Original Posted By: airlion
Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponderHello good people.....A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisiteskill levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention from the outside world.The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other buildersequipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend buildutilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a moreaccomplished state of being a Pietenpol.I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or wouldbe builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next or greater level of completion.This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to helpanother builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be portable. Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and another builder to a next level of completion.I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help. Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for identification purposes. I know how this works.Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking with gas! What say you?John________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: V Groah
Sounds like a Pietenpol for Humanity project. Something to think about. I thinka workshop experience like W. Wynne does with his Corvair engines would beof interest. I kind of like to work by myself and have most of the tools I need,but would be interested in weekend workshop devoted to the various types ofconstruction needed for a Piet or GN-1. A series of workshops to cover mostof the processes. Might be helpful to work with a local EAA chapter.Jon Adirondack Park, NY--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Sounds like a Pietenpol for Humanity project. Something to think about. I thinka workshop experience like W. Wynne does with his Corvair engines would beof interest. I kind of like to work by myself and have most of the tools I need,but would be interested in weekend workshop devoted to the various types ofconstruction needed for a Piet or GN-1. A series of workshops to cover mostof the processes. Might be helpful to work with a local EAA chapter.Jon Adirondack Park, NY--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Original Posted By:> airlion(at)bellsouth.net
There is a product called Quick Polly. It works well on floats. I have used it several times. It is a 2 part mix epoxy and cures in about 10 minutes. It has the viscosity of paint thinner and soaks in a bit. The instuctions that came with the packaging said it is good for sealing gas tanks. I don't have the source at the monent but could look it up on the internet like I did to find it the last time. Good luck Vic MX414MV> Date: Fri=2C 19 Mar 2010 16:05:50 -0700
There is a product called Quick Polly. It works well on floats. I have used it several times. It is a 2 part mix epoxy and cures in about 10 minutes. It has the viscosity of paint thinner and soaks in a bit. The instuctions that came with the packaging said it is good for sealing gas tanks. I don't have the source at the monent but could look it up on the internet like I did to find it the last time. Good luck Vic MX414MV> Date: Fri=2C 19 Mar 2010 16:05:50 -0700
> Pietenpol-List: cork float
Original Posted By: Jim
Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Don't forget that the solvent that makes shellac liquid is alcohol, preferablygrain alky. So be very careful with auto fuel.http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htmI had two other really good shellac sites but one got blowed up real goodwhen Geocities melted down and the other just dissappeared!Clif>> HI Rick and all,> I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it > is not bothered by the fuel.> Jim________________________________________________________________________________
Don't forget that the solvent that makes shellac liquid is alcohol, preferablygrain alky. So be very careful with auto fuel.http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htmI had two other really good shellac sites but one got blowed up real goodwhen Geocities melted down and the other just dissappeared!Clif>> HI Rick and all,> I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it > is not bothered by the fuel.> Jim________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
I'd be interested in something like this, but not for a year or two. My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, and setting up & trammeling the wings. Within the year I will have moved my project into a more or less dedicated 24 x 30' workspace right at my house & I expect the pace tpick up quite a bit at that time.I've actually been hoping to find someone locally who would like to come in as a partner on my project, because I think it's a more sustainable use of resources to share a plane, and i also think the build process would be more fun, but no luck so far.Kip GardnerOn Mar 19, 2010, at 8:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:> Hello good people.....>> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.>> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as > fellow lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the > design genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the > aeroplane. We as a collection of builders have at our disposal > some, many and all of the requisite skill levels to construct such > a machine with little assistance or intervention from the outside > world.>> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be > lacking in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a > reality. From prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has > a skill set that is good in some areas and not so good in others. > Knowing these basic tenants I am curious as to who or what builders > would welcome the talents of other builders equipped with tools and > skills would be interested in having a group of builders show up at > their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build > utilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand > to accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the > tools to get the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal > workers, mechanical workers and the like showing up to get a build > from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a > Pietenpol.>> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and > resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to > participate in building another Piet as one group. The other group > would be a builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in > advancing their project to a next or greater level of completion.>> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I > have both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other > that are portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to > speak of. I also have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to > a build site for a few days to help another builder. There are > others with tools and skills that may also be portable.>> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would > be willing to share their time and expertise to get another build > moving and another builder to a next level of completion.>> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week > end to help and how many would be interested in receiving those > willing to help.>> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know > if there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.>> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for > identification purposes. I know how this works.>> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped > provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we > are cooking with gas!>> What say you?>>> John>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork floatDate: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:18:07 -0400
I'd be interested in something like this, but not for a year or two. My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, and setting up & trammeling the wings. Within the year I will have moved my project into a more or less dedicated 24 x 30' workspace right at my house & I expect the pace tpick up quite a bit at that time.I've actually been hoping to find someone locally who would like to come in as a partner on my project, because I think it's a more sustainable use of resources to share a plane, and i also think the build process would be more fun, but no luck so far.Kip GardnerOn Mar 19, 2010, at 8:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:> Hello good people.....>> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.>> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as > fellow lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the > design genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the > aeroplane. We as a collection of builders have at our disposal > some, many and all of the requisite skill levels to construct such > a machine with little assistance or intervention from the outside > world.>> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be > lacking in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a > reality. From prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has > a skill set that is good in some areas and not so good in others. > Knowing these basic tenants I am curious as to who or what builders > would welcome the talents of other builders equipped with tools and > skills would be interested in having a group of builders show up at > their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build > utilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand > to accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the > tools to get the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal > workers, mechanical workers and the like showing up to get a build > from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a > Pietenpol.>> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and > resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to > participate in building another Piet as one group. The other group > would be a builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in > advancing their project to a next or greater level of completion.>> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I > have both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other > that are portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to > speak of. I also have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to > a build site for a few days to help another builder. There are > others with tools and skills that may also be portable.>> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would > be willing to share their time and expertise to get another build > moving and another builder to a next level of completion.>> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week > end to help and how many would be interested in receiving those > willing to help.>> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know > if there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.>> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for > identification purposes. I know how this works.>> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped > provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we > are cooking with gas!>> What say you?>>> John>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork floatDate: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:18:07 -0400
Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Sorry for the big pictures, didn't intend to cause anybody problems.Thanks for the kudos, they weren't why I sent the pics, but they areappreciated. Once she was together and clean at an actual airfield, it justseemd like a formal photo shoot was the closing of one chapter, and gettingready to open the next.Someone asked about paint, I used regular old dope for everything except thelogo and the gold edging. I used "one-shot" sign paint for painting thelogo and edging. It's all hand painted, and when you get close, you cantell. But I wanted it to look like a couple of kids put it together in1933.Hopefully the weather will give Lowell a couple of days window to get downhere and do the honors.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:48:04 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Sorry for the big pictures, didn't intend to cause anybody problems.Thanks for the kudos, they weren't why I sent the pics, but they areappreciated. Once she was together and clean at an actual airfield, it justseemd like a formal photo shoot was the closing of one chapter, and gettingready to open the next.Someone asked about paint, I used regular old dope for everything except thelogo and the gold edging. I used "one-shot" sign paint for painting thelogo and edging. It's all hand painted, and when you get close, you cantell. But I wanted it to look like a couple of kids put it together in1933.Hopefully the weather will give Lowell a couple of days window to get downhere and do the honors.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:48:04 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: "Mike King"
Speaking of metalworking you too can be an expert cowlmakerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4CcczpZFs&fea ... elatedClif . My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________
Speaking of metalworking you too can be an expert cowlmakerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4CcczpZFs&fea ... elatedClif . My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
Original Posted By: walt
My 1940 Cont. A-80 does the same thing. What an incredible engine.I have the original engine log and it served many an airplane....includingmilitary training in the past 70 years.Mike KingGN-177MKCorpus Christi, Texas----- Original Message -----
My 1940 Cont. A-80 does the same thing. What an incredible engine.I have the original engine log and it served many an airplane....includingmilitary training in the past 70 years.Mike KingGN-177MKCorpus Christi, Texas----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
Original Posted By: "Mike King"
I have to agree with you guys. Amazing and incredible. I love my ol' A 65. So reliable. Once you've owned and flown behind one you understand why they're so loved.GeneN502R----- Original Message -----
I have to agree with you guys. Amazing and incredible. I love my ol' A 65. So reliable. Once you've owned and flown behind one you understand why they're so loved.GeneN502R----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: H RULE
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: H RULE
No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting. A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the work involved in the wings. Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting. A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the work involved in the wings. Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: Steve Ruse
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the work involvedin the wings. Dick N.> -----------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:45:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the work involvedin the wings. Dick N.> -----------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:45:31 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponderNo, that couldn't be done.=EF=BD Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.=EF=BD A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone.=EF=BD Just think of the work involved in the wings.=EF=BD Dick N.> -----------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponderNo, that couldn't be done.=EF=BD Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.=EF=BD A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone.=EF=BD Just think of the work involved in the wings.=EF=BD Dick N.> -----------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: H RULE
Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: Steve Ruse
om>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?Thanks,Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 3#291233le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:56:50 -0400
om>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?Thanks,Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 3#291233le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:56:50 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?Thanks,Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 233#29123= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.com/Na============ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?Thanks,Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 233#29123= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.com/Na============ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: "Jack"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html JackDSMwww.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage UpdateDate: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:25:13 -0400
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html JackDSMwww.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage UpdateDate: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:25:13 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Looking very nice, JackJack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Looking very nice, JackJack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: Pastor Mike Townsley
Subject: Pietenpol-List: for the absolute best source of Pietenpol photos anywhereBy far, without question, Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet web site has the finest selection of Pietenpol photos anywhere.http://www.westcoastpiet.com/pictures.htmYou could spend hours here easily and you'll see more detail and more planes than you wouldsee in going to five Brodhead events. (but come anyway, please......especially if you wear high black dress socks upto your knees in sandals with suspenders, a plaid shirt, and wear a pith helmet)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:54:44 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Subject: Pietenpol-List: for the absolute best source of Pietenpol photos anywhereBy far, without question, Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet web site has the finest selection of Pietenpol photos anywhere.http://www.westcoastpiet.com/pictures.htmYou could spend hours here easily and you'll see more detail and more planes than you wouldsee in going to five Brodhead events. (but come anyway, please......especially if you wear high black dress socks upto your knees in sandals with suspenders, a plaid shirt, and wear a pith helmet)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:54:44 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describesit in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does$1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent priceexperience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to domyself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?Thanks,Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describesit in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does$1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent priceexperience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to domyself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?Thanks,Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
RE: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sounds like a good price to me, Steve. I paid $1500 for my A-65 asliterally a box of parts 10 years ago. I put another $6,000 into it inoverhauling it, including new cylinders and pistons, new camshaft, newmagnetos, etc.As for overhauling it yourself, I heartily recommend it. Buy the Mattituckvideo on how to overhaul an O-200 (available from AS&S) and just follow thesame procedures. Overhaul manuals for A65's are readily available. Theyare pretty easy to follow and few special tools are required, other than apiston ring compressor. When you are done, you will know your enginethoroughly.Jack Phillips-----Original Message-----
Sounds like a good price to me, Steve. I paid $1500 for my A-65 asliterally a box of parts 10 years ago. I put another $6,000 into it inoverhauling it, including new cylinders and pistons, new camshaft, newmagnetos, etc.As for overhauling it yourself, I heartily recommend it. Buy the Mattituckvideo on how to overhaul an O-200 (available from AS&S) and just follow thesame procedures. Overhaul manuals for A65's are readily available. Theyare pretty easy to follow and few special tools are required, other than apiston ring compressor. When you are done, you will know your enginethoroughly.Jack Phillips-----Original Message-----
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Steve; that sounds like a piece of junk and you should run away as fast as youcan. Dangerous, unreliable. Give me your friend's name and phone number so Ican buy it and keep you out of trouble ;o)Seriously, you should jump on it. I just sold the A65 that came out of 41CC fora good deal more than that, so I think you'll be getting a great deal. Notethe recent emails from Walt and others on how nice these old Continentals are.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Steve; that sounds like a piece of junk and you should run away as fast as youcan. Dangerous, unreliable. Give me your friend's name and phone number so Ican buy it and keep you out of trouble ;o)Seriously, you should jump on it. I just sold the A65 that came out of 41CC fora good deal more than that, so I think you'll be getting a great deal. Notethe recent emails from Walt and others on how nice these old Continentals are.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
With accessories and even if it is run-out, that is a good price.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800Madison, WI 53718Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Mar 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, chase143(at)aol.com wrote:> > A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?> Thanks,> Steve> > --------> Steve> www.mypiet.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 233#291233> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
With accessories and even if it is run-out, that is a good price.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800Madison, WI 53718Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Mar 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, chase143(at)aol.com wrote:> > A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?> Thanks,> Steve> > --------> Steve> www.mypiet.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 233#291233> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: Gerry Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Seeing the bare fuselage gives an idea of just how robust the Piet airframe is.Those beefy 1x1 framing members really make for a stout airplane.Very clean work, Jack.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Seeing the bare fuselage gives an idea of just how robust the Piet airframe is.Those beefy 1x1 framing members really make for a stout airplane.Very clean work, Jack.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: Jim
Great replies all!!~I believe it is certified, has all log books (and many spare parts)~Jack, I will look for the video, I'd like to rebuild myself (I have a ring compressorI once used on my 351 Cleveland)~Steve, very interesting stats, I will look up the EAA article.~Thanks for all the offers to take off my hands! That answers my question! lolI think it's a done deal! Thanks again.Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:46:02 +0000 (GMT)
Great replies all!!~I believe it is certified, has all log books (and many spare parts)~Jack, I will look for the video, I'd like to rebuild myself (I have a ring compressorI once used on my 351 Cleveland)~Steve, very interesting stats, I will look up the EAA article.~Thanks for all the offers to take off my hands! That answers my question! lolI think it's a done deal! Thanks again.Steve--------Stevewww.mypiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:46:02 +0000 (GMT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: "Mike King"
Beautiful work Jack! I hope mine will look as good.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Beautiful work Jack! I hope mine will look as good.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Same here. Can't beat the Cont. Mine is 70 years old and hasplenty left in her. Like the guys say......BUY IT.Mike King77MKGN-1Corpus Christi----- Original Message -----
Same here. Can't beat the Cont. Mine is 70 years old and hasplenty left in her. Like the guys say......BUY IT.Mike King77MKGN-1Corpus Christi----- Original Message -----
Original Posted By:Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry "Dick N"
So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials or willwe spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through scraps?Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement? [Laughing][quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a completeship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a weekendof intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything in needof help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,scheduleand raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps, jiggingand a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend.I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there were interested partiesmaybe in 6 month or soJohn
So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials or willwe spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through scraps?Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement? [Laughing][quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a completeship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a weekendof intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything in needof help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,scheduleand raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps, jiggingand a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend.I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there were interested partiesmaybe in 6 month or soJohn
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
I didn't read the article =2C but I think it will say that frequency is more important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't even come close to TBO=2C but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The last airplane we had was still flying with good numbers past TBO. It was flown 150hrs/yr.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/the ... __________
I didn't read the article =2C but I think it will say that frequency is more important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't even come close to TBO=2C but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The last airplane we had was still flying with good numbers past TBO. It was flown 150hrs/yr.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/the ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By:Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry "Dick N"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponderMark,I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear, cabane's and struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainless done and the firewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to begin my trial fits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had 2 tanks nearly built however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made large profile brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exactly right. First arc big honking holes.Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Piet and I amplanning the construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hitsme. Right now we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service torun my welders and compressor and the airport only provides one single 110 v 15 amp circuit. not nearly enough for serious builders with tools.Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I amready to move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks all the day. JohnBring it on home boyIn a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hangar10(at)cox.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials or will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through scraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement? [Laughing][quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a complete ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything in need of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,schedule and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough benchspace,clamps, jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there were interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponderMark,I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear, cabane's and struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainless done and the firewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to begin my trial fits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had 2 tanks nearly built however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made large profile brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exactly right. First arc big honking holes.Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Piet and I amplanning the construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hitsme. Right now we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service torun my welders and compressor and the airport only provides one single 110 v 15 amp circuit. not nearly enough for serious builders with tools.Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I amready to move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks all the day. JohnBring it on home boyIn a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hangar10(at)cox.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials or will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through scraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement? [Laughing][quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a complete ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything in need of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,schedule and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough benchspace,clamps, jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there were interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponderDan,That is exactly the concept. Living in Lancaster PA we often have a chance to run across an Amish barn being built, just like in the movie Witness or a Kingdom Hall like the Jehovah witnesses. Really its about a bunch of folks pitching in to get another Piet project off the ground.I am certain that much can be accomplished is short order with the right hands doing there best to make it happen. To me it sounds like fun and a chance to learn from all the others there is much for each of us to share and learn.JohnIn a message dated 3/22/2010 12:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum(at)fnal.gov writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum John,Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and means committee, though. *sigh*Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs and tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?DanOn 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:> Hello good people.....> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little> assistance or intervention from the outside world.> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn,> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished> state of being a Pietenpol.> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their> project to a next or greater level of completion.> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills> that may also be portable.> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving> and another builder to a next level of completion.> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to> help.> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for> identification purposes. I know how this works.> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking> with gas!> What say you?> John>> *>>> *-- Dan YocumFermilab 630.840.6509yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponderDan,That is exactly the concept. Living in Lancaster PA we often have a chance to run across an Amish barn being built, just like in the movie Witness or a Kingdom Hall like the Jehovah witnesses. Really its about a bunch of folks pitching in to get another Piet project off the ground.I am certain that much can be accomplished is short order with the right hands doing there best to make it happen. To me it sounds like fun and a chance to learn from all the others there is much for each of us to share and learn.JohnIn a message dated 3/22/2010 12:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum(at)fnal.gov writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum John,Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and means committee, though. *sigh*Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs and tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?DanOn 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:> Hello good people.....> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little> assistance or intervention from the outside world.> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn,> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished> state of being a Pietenpol.> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their> project to a next or greater level of completion.> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills> that may also be portable.> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving> and another builder to a next level of completion.> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to> help.> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for> identification purposes. I know how this works.> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking> with gas!> What say you?> John>> *>>> *-- Dan YocumFermilab 630.840.6509yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: Steve Ruse
Yuck!Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a binder underyour workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't actually be areal workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can see what the otherend of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm jealous?)Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:23:51 -0400
Yuck!Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a binder underyour workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't actually be areal workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can see what the otherend of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm jealous?)Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:23:51 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article
Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By:> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry "Dick N"
Ok, I was just trying to be funny. Kind of like... maybe you were recruiting toget some cheap labor. Thanks for the update. LOL![quote="Amsafetyc"]Mark, I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear, cabane'sand struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainless done and thefirewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to begin my trialfits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had 2 tanks nearlybuilt however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made large profile brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exactly right. First arcbig honking holes. Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Pietand I am planningthe construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hits me. Rightnow we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service to run my weldersand compressor and the airport only provides one single 110 v 15 amp circuit.not nearly enough for serious builders with tools. Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I am readyto move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks all the day. John Bring it on home boy In a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hangar10(at)cox.netwrites:> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" > > So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materialsor will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting throughscraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement? > > [Laughing]> > [quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a completeship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for aweekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everythingin need of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,scheduleand raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps,jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tailfeathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if therewere interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Ok, I was just trying to be funny. Kind of like... maybe you were recruiting toget some cheap labor. Thanks for the update. LOL![quote="Amsafetyc"]Mark, I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear, cabane'sand struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainless done and thefirewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to begin my trialfits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had 2 tanks nearlybuilt however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made large profile brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exactly right. First arcbig honking holes. Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Pietand I am planningthe construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hits me. Rightnow we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service to run my weldersand compressor and the airport only provides one single 110 v 15 amp circuit.not nearly enough for serious builders with tools. Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I am readyto move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks all the day. John Bring it on home boy In a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hangar10(at)cox.netwrites:> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" > > So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materialsor will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting throughscraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement? > > [Laughing]> > [quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a completeship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for aweekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everythingin need of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,scheduleand raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps,jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tailfeathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if therewere interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Original Posted By: "walt"
Oh yeah?Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oh yeah?Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Original Posted By: Jim Ash
Jim,In answer to your #1, It doesn't have to be certified to have a fly off hour of 25. Mine wasn't and I did the 25 hour Phase 1.Just my 2 cents.walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Jim,In answer to your #1, It doesn't have to be certified to have a fly off hour of 25. Mine wasn't and I did the 25 hour Phase 1.Just my 2 cents.walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oh yeah?Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right I gotrid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet mistress.BJ-----Original Message-----
Oh yeah?Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right I gotrid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet mistress.BJ-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: jeff wilson
Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Remember guys, as some famous writer said,,,"Its not the destination,,,but the journey that's important"I loved working on my Piet,,,without any kind of pressure."some like to build,,and some like to fly""don't build to fly" but "build to build"walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Remember guys, as some famous writer said,,,"Its not the destination,,,but the journey that's important"I loved working on my Piet,,,without any kind of pressure."some like to build,,and some like to fly""don't build to fly" but "build to build"walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Original Posted By: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Bj,Wow,I think I like you!walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Bj,Wow,I think I like you!walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----