that your climb angle on departure will become a littlemore conservative. As an aside, the climb angle of a transport category airliner on departure is necessaryto meet the stages of minimum net flight path altitudes on departureand are designed to be sustainable in the event of a thrust loss in one engine(one... Because they have more than one...) Scott Knowlton (slow builder in Burlington)-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new cameraI'm with Gene on this assessment. Departure stalls happen with an engine failurebecause the instant loss of thrust is accompanied by a dramatic increase inangle of attack. Remember the old pictures of the relative airflow in a fullpower climb as compared to a power off nose high attitude. That relative airflowchanges very quickly with a power loss to the point that the wing will reachits critical angle of attack before the pilot can react to it. Try it at2000 feet. With full power, briskly pull the nose up until you reach your departureclimb speed, then retard the throttle to idle and see the result. I'dsuggest after you try that your climb angle on departure will become a littlemore conservative. As an aside, the climb angle of a transport category airliner on departure is necessaryto meet the stages of minimum net flight path altitudes on departureand are designed to be sustainable in the event of a thrust loss in one engine(one... Because they have more than one...) Scott Knowlton (slow builder in Burlington)-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera
Original Posted By: H RULE
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Original Posted By: H RULE