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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I'm in the process of ballasting my Piet up to gross weight to complete phase 1, and when you think about piling 200 pounds on that seat, you will be glad you put in all the bracing(I added extra) that the plans call for.=C2- Remember if the seat collapses, you lose rudder control, possibly ailerons and elevator too.=C2- Once again you get to hear someone say " build it to the plans, build it to the plans.."Ben CharvetOn 3/26/2010 8:50 PM, gcardinal wrote: Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking side-to-side.=C2-Greg Cardinal=C2------ Original Message -----
I'm in the process of ballasting my Piet up to gross weight to complete phase 1, and when you think about piling 200 pounds on that seat, you will be glad you put in all the bracing(I added extra) that the plans call for.=C2- Remember if the seat collapses, you lose rudder control, possibly ailerons and elevator too.=C2- Once again you get to hear someone say " build it to the plans, build it to the plans.."Ben CharvetOn 3/26/2010 8:50 PM, gcardinal wrote: Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking side-to-side.=C2-Greg Cardinal=C2------ Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "gtche98"
Jack asked:>I noticed when you "attach" pictures they are in>a link form below the attachment area. How is that>done?I think if you post the email via the MatronicsPiet forum rather than the email list and add theattachment there, the link to the attachment shows upin your post.If you are on the digest version of the email list(which I am), this can be very useful because aseveryone who takes the digest knows, attachments don'tcome through in the daily digest. On the forum, theydo.I take the digest so I won't spend as much time readingPiet emails at work, but I find myself logging ontothe forum to check them anyway. PS, if you want toget me in trouble, call my boss, Pat Griffith, at(210)522-5533 and tell him I'm reading airplane emailsinstead of working. Maybe he'll fire me and I can gowork on airplanes full-time instead of being an engineer.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Jack asked:>I noticed when you "attach" pictures they are in>a link form below the attachment area. How is that>done?I think if you post the email via the MatronicsPiet forum rather than the email list and add theattachment there, the link to the attachment shows upin your post.If you are on the digest version of the email list(which I am), this can be very useful because aseveryone who takes the digest knows, attachments don'tcome through in the daily digest. On the forum, theydo.I take the digest so I won't spend as much time readingPiet emails at work, but I find myself logging ontothe forum to check them anyway. PS, if you want toget me in trouble, call my boss, Pat Griffith, at(210)522-5533 and tell him I'm reading airplane emailsinstead of working. Maybe he'll fire me and I can gowork on airplanes full-time instead of being an engineer.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I willbe spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of now, Ihave not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair Venture. Ittook him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird (see pic).Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own "family"plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at Oshkosh in 2008,I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since. We have now settledon the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to start construction in thefall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to the August time frame.1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop a networkof local builders.2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can! 3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options (especiallyWilliam Wynne's Corvair option).4 - Order PlansAs a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice youmight provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a Pietenpolin the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear from you.I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!GaryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vent ... __________
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I willbe spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of now, Ihave not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair Venture. Ittook him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird (see pic).Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own "family"plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at Oshkosh in 2008,I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since. We have now settledon the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to start construction in thefall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to the August time frame.1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop a networkof local builders.2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can! 3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options (especiallyWilliam Wynne's Corvair option).4 - Order PlansAs a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice youmight provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a Pietenpolin the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear from you.I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!GaryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vent ... __________
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
If you're only going to have one airplane, get one with more seats than your family, so you can take friends along as well as family.Make sure that it has a closed cockpit and a heater, so that you can actually use it in a practical manner.It should have a cruise speed of at least twice the speed of a car, point to point, or else it won't get used for traveling. The "at least" is pretty important, by the way.David Paule________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
If you're only going to have one airplane, get one with more seats than your family, so you can take friends along as well as family.Make sure that it has a closed cockpit and a heater, so that you can actually use it in a practical manner.It should have a cruise speed of at least twice the speed of a car, point to point, or else it won't get used for traveling. The "at least" is pretty important, by the way.David Paule________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
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Gary,Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear18 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Gary,Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear18 ribs done-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the ListsGary,Welcome to the fold. If I may comment on your strategy I would suggest you buy the plans and begin building ASAP so when you arrive at Brodhead you have a bit of build experience to guide your picture taking, question asking and research. Its much easier to ask great questions and get solid advice when your approach is from the actual build and not the virtual or conceptual aspects of the build.Having been down that road and still in the build I found it much more to my benefit and comprehension to ask questions from experience rather than the theoretical. You will also find that since no two are alike designs and dimensions will differ from drawings to actual examples.During my travels of meeting other builders even before I began to build my project, its hard to appreciate the advice you may receive.One of the best pieces I got was from Hans Vandervort, he said that "many builders spent too much time looking at and studying the drawings trying to figure things out, you just need to start building and the rest will come to you as you go". The design and build leaves much to the builder own initiative and creativity which is where the no two like comes from.The bad news is the plans and drawings are not there insert flap A into slot B they do require some reasoning the good news is they require some reasoning and allow you the builder to make it your airplane. You just have tobe ready for that. And when you get stuck or hit the builders block, pull back give her a good long look and shell talk to ya, she'll tell ya what has to be done next. You just have to be willing to listen to her.I love the process and most importantly I really love my new found friends and getting to see them each year at Brodhead. I can wait for July to get here. For me its Christmas, my birthday, the Holy Grail and Mecca all rolled up into one spectacular event of friendship, airplanes, stories, jokes and good old fashion telling lies, oh yeah(warning, watch out for Markle)!Hope to see ya there.JohnIn a message dated 3/27/2010 3:43:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" Gary,Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear18 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the ListsGary,Welcome to the fold. If I may comment on your strategy I would suggest you buy the plans and begin building ASAP so when you arrive at Brodhead you have a bit of build experience to guide your picture taking, question asking and research. Its much easier to ask great questions and get solid advice when your approach is from the actual build and not the virtual or conceptual aspects of the build.Having been down that road and still in the build I found it much more to my benefit and comprehension to ask questions from experience rather than the theoretical. You will also find that since no two are alike designs and dimensions will differ from drawings to actual examples.During my travels of meeting other builders even before I began to build my project, its hard to appreciate the advice you may receive.One of the best pieces I got was from Hans Vandervort, he said that "many builders spent too much time looking at and studying the drawings trying to figure things out, you just need to start building and the rest will come to you as you go". The design and build leaves much to the builder own initiative and creativity which is where the no two like comes from.The bad news is the plans and drawings are not there insert flap A into slot B they do require some reasoning the good news is they require some reasoning and allow you the builder to make it your airplane. You just have tobe ready for that. And when you get stuck or hit the builders block, pull back give her a good long look and shell talk to ya, she'll tell ya what has to be done next. You just have to be willing to listen to her.I love the process and most importantly I really love my new found friends and getting to see them each year at Brodhead. I can wait for July to get here. For me its Christmas, my birthday, the Holy Grail and Mecca all rolled up into one spectacular event of friendship, airplanes, stories, jokes and good old fashion telling lies, oh yeah(warning, watch out for Markle)!Hope to see ya there.JohnIn a message dated 3/27/2010 3:43:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" Gary,Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear18 ribs done-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Gary: where are you located? It helps you getmore help if you have other builders/pilotsnearby, so if you'll indicate where you'relocated, nearby builders might respond.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Gary: where are you located? It helps you getmore help if you have other builders/pilotsnearby, so if you'll indicate where you'relocated, nearby builders might respond.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cloudcars prop on N502R
Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
Jerry, sorry it took me so long to get back with you. He will "skin" the prop with glass if you wish.Gene----- Original Message -----
Jerry, sorry it took me so long to get back with you. He will "skin" the prop with glass if you wish.Gene----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "coxwelljon"
Thanks Gene. I hope it will be Ok. I will be operating 99% of the time off grass.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Thanks Gene. I hope it will be Ok. I will be operating 99% of the time off grass.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Gary,Welcome. You will find this to be a great list and a tremendous resource.I agree with Rick's and John's posts above. Get the plans and some material andget into the process as soon as you can. You already know that a home-builtaircraft can take 20 years. If you have your time and some resources investedit will be incentive to keep plugging along. I have wanted to build since 1968 and put it off until I purchased someones project4 years ago. If I had started when I first had the dream I would have beendone twice. I always thought I could not afford it but it is a lot easierto put out a little money at a time over a longer period of time. I will alsoemphasize the importance of EAA. I belonged to the national organization foryears but not a local until 6 years ago. Your local guys and gals will be tremendousencouragement. I would also add that if you do not have your license, try to carve out the resourcesto do that. Sport pilot may be a good way to go if you can find a schoolin your area. Flying different kinds of airplanes also may be informativeas to what kind of flying you will want to do. I was fortunate and had my privatelicense before I even knew EAA existed. Being able to get into the air keptmy dream alive. Originally I thought building would be an inexpensive way to own an airplane. Now I realize that building is for the sake of building and flying what you havebuilt. In all of these years of dreaming I owned 5 factory built airplaneswhich allowed me to perfect my skills and get a lot of experience, but flyingmy GN-1 when it is finished, I expect will rank right up there as one of myfavorite accomplishments. Good Luck and good building.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Gary,Welcome. You will find this to be a great list and a tremendous resource.I agree with Rick's and John's posts above. Get the plans and some material andget into the process as soon as you can. You already know that a home-builtaircraft can take 20 years. If you have your time and some resources investedit will be incentive to keep plugging along. I have wanted to build since 1968 and put it off until I purchased someones project4 years ago. If I had started when I first had the dream I would have beendone twice. I always thought I could not afford it but it is a lot easierto put out a little money at a time over a longer period of time. I will alsoemphasize the importance of EAA. I belonged to the national organization foryears but not a local until 6 years ago. Your local guys and gals will be tremendousencouragement. I would also add that if you do not have your license, try to carve out the resourcesto do that. Sport pilot may be a good way to go if you can find a schoolin your area. Flying different kinds of airplanes also may be informativeas to what kind of flying you will want to do. I was fortunate and had my privatelicense before I even knew EAA existed. Being able to get into the air keptmy dream alive. Originally I thought building would be an inexpensive way to own an airplane. Now I realize that building is for the sake of building and flying what you havebuilt. In all of these years of dreaming I owned 5 factory built airplaneswhich allowed me to perfect my skills and get a lot of experience, but flyingmy GN-1 when it is finished, I expect will rank right up there as one of myfavorite accomplishments. Good Luck and good building.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Welcome to the List, Gary.You begin by stating that you have not built an airplane before - well, that immediatelygives you something in common with a lot of us (maybe most of us). Itseems that most Pietenpol builders are first time builders. The constructionis fairly basic - just like building a BIG model airplane, except you won't needto use giant Tee-pins. The Questair Venture is most definitely a unique aircraft,and surely more complex than a Pietenpol. Both are sure to gather a crowdat a fly-in.Like the others have said, move "order the plans" up to the top of your list ofthings to do. Once you get them, and study them a bit, you'll come up with abunch of questions. When you do come up with the questions, check out the MatronicsPietenpol List Archives. There is a very useful search function that willmost likely result in answers to your questions. If you can't find answers there,then post your question here, and somebody will most likely know exactlywhat you're asking about.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Welcome to the List, Gary.You begin by stating that you have not built an airplane before - well, that immediatelygives you something in common with a lot of us (maybe most of us). Itseems that most Pietenpol builders are first time builders. The constructionis fairly basic - just like building a BIG model airplane, except you won't needto use giant Tee-pins. The Questair Venture is most definitely a unique aircraft,and surely more complex than a Pietenpol. Both are sure to gather a crowdat a fly-in.Like the others have said, move "order the plans" up to the top of your list ofthings to do. Once you get them, and study them a bit, you'll come up with abunch of questions. When you do come up with the questions, check out the MatronicsPietenpol List Archives. There is a very useful search function that willmost likely result in answers to your questions. If you can't find answers there,then post your question here, and somebody will most likely know exactlywhat you're asking about.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
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Original Posted By: "gtche98"
Dan,Thanks... I think."Egg-headed" ???How eloquent.Would you LIKE to have a ghost writer?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Dan,Thanks... I think."Egg-headed" ???How eloquent.Would you LIKE to have a ghost writer?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: "David Paule"
Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciateit, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days,months, years. To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take thatinto consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live onlyminutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will besignificant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both everyyear for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wantingto dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list.Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville,WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville,which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangementsto meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love toknow if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that DocMosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I willsecure my local chapter membership.David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a littlebit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love todo), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately doesnot support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entirefamily will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying,one family member at a time.Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!GaryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciateit, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days,months, years. To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take thatinto consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live onlyminutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will besignificant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both everyyear for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wantingto dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list.Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville,WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville,which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangementsto meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love toknow if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that DocMosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I willsecure my local chapter membership.David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a littlebit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love todo), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately doesnot support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entirefamily will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying,one family member at a time.Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!GaryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By:> gtche98
Gary:I would buy these 2 publications from the EAA, the 1932 and 1933 Flying andGlider Manuals. These are the Pietenpol publications from the early '30s.They included the plans plus construction notes. For only $6.95 each, itswell worth the price. Some have actually built from these publicationsalone, though if you purchase the plans, you will not only have moredetail, but also all of the plan updates. Here is a link http://www.shopeaa.com/search.aspx?find=pietenpolRick SchreiberValparaiso, IN> [Original Message]
Gary:I would buy these 2 publications from the EAA, the 1932 and 1933 Flying andGlider Manuals. These are the Pietenpol publications from the early '30s.They included the plans plus construction notes. For only $6.95 each, itswell worth the price. Some have actually built from these publicationsalone, though if you purchase the plans, you will not only have moredetail, but also all of the plan updates. Here is a link http://www.shopeaa.com/search.aspx?find=pietenpolRick SchreiberValparaiso, IN> [Original Message]
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Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome GaryGary, Welcome to the list. A great source of photos already exists of Pietenpols thatChris Tracy has so kindly posted for us all and you don't have to even stepfoot outside your house to hundreds and hundreds of great photos of all kindsof different Piets and Piet building ideas for you. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/To order plans, the Pietenpol family web site is here: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Lastly, save yourself tons of time and money by having the Sportplane Builder seriesof books by Tony Bingelis at your side during building. These books wereinstrumental in helping answer a zillion of my questions without ever havingto post, ask, or wander around wondering what my options were or how I shouldgo about a certain part of the building process. Don't rely on old wives talesor heresay---go to these books. You'll get the straight poop without any BSand there are great sketches, diagrams, and a complete index to guide you toyour answers. There are FOUR books in this series and I highly recommend getting the whole enchiladaright up front. Merry Christmas. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/ ... lis.htmlIf you're not a pilot Gary or don't have any tailwheel time I would visit SteveKrog at Hartford, WI and take an hour of dual in one of his J-3 Cubs to see ifyou even like low and slow old fashioned flying. Just a thought, your mileagemay vary. http://www.sportpilot.org/learntofly/ar ... tmlFinally, don't listen to anything that Jim Markle, myself, or Jack Phillips posts.Mike C.NX48MC________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome GaryGary, Welcome to the list. A great source of photos already exists of Pietenpols thatChris Tracy has so kindly posted for us all and you don't have to even stepfoot outside your house to hundreds and hundreds of great photos of all kindsof different Piets and Piet building ideas for you. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/To order plans, the Pietenpol family web site is here: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Lastly, save yourself tons of time and money by having the Sportplane Builder seriesof books by Tony Bingelis at your side during building. These books wereinstrumental in helping answer a zillion of my questions without ever havingto post, ask, or wander around wondering what my options were or how I shouldgo about a certain part of the building process. Don't rely on old wives talesor heresay---go to these books. You'll get the straight poop without any BSand there are great sketches, diagrams, and a complete index to guide you toyour answers. There are FOUR books in this series and I highly recommend getting the whole enchiladaright up front. Merry Christmas. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/ ... lis.htmlIf you're not a pilot Gary or don't have any tailwheel time I would visit SteveKrog at Hartford, WI and take an hour of dual in one of his J-3 Cubs to see ifyou even like low and slow old fashioned flying. Just a thought, your mileagemay vary. http://www.sportpilot.org/learntofly/ar ... tmlFinally, don't listen to anything that Jim Markle, myself, or Jack Phillips posts.Mike C.NX48MC________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."David Paule> >> That seems like a strange response to Gary's question.> This IS the Pietenpol List - which means it is about building and flying a > two-seat, open cockpit, antiquey plane that, under certain circumstances > can reach speeds approaching that of an average car.> I don't think anyone builds a Pietenpol expecting it to transport a whole > family (plus friends) in enclosed, heated comfort, in half the time that a > car takes..... ________________________________________________________________________________
As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."David Paule> >> That seems like a strange response to Gary's question.> This IS the Pietenpol List - which means it is about building and flying a > two-seat, open cockpit, antiquey plane that, under certain circumstances > can reach speeds approaching that of an average car.> I don't think anyone builds a Pietenpol expecting it to transport a whole > family (plus friends) in enclosed, heated comfort, in half the time that a > car takes..... ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Yup - Already have the 32 F&G Manual, and have read BPs article about 30 times!Someone earlier in the thread had mentioned Chris's website and I am working myway through it now. It will take quite some time as he has built up an impressivevault of information.Thanks for the information!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Yup - Already have the 32 F&G Manual, and have read BPs article about 30 times!Someone earlier in the thread had mentioned Chris's website and I am working myway through it now. It will take quite some time as he has built up an impressivevault of information.Thanks for the information!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dadbuild a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumedwas meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project.Different interpretations of the same words, I guess.Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVERhaving an airplane, for the vast majority of us.Bill C.Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the ListsAs I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."David PauleRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:45:21 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dadbuild a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumedwas meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project.Different interpretations of the same words, I guess.Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVERhaving an airplane, for the vast majority of us.Bill C.Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the ListsAs I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."David PauleRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:45:21 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the ListsActually the Piet qualifies quite well, during 1929 and 30 the auto didn't travel much faster than 40 mph, young family, wife if she could stand the ride, the first child or family dog. It all seems to fit quite well. Its an airplane not a jet, but they didn't have Jets back in those days and if you dressed properly as if you were riding in your open top car it was pretty much the same environment. Except for the road dirt and dust in your face. Here in Lancaster County Pa the roads contain more than dust and dirt, our Amish community family and work transportation sees to that aspect.JohnIn a message dated 3/29/2010 11:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billspiet(at)sympatico.ca writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project.Different interpretations of the same words, I guess.Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.Bill C.Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the ListsAs I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."David PauleRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:26:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the ListsActually the Piet qualifies quite well, during 1929 and 30 the auto didn't travel much faster than 40 mph, young family, wife if she could stand the ride, the first child or family dog. It all seems to fit quite well. Its an airplane not a jet, but they didn't have Jets back in those days and if you dressed properly as if you were riding in your open top car it was pretty much the same environment. Except for the road dirt and dust in your face. Here in Lancaster County Pa the roads contain more than dust and dirt, our Amish community family and work transportation sees to that aspect.JohnIn a message dated 3/29/2010 11:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billspiet(at)sympatico.ca writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project.Different interpretations of the same words, I guess.Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.Bill C.Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the ListsAs I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."David PauleRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:26:26 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as fast as a car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater and is out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. Your choice of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available.But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a practical family airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one.David Paule>> Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would > mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:04:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as fast as a car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater and is out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. Your choice of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available.But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a practical family airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one.David Paule>> Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would > mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:04:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I can imagine a family with two children going an airport 40 miles away forbreakfast would look something like this. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%2 ... av.jpgLook closely, and count the people.ChrisSacramento,CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
I can imagine a family with two children going an airport 40 miles away forbreakfast would look something like this. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%2 ... av.jpgLook closely, and count the people.ChrisSacramento,CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists>>> Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very muchappreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in theupcoming days, months, years. >> To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainlytake that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project,and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither ofthese will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipatebeing at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, youall have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have tomove that one up the list.>> Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am inGreenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Pietbuilder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...Iwill be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the nearfuture. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also,my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter,so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership.>> David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle justa little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which Iwould love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budgetdefinately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a familyairplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop alove for low and slow flying, one family member at a time.>> Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!>> Gary>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:28:27 -0500
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists>>> Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very muchappreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in theupcoming days, months, years. >> To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainlytake that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project,and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither ofthese will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipatebeing at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, youall have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have tomove that one up the list.>> Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am inGreenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Pietbuilder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...Iwill be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the nearfuture. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also,my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter,so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership.>> David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle justa little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which Iwould love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budgetdefinately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a familyairplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop alove for low and slow flying, one family member at a time.>> Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!>> Gary>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:28:27 -0500