Original Posted By: "Jack"
Does anyone know if paint will bond to CS 3204?Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
I think it just depends on the paint and what is the solvent carrier. The solvent in latex paint is water. It won't stick, but a VOC type solvent as in lacqer or dope would probably work. On the other hand some solvents will eat right thru and soften the underlying paint or chem seal. An oil based paint may be a good choice to try and possibly polyurethane which is my personal favorite.Guess this is really no answer at all, just my thoughts.Flyin low and slow.Jeff WilsonNX899WT________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
I think it just depends on the paint and what is the solvent carrier. The solvent in latex paint is water. It won't stick, but a VOC type solvent as in lacqer or dope would probably work. On the other hand some solvents will eat right thru and soften the underlying paint or chem seal. An oil based paint may be a good choice to try and possibly polyurethane which is my personal favorite.Guess this is really no answer at all, just my thoughts.Flyin low and slow.Jeff WilsonNX899WT________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Gary-i did notice that your signature now says 20 ribs not 18! [Laughing]--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Gary-i did notice that your signature now says 20 ribs not 18! [Laughing]--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Good thoughts, Jeff. I'll do some bond tests if I decide to go down thatpath.Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done
Good thoughts, Jeff. I'll do some bond tests if I decide to go down thatpath.Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done
Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Beautiful work on that first rib!I'd like to make a suggestion if I could. I know you said you wanted to breakup the monotony by making pieces for one rib at a time, but in order to make consistentparts, and save time in the long run, I'd like to suggest that you fireup that belt/disk sander I see in your photo and knock out all the parts inbatches. I'm sure there are 1000 different ways to achieve the same goal, but I found itto be beneficial to set up an assembly line with all the parts ready to assembleand then just start banging them out. Again, this was just one approach,but by making a master part for each diagonal, upright, gusset, etc. I was ableto lay those on the capstrip, mark the length and angles and rip out a batchof parts in no time. I'd cut the capstrip with the band saw and shape the angleson the disk sander. After a few days, I had all the parts I needed to completeall the ribs. I just don't think it would be that efficient to stop, retooland fabricate each piece as needed to complete a rib.After all the parts were fabricated, I could build a rib in ~90 minutes using theglue/nail technique. In addition... I have all of my master parts. If I neededto construct another rib (or ribs), I could make them identical to the originals.I know this isn't a race, I just like to make efficient use of my time. Enjoythe process, and like Dan said... keep plugging. The photos below only show a fraction of the parts I had to cut, but honestly,once I made a nice fitting master part, duplicating it 30 times went really quick.Then it is just a matter of assembly.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribs ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Beautiful work on that first rib!I'd like to make a suggestion if I could. I know you said you wanted to breakup the monotony by making pieces for one rib at a time, but in order to make consistentparts, and save time in the long run, I'd like to suggest that you fireup that belt/disk sander I see in your photo and knock out all the parts inbatches. I'm sure there are 1000 different ways to achieve the same goal, but I found itto be beneficial to set up an assembly line with all the parts ready to assembleand then just start banging them out. Again, this was just one approach,but by making a master part for each diagonal, upright, gusset, etc. I was ableto lay those on the capstrip, mark the length and angles and rip out a batchof parts in no time. I'd cut the capstrip with the band saw and shape the angleson the disk sander. After a few days, I had all the parts I needed to completeall the ribs. I just don't think it would be that efficient to stop, retooland fabricate each piece as needed to complete a rib.After all the parts were fabricated, I could build a rib in ~90 minutes using theglue/nail technique. In addition... I have all of my master parts. If I neededto construct another rib (or ribs), I could make them identical to the originals.I know this isn't a race, I just like to make efficient use of my time. Enjoythe process, and like Dan said... keep plugging. The photos below only show a fraction of the parts I had to cut, but honestly,once I made a nice fitting master part, duplicating it 30 times went really quick.Then it is just a matter of assembly.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribs ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
A couple more items... you mentioned "cutting all those little plywood pieces."I would recommend making a nice fitting gusset for each location, rough cuta stack of parts , trace the shape on the top piece and shape the whole stackon the belt/disk sander. Seriously, there are nearly 1200 gussets in the wings...don't make them individually. [Shocked] Also, you are doing yourself a big favor by not adding the additional upright aroundthe spars. One upright on either side of the main spars (as per the drawing)is sufficient. I read something about doing double uprights, which seemedto make sense at the time, but it was a PITA when it came time to put the ribson the spars.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:13:48 -0500
A couple more items... you mentioned "cutting all those little plywood pieces."I would recommend making a nice fitting gusset for each location, rough cuta stack of parts , trace the shape on the top piece and shape the whole stackon the belt/disk sander. Seriously, there are nearly 1200 gussets in the wings...don't make them individually. [Shocked] Also, you are doing yourself a big favor by not adding the additional upright aroundthe spars. One upright on either side of the main spars (as per the drawing)is sufficient. I read something about doing double uprights, which seemedto make sense at the time, but it was a PITA when it came time to put the ribson the spars.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:13:48 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Stop it! I say stop it! All this talk about starting on ribs has me frothingat the mouth. I don't have my plan or wood yet!--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:50:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Stop it! I say stop it! All this talk about starting on ribs has me frothingat the mouth. I don't have my plan or wood yet!--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:50:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I could always use some help sanding :)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 30, 2010, at 11:42 AM, "Kringle" wrote:> > Stop it! I say stop it! All this talk about starting on ribs has me frothingat the mouth. I don't have my plan or wood yet!> > --------> John> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 120#303120> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
I could always use some help sanding :)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 30, 2010, at 11:42 AM, "Kringle" wrote:> > Stop it! I say stop it! All this talk about starting on ribs has me frothingat the mouth. I don't have my plan or wood yet!> > --------> John> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 120#303120> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!