Original Posted By: "JGriff"
Do I need it when I order the rest of my plans?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Pietenpol-List: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I apologize if some of this is old and been over a million times but I'm a newbieand trying to decide between building the Pietenpol and the Fly Baby.Can anyone tell me any big differences in the building process between the AirCamper and the Fly Baby? Would you consider one more difficult than the otherto build? Does anyone here have experience flying both planes? Is there any bigdifference in flight characteristics? Are they about equal in cockpit size?Is there anything else I should be thinking about in trying to decide between thetwo?Sorry for all the newbie questions but we all have to start somewhere. :)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I apologize if some of this is old and been over a million times but I'm a newbieand trying to decide between building the Pietenpol and the Fly Baby.Can anyone tell me any big differences in the building process between the AirCamper and the Fly Baby? Would you consider one more difficult than the otherto build? Does anyone here have experience flying both planes? Is there any bigdifference in flight characteristics? Are they about equal in cockpit size?Is there anything else I should be thinking about in trying to decide between thetwo?Sorry for all the newbie questions but we all have to start somewhere. :)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
There are a number of us that has flown the Fly Baby and the Pietenpol, Ed Sampson.David Zigmont and Me, The Fly Baby is as easy to build and fly as well asthe Piet, carries one passenger, not much room for extra gear, camping equipmentetc. needs less space to park and store. It has no gear absorbing capabilitiesexcept for soft tires.And the Pietenpol can handle any engine up to 300pounds. Its followers are not as wearied as Pietenpolers. Where in this worldcan you find a bunch of craftsman that gather together to a migration area suchas Brodhead each year. I have been to the point of the gathering each year ,with a Pietenpol every year since the mid 70s, nor I can not stay on the subjectvery long without drifting toward a great bunch of helpful guys that can answerany question a builder has to ask, regarding the Pietenpol, nor get valuableideas,fixtures etc. etc.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
There are a number of us that has flown the Fly Baby and the Pietenpol, Ed Sampson.David Zigmont and Me, The Fly Baby is as easy to build and fly as well asthe Piet, carries one passenger, not much room for extra gear, camping equipmentetc. needs less space to park and store. It has no gear absorbing capabilitiesexcept for soft tires.And the Pietenpol can handle any engine up to 300pounds. Its followers are not as wearied as Pietenpolers. Where in this worldcan you find a bunch of craftsman that gather together to a migration area suchas Brodhead each year. I have been to the point of the gathering each year ,with a Pietenpol every year since the mid 70s, nor I can not stay on the subjectvery long without drifting toward a great bunch of helpful guys that can answerany question a builder has to ask, regarding the Pietenpol, nor get valuableideas,fixtures etc. etc.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Just from my limited research so far Ive been very impressed with the sense ofcommunity and support the Pietenpol group has. I havent looked closely yet at the Air Camper drawings is there even room forextra gear? Probably a stupid question considering it is an Air CAMPER but whatkind of actual baggage space is there?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Just from my limited research so far Ive been very impressed with the sense ofcommunity and support the Pietenpol group has. I havent looked closely yet at the Air Camper drawings is there even room forextra gear? Probably a stupid question considering it is an Air CAMPER but whatkind of actual baggage space is there?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
J,It depends on how you build it. As designed, for a model A Ford, there is no baggage space. With a Continental engine and the fuel tank in the centersection of the wing, there is space for a good sized baggage compartment between the front cockpit and the firewall. Conversely, if you have a fuselage tank, you can carry some baggage between the spars in the centersection, as Mike Cuy does.One of the beauties of the Pietenpol design is that you can customize it to suit yourself and your personal needs.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
J,It depends on how you build it. As designed, for a model A Ford, there is no baggage space. With a Continental engine and the fuel tank in the centersection of the wing, there is space for a good sized baggage compartment between the front cockpit and the firewall. Conversely, if you have a fuselage tank, you can carry some baggage between the spars in the centersection, as Mike Cuy does.One of the beauties of the Pietenpol design is that you can customize it to suit yourself and your personal needs.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly BabyI'm not building either one, but follow closely as they are both neat aircraft. From what I have learned the FB requires you to make some laminatedpieces(wingtip bows, etc), which isn't that big of a deal from what I am told, but still intimidates me a little. It is a single seater which obviously limits you to flying by yourself, but also when you want to carry "stuff" you have little room to putstuff. The FB community has a guy Ron Wantajja? sorry don't remember the spelling who is really involved, and does a lot for the type. His web site hastons of information and really got me interested in the type. Even if you build a Piet, there is info there on the Continentals I think that may be of interest to you. I think all in all it is a great aircraft. One thing that bothers me is the few that have lost a wing. Those aircraft have all been documented as having some problem that caused the wing loss. Meaning it couldhave been prevented either with proper build/maintenance or reducing pilot error. For me though, being relatively uneducated on the type, knowing the differences in the build methods, and such is too risky. The Piet on the other hand, to my knowledge has no history of any such failures?? That and being a two seater would be enough to sway me to favor the Piet. Also, the Piet community seems to be much larger. With numbers, naturally there is more help, and experience. Neither plane is really great for cross country cause they're just not fast, and range is limited. Both planes are cool as all get out. Both are relatively inexpensive. To me, which do you like better, and which are you more comfortable building/flying?Boycebuilding Mustang II________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly BabyI'm not building either one, but follow closely as they are both neat aircraft. From what I have learned the FB requires you to make some laminatedpieces(wingtip bows, etc), which isn't that big of a deal from what I am told, but still intimidates me a little. It is a single seater which obviously limits you to flying by yourself, but also when you want to carry "stuff" you have little room to putstuff. The FB community has a guy Ron Wantajja? sorry don't remember the spelling who is really involved, and does a lot for the type. His web site hastons of information and really got me interested in the type. Even if you build a Piet, there is info there on the Continentals I think that may be of interest to you. I think all in all it is a great aircraft. One thing that bothers me is the few that have lost a wing. Those aircraft have all been documented as having some problem that caused the wing loss. Meaning it couldhave been prevented either with proper build/maintenance or reducing pilot error. For me though, being relatively uneducated on the type, knowing the differences in the build methods, and such is too risky. The Piet on the other hand, to my knowledge has no history of any such failures?? That and being a two seater would be enough to sway me to favor the Piet. Also, the Piet community seems to be much larger. With numbers, naturally there is more help, and experience. Neither plane is really great for cross country cause they're just not fast, and range is limited. Both planes are cool as all get out. Both are relatively inexpensive. To me, which do you like better, and which are you more comfortable building/flying?Boycebuilding Mustang II________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: "JGriff"
The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,twopassengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs,tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O.Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft.This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Fordto a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change.The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilotand a small weight passenger.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,twopassengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs,tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O.Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft.This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Fordto a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change.The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilotand a small weight passenger.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
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> The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,twopassengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs,tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O.> Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft.> This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Fordto a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change.> The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilotand a small weight passenger.> Pieti Lowell Wow LowellAll that in a Pietenpol? Which engine do you have?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:51:43 -0400
> The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,twopassengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs,tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O.> Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft.> This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Fordto a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change.> The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilotand a small weight passenger.> Pieti Lowell Wow LowellAll that in a Pietenpol? Which engine do you have?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:51:43 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
I now am using a Ford B swinging a Lambert wood prop 76 X 47 at 2200 RPM.The front cockpit of the Pietenpol has a large cubic feet of space. Plus ,witha passenger her lap can accommodate two sleeping bags, her feet are resting onthe tool bag and behind it is the tent .A very uncomfortable ride for a passenger.Ionly need to fly 40 miles to Brodhead. Most of the times she returns eitherVia auto or other means, I guess that is the reason that no passengers returnto Palmyra with me.I have no controls in the front cockpit area, giving more usable spaceThe fuel is in the wing center section and front cowl area. Extra oil is used inthe Ford pan And of course we all know where the 2 gal of water is stored.A new designed radiator will allow more area for cooling and 10 square feet ofwing area for better lifting heavy loads.Also-- for those that think that the impossible is impossible I am installing aFord starting device that requires no electrical circuits and will be activatedwhile the pilot is in the cockpit, and without hand prop assistance.By the way heavy loads test the landing gear, either vertical or horizontal aswe find out very quickly.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:24:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
I now am using a Ford B swinging a Lambert wood prop 76 X 47 at 2200 RPM.The front cockpit of the Pietenpol has a large cubic feet of space. Plus ,witha passenger her lap can accommodate two sleeping bags, her feet are resting onthe tool bag and behind it is the tent .A very uncomfortable ride for a passenger.Ionly need to fly 40 miles to Brodhead. Most of the times she returns eitherVia auto or other means, I guess that is the reason that no passengers returnto Palmyra with me.I have no controls in the front cockpit area, giving more usable spaceThe fuel is in the wing center section and front cowl area. Extra oil is used inthe Ford pan And of course we all know where the 2 gal of water is stored.A new designed radiator will allow more area for cooling and 10 square feet ofwing area for better lifting heavy loads.Also-- for those that think that the impossible is impossible I am installing aFord starting device that requires no electrical circuits and will be activatedwhile the pilot is in the cockpit, and without hand prop assistance.By the way heavy loads test the landing gear, either vertical or horizontal aswe find out very quickly.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:24:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
Sorry Ryan, they are stowed on the top of the tent and tool bag , with a littleroom above, up to the fuel tank, she keeps them in place with her feet pushingforward.Check with the Pietenpolie Girl, she is the front passenger, If verification isrequired, you must donate a small amount of cash for a T-Shirt that will be availablesoon for her collage,ME. Degree.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT)
Sorry Ryan, they are stowed on the top of the tent and tool bag , with a littleroom above, up to the fuel tank, she keeps them in place with her feet pushingforward.Check with the Pietenpolie Girl, she is the front passenger, If verification isrequired, you must donate a small amount of cash for a T-Shirt that will be availablesoon for her collage,ME. Degree.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Good for you! You won't be sorry.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Good for you! You won't be sorry.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----