Original Posted By: "Mike Whaley"
Can some of you who have installed full length piano hinges for the ailerons pleaseexplain how you did it. Can I glue in both of the 1/2 inch beams and thendrill the holes for the hinge later? Or do I need to drill the holes beforegluing them in. If you glued both in the wing, how did you hold the hinge in placewhen you drilled the holes? And how did you know you were going to hit thehinge in the correct place? As always pictures of you doing this are alwaysappreciated.Thanks Chris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge instalation
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "David Paule"
All right, I admit it I made a newbie mistake. I asked before I searched the archives. As usual I found a wealth of information in the archives on piano hingeinstallation and even found pictures on Jack Textors website. When willI learn?To answer my own question, I can glue in the two aileron spars and then cut outthe aileron for hinge installation. Rolled hinges are ok and cheaper, use 100degree counter sunk holes not the 80 degree or use low profile head screws (mypersonal choice). Install nut plates on the back with glue and screws.Ok, now that that is solved you can all get back to working on your planes.ThanksChris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
All right, I admit it I made a newbie mistake. I asked before I searched the archives. As usual I found a wealth of information in the archives on piano hingeinstallation and even found pictures on Jack Textors website. When willI learn?To answer my own question, I can glue in the two aileron spars and then cut outthe aileron for hinge installation. Rolled hinges are ok and cheaper, use 100degree counter sunk holes not the 80 degree or use low profile head screws (mypersonal choice). Install nut plates on the back with glue and screws.Ok, now that that is solved you can all get back to working on your planes.ThanksChris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By:> Catdesigns
Chris,I started to respond when your second e-mail came in. I was going tosay.......Here is what I did. Both of the 1/2 inch beams were glued in place as wasall of the filler strips between the rib cap strips, before the aileronsare cut free. When locating the 1/2 inch false spars, make sure you havethe proper gap between them. If the gap is not the right size for yourpiano hinge size and location, the aileron trailing edge will not line upwith the wing. Once the ailerons were finished with all bracing in place,I cut the ailerons free. Next sand the face of the 1/2 inch false spars sothat the cut off cap strips are flush with the flat surface. I have attached some photos. I did not countersink the holes, but usedwasher head screws instead. There was no problem with clearance. Watch thelocation of the mounting holes on the aileron. There is not much wood onthe back of the aileron false spar due to the shape of the aileron.Regards,Rick Schreiber> [Original Message]
Chris,I started to respond when your second e-mail came in. I was going tosay.......Here is what I did. Both of the 1/2 inch beams were glued in place as wasall of the filler strips between the rib cap strips, before the aileronsare cut free. When locating the 1/2 inch false spars, make sure you havethe proper gap between them. If the gap is not the right size for yourpiano hinge size and location, the aileron trailing edge will not line upwith the wing. Once the ailerons were finished with all bracing in place,I cut the ailerons free. Next sand the face of the 1/2 inch false spars sothat the cut off cap strips are flush with the flat surface. I have attached some photos. I did not countersink the holes, but usedwasher head screws instead. There was no problem with clearance. Watch thelocation of the mounting holes on the aileron. There is not much wood onthe back of the aileron false spar due to the shape of the aileron.Regards,Rick Schreiber> [Original Message]
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Chris, the one question you didn't ask and answer yourself was whether ornot to use a single 6' hinge per side, or multiple short pieces. Mike Cuyused a single long hinge on each aileron. I used Tony Bingelis' suggestionto use several short pieces so that any flex of the wing in flight doesn'tcause the ailerons to bind. Forget that stuff - use one long hinge. Mucheasier to mount and keep it aligned. Also allows for easy removal of theaileron by just pulling the hinge pin. Each of my pins are peened in placeand they can't be removed, meaning if I have to remove an aileron, I have toremove all those screws.If I flexed my wing enough to cause the hinges to bind I'd pass out from theG loading.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Chris, the one question you didn't ask and answer yourself was whether ornot to use a single 6' hinge per side, or multiple short pieces. Mike Cuyused a single long hinge on each aileron. I used Tony Bingelis' suggestionto use several short pieces so that any flex of the wing in flight doesn'tcause the ailerons to bind. Forget that stuff - use one long hinge. Mucheasier to mount and keep it aligned. Also allows for easy removal of theaileron by just pulling the hinge pin. Each of my pins are peened in placeand they can't be removed, meaning if I have to remove an aileron, I have toremove all those screws.If I flexed my wing enough to cause the hinges to bind I'd pass out from theG loading.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By:> Catdesigns
ChrisThe space between my aileron bay false spar and the edge/corner of theaileron false spar was 3/16 inch. Once the wing false spar was glued inplace I clamped three or four 3/16 inch shims in place and then glued inthe aileron false spar. I have a autocad drwing of what I did if you canread it.Your sure right about the drill guide. I use it all the time. Rick> [Original Message]
ChrisThe space between my aileron bay false spar and the edge/corner of theaileron false spar was 3/16 inch. Once the wing false spar was glued inplace I clamped three or four 3/16 inch shims in place and then glued inthe aileron false spar. I have a autocad drwing of what I did if you canread it.Your sure right about the drill guide. I use it all the time. Rick> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
Drill guide: What one are you folks using? Where do you purchase one? I have a very old one, but there must be a better one since this one was manufactured 50 years ago!Thanks,Ray Krause----- Original Message -----
Drill guide: What one are you folks using? Where do you purchase one? I have a very old one, but there must be a better one since this one was manufactured 50 years ago!Thanks,Ray Krause----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Jeff wilson"
I will take a picture and send it along, If I can figure how to do it! I inherited it from my Dad.Ray Krause----- Original Message -----
I will take a picture and send it along, If I can figure how to do it! I inherited it from my Dad.Ray Krause----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge instalation>>> Can some of you who have installed full length piano hinges for theailerons please explain how you did it. Can I glue in both of the 1/2 inchbeams and then drill the holes for the hinge later? Or do I need to drillthe holes before gluing them in. If you glued both in the wing, how did youhold the hinge in place when you drilled the holes? And how did you knowyou were going to hit the hinge in the correct place? As always picturesof you doing this are always appreciated.>> Thanks >> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:39:53 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge instalation>>> Can some of you who have installed full length piano hinges for theailerons please explain how you did it. Can I glue in both of the 1/2 inchbeams and then drill the holes for the hinge later? Or do I need to drillthe holes before gluing them in. If you glued both in the wing, how did youhold the hinge in place when you drilled the holes? And how did you knowyou were going to hit the hinge in the correct place? As always picturesof you doing this are always appreciated.>> Thanks >> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:39:53 -0400 (EDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I needed. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch falsespars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I needed. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch falsespars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Chris"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help Ineeded. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all thetime. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch falsespars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on myhinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help Ineeded. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all thetime. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch falsespars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on myhinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help Ineeded. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false spars?I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help Ineeded. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false spars?I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help Ineeded. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all thetime. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch falsespars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on myhinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>> Rick>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help Ineeded. I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all thetime. Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch falsespars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on myhinge.>> Chris>> --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> > Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: "Ray Krause"
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation> >> > >> > Rick> >> > Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I> needed. > I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,> don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the> time. > Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false> spars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my> hinge.> >> > Chris> >> > --------> > Chris> > Sacramento, CA> > WestCoastPiet.com> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 013#295013> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation> >> > >> > Rick> >> > Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I> needed. > I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,> don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the> time. > Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false> spars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my> hinge.> >> > Chris> >> > --------> > Chris> > Sacramento, CA> > WestCoastPiet.com> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 013#295013> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
Original Posted By: Jeff wilson
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>>>>> Rick>>>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I needed.> I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,> don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time.> Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false> spars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.>>>> Chris>>>> -------->> Chris>> Sacramento, CA>> WestCoastPiet.com>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 013#295013>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation>>>>>> Rick>>>> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I needed.> I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,> don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time.> Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false> spars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.>>>> Chris>>>> -------->> Chris>> Sacramento, CA>> WestCoastPiet.com>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 013#295013>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________________