Original Posted By: Michael Perez
While looking at my horizontal stab, which I had already seceretly messed up, Ithought it may have looked a little larger than 18". After measuring it surein deed it was! Gosh darn it! I guess I must be using a bad ruler. Well backto the new jig and it will all be done by tomorrow night. Good thing is Iget to play with my new table saw! Wish me luck! This time I'll use the correctruler.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: first really big mistake!
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first really big mistake!
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Re: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: "Dan Yocum"
Dan,It's listed in your operating limitations. Most say 12 calendar months, just as you thought. Not a clue as to the FAR number.Perry RhoadsN12939----- Original Message -----
Dan,It's listed in your operating limitations. Most say 12 calendar months, just as you thought. Not a clue as to the FAR number.Perry RhoadsN12939----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: "Perry Rhoads"
It is 12 calendar months so you have until the end of June. The wording is probablycontained in your operating limitations. It will read something like this:"No person must operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12 calendar monthsit has had a condition inspection performed in accordance with the scopeand detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved programs, and wasfound to be in a condition for safe operation. As part of the condition inspection,cockpit instruments must be appropriately marked and needed placards installedin accordance with 91.9. In addition, system-essential controls must bein good condition, securely mounted, clearly marked, and provide for ease ofoperation. This inspection will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records."-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jun 3, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:> > Hi all,> > Apparently my google kung-fu is weak, today. I can't seem to find the correctverbiage in the FARs regarding the period of time allowed between conditioninspections amateur-built experimental aircraft and the person who is doing theinspection is telling me something different.> > I *think* that a condition inspection is valid from the time of inspection untilthe end of the month in the following year, but my A&P is saying that it endsexactly 1 year, to the day, after the prior inspection was completed.> > For example, the last inspection on N8031 was done on 6/12/09. I think the inspectionis valid until the end of June, 2010. My A&P says I need to get itdone by 6/12/10.> > Can anyone point me to the correct FAR?> > Thanks,> Dan> > PS. It's sort-of a moot point since I've got him scheduled to do the inspectionon 6/8, but this is driving me crazy.> > -- > Dan Yocum> Fermilab 630.840.6509> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
It is 12 calendar months so you have until the end of June. The wording is probablycontained in your operating limitations. It will read something like this:"No person must operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12 calendar monthsit has had a condition inspection performed in accordance with the scopeand detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved programs, and wasfound to be in a condition for safe operation. As part of the condition inspection,cockpit instruments must be appropriately marked and needed placards installedin accordance with 91.9. In addition, system-essential controls must bein good condition, securely mounted, clearly marked, and provide for ease ofoperation. This inspection will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records."-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jun 3, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:> > Hi all,> > Apparently my google kung-fu is weak, today. I can't seem to find the correctverbiage in the FARs regarding the period of time allowed between conditioninspections amateur-built experimental aircraft and the person who is doing theinspection is telling me something different.> > I *think* that a condition inspection is valid from the time of inspection untilthe end of the month in the following year, but my A&P is saying that it endsexactly 1 year, to the day, after the prior inspection was completed.> > For example, the last inspection on N8031 was done on 6/12/09. I think the inspectionis valid until the end of June, 2010. My A&P says I need to get itdone by 6/12/10.> > Can anyone point me to the correct FAR?> > Thanks,> Dan> > PS. It's sort-of a moot point since I've got him scheduled to do the inspectionon 6/8, but this is driving me crazy.> > -- > Dan Yocum> Fermilab 630.840.6509> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspectionsDan-- the short answer is you are correct. The last sign off is good until theend of the month of the year following the date of sign off. (that's why smartshoppers try to get a plane signed off near the 1st of the month, just likeyour medical or flight review) The The long answer is I can't find the FAR just yet which specifies thisbut know it follows the same scope as an annual inspection for certified aircraft.A condition inspection is required every 12 calendar months on amateur-built aircraft.This check is similar to an annual inspection required by FAR Part 43on production airplanes. The Phase 2 Operating Limitations specifically referto FAR Part 43, Appendix D, as the guide to performing this inspection. The inspectioncan be performed by any licensed A & P mechanic, an FAA Approved RepairStation, or by the builder of the airplane provided the builder obtains a "Repairman'sCertificate" from the FAA. FAA Advisory Circular 65-23A is availablefor information concerning application and privileges of this certificate.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:20:07 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspections
Subject: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspectionsDan-- the short answer is you are correct. The last sign off is good until theend of the month of the year following the date of sign off. (that's why smartshoppers try to get a plane signed off near the 1st of the month, just likeyour medical or flight review) The The long answer is I can't find the FAR just yet which specifies thisbut know it follows the same scope as an annual inspection for certified aircraft.A condition inspection is required every 12 calendar months on amateur-built aircraft.This check is similar to an annual inspection required by FAR Part 43on production airplanes. The Phase 2 Operating Limitations specifically referto FAR Part 43, Appendix D, as the guide to performing this inspection. The inspectioncan be performed by any licensed A & P mechanic, an FAA Approved RepairStation, or by the builder of the airplane provided the builder obtains a "Repairman'sCertificate" from the FAA. FAA Advisory Circular 65-23A is availablefor information concerning application and privileges of this certificate.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:20:07 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspections
Pietenpol-List: Re: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
FAR 43.1 (b) says "This part does not apply to any aircraft for which the FAA hasissued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued adifferent kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft." FAR 91.319 (i)indirectly deals with the condition inspection deal. The FAR's are pretty vaguewhen it comes to Experimentals. If you understand the deal with FAR 91.319(i) is talking about your operating limitations which were issued when theairworthiness certificate was issued. Phase 1 and Phase 2 of your operating limitationswill indicate when the condition inspections are due. I found a PowerPoint presentation done by Jim Pratt, FAA Aviation Safety Inspector of theDetroit Manufacturing Satellite Inspection Office on the faa.gov website. Idon't know how old the presentation is. There was a link to an information siteat the end of the presentation, and it doesn't work. I also did a quick searchat faa.gov looking for amateur built aircraft condition inspection, and cameup with 193 possibilities.Bottom line is your Operating Limitations should tell you how often and how longthey are good for on the yearly condition inspections--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:58:28 -0500
FAR 43.1 (b) says "This part does not apply to any aircraft for which the FAA hasissued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued adifferent kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft." FAR 91.319 (i)indirectly deals with the condition inspection deal. The FAR's are pretty vaguewhen it comes to Experimentals. If you understand the deal with FAR 91.319(i) is talking about your operating limitations which were issued when theairworthiness certificate was issued. Phase 1 and Phase 2 of your operating limitationswill indicate when the condition inspections are due. I found a PowerPoint presentation done by Jim Pratt, FAA Aviation Safety Inspector of theDetroit Manufacturing Satellite Inspection Office on the faa.gov website. Idon't know how old the presentation is. There was a link to an information siteat the end of the presentation, and it doesn't work. I also did a quick searchat faa.gov looking for amateur built aircraft condition inspection, and cameup with 193 possibilities.Bottom line is your Operating Limitations should tell you how often and how longthey are good for on the yearly condition inspections--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:58:28 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Most likely that will be the case, but it can vary, especially when the airplanesare in different parts of the country, and the builders are using differentDAR's or FSDO personnel. One inspector might not like a particular model, andmight put more restrictive limitations on a model, than another inspector. It is not supposed to be that way, but........--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Most likely that will be the case, but it can vary, especially when the airplanesare in different parts of the country, and the builders are using differentDAR's or FSDO personnel. One inspector might not like a particular model, andmight put more restrictive limitations on a model, than another inspector. It is not supposed to be that way, but........--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: period between condition inspections
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: period between condition inspections
Re: Pietenpol-List: period between condition inspections
Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
I just had my condition inspection done today, 6/3/2010. My last insp. was 5/1/2009. He said it should be done by the end of the month of the previous yr. In my case , I just couldn't fly on Jun1st or 2nd.On Jun 3, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:>> Hi all,>> Apparently my google kung-fu is weak, today. I can't seem to find > the correct verbiage in the FARs regarding the period of time > allowed between condition inspections amateur-built experimental > aircraft and the person who is doing the inspection is telling me > something different.>> I *think* that a condition inspection is valid from the time of > inspection until the end of the month in the following year, but my > A&P is saying that it ends exactly 1 year, to the day, after the > prior inspection was completed.>> For example, the last inspection on N8031 was done on 6/12/09. I > think the inspection is valid until the end of June, 2010. My A&P > says I need to get it done by 6/12/10.>> Can anyone point me to the correct FAR?>> Thanks,> Dan>> PS. It's sort-of a moot point since I've got him scheduled to do the > inspection on 6/8, but this is driving me crazy.>> -- > Dan Yocum> Fermilab 630.840.6509> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things.">>________________________________________________________________________________
I just had my condition inspection done today, 6/3/2010. My last insp. was 5/1/2009. He said it should be done by the end of the month of the previous yr. In my case , I just couldn't fly on Jun1st or 2nd.On Jun 3, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:>> Hi all,>> Apparently my google kung-fu is weak, today. I can't seem to find > the correct verbiage in the FARs regarding the period of time > allowed between condition inspections amateur-built experimental > aircraft and the person who is doing the inspection is telling me > something different.>> I *think* that a condition inspection is valid from the time of > inspection until the end of the month in the following year, but my > A&P is saying that it ends exactly 1 year, to the day, after the > prior inspection was completed.>> For example, the last inspection on N8031 was done on 6/12/09. I > think the inspection is valid until the end of June, 2010. My A&P > says I need to get it done by 6/12/10.>> Can anyone point me to the correct FAR?>> Thanks,> Dan>> PS. It's sort-of a moot point since I've got him scheduled to do the > inspection on 6/8, but this is driving me crazy.>> -- > Dan Yocum> Fermilab 630.840.6509> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things.">>________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder cable tension changes in motion
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Michael,I have just had my control cables adjusted (on a Zodiac 601XL) and the guydoing it used a similar tensiometer. He had a conversion chart to convertthe reading to pounds dependant on cable size.I can't say what the 2.5 means but it seems light. Don't forget, the distance from the center of the rudder bar to the cableattach point is not the same as the rudder control horn distance. There willbe some difference in the geometry and therefore tension.I made mine "about right" when the rudder was straight.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com
Michael,I have just had my control cables adjusted (on a Zodiac 601XL) and the guydoing it used a similar tensiometer. He had a conversion chart to convertthe reading to pounds dependant on cable size.I can't say what the 2.5 means but it seems light. Don't forget, the distance from the center of the rudder bar to the cableattach point is not the same as the rudder control horn distance. There willbe some difference in the geometry and therefore tension.I made mine "about right" when the rudder was straight.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion
Original Posted By: "ALAN LYSCARS"
Go to: http://www.optimanufacturing.com/Docume ... 0Rev10.pdf where you will find a manual for your tensionmeter. Section VI in the manual tells you how to check and/or calibrate your unit. If you bought the meter new, it should have come with a table that indicates the conversions depending on which riser you have in place. It uses different risers for different size cables. You have a T5 version, but I didn't notice which version you had. They have pictures of both versions, so you will be able to know which chart to use. The dial on the T5 is not a "direct reading" dial. You must look up the reading in a chart to determine actual tension. The way the T5 is set up makes it more versatile than a direct reading tensionmeter. i haveused the T6-8000, and found it to be a quality tool.--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Go to: http://www.optimanufacturing.com/Docume ... 0Rev10.pdf where you will find a manual for your tensionmeter. Section VI in the manual tells you how to check and/or calibrate your unit. If you bought the meter new, it should have come with a table that indicates the conversions depending on which riser you have in place. It uses different risers for different size cables. You have a T5 version, but I didn't notice which version you had. They have pictures of both versions, so you will be able to know which chart to use. The dial on the T5 is not a "direct reading" dial. You must look up the reading in a chart to determine actual tension. The way the T5 is set up makes it more versatile than a direct reading tensionmeter. i haveused the T6-8000, and found it to be a quality tool.--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________