Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead flybysBill, Minor variations to pattern flying is expected and anticipated based upon severalfactors aircraft configurations, nuiances,wind/weather conditions and obviouslythe remote possibility of a declared or implied emergency, all within reason.Cutting in or cutting off aircraft in the pattern is foolishly dangerousand unnecessary, onlyacceptable only in cases ofdeclaredemergency, which everyonein the patter would be aware of assuming the emergency was visually obviousor declared on the radio. Cant say I buy Dan's argument that a small pattern is preferred over the 3/4 milebig fat pattern hold much creditability in my mind. Either you trust your enginesreliability and performanceor you don't fly. Flying aclose in pattern because you may have an engine out is no different thanthesame concern foran engine out on departure or in route, I see little differencein the condition and more in the outcome of the event.The possibility ofan engine out is always there to some degree when relying on any piece of machinery,however I cant rationalize flying a tighter pattern on the possibilityof that occurring. I would suspectif that's a concern that prevails based uponpast performance or other information the flight should not take place. Engineout on departure is a more frightening possibility than on approach, not thatanyone wants either. The airplane, I believe is well satisfied and happy to stay on the ground. It isthe decision ofpilot and responsibility to make certain its worthy of flighton each trip and if concerns are warranted maybe its not such a good day to fly.Again just opinions, itmay be something worthy ofpublication in the news letterprior to the gathering, no big shakes just a reminder to the community for thesafety and sake of all in attendance. John Having stated that I was taught to fly an arc to landing in a biplane, let me alsosay that in a high-wing especially, I prefer a square turn from base to finalso I can get one last check that someone isnTt racing in on a straight-in.I totally agree with having an understanding between pilots on how to approachand fly the pattern and the suggestions here are good (as are the AIM) " justshort of creating rules. Also, unlike closing the extra runways, there isnTta way to communicate the agreed procedures to a new arrival until after theyTreon the ground.YouTre totally right John that we should all utilize the commonly accepted procedureswe are all taught " somehow I got the feeling we might be headed towardsvigilantism and I was concerned that a C-150 pilot might criticize a Hatz orPitts pilot for flying a little different (or visa-versa).Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single strand of bungee
Pietenpol-List: Single strand of bungee
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
For those of you building per-the-plans split gear - my gear is straight out ofthe 1932 plans (except for the wire wheels and brakes) and uses a single 6' strandof bungee on each side. When the bungee broke on Sunday the 24th, I realized that it is a single pointof failure. Fortunately, the safety cable worked as designed. For the sake of redundancy I plan to replace the single strand system with donuts.An additional benefit is that donuts are easier to install. I'll fabricate the donuts using the neat safety wire clamp tool thingy we boughtat oshkosh and use 1/2" bungee. I'll test a couple of donuts to 500 or 600lbs before I actually use them on the plane. If successful, I'll put enough ofthe donuts on each side to handle a 4 or 5 G landing.Thought about replacing the whole mess with springs but I like the rubber bands.Will let you know how it works out.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
For those of you building per-the-plans split gear - my gear is straight out ofthe 1932 plans (except for the wire wheels and brakes) and uses a single 6' strandof bungee on each side. When the bungee broke on Sunday the 24th, I realized that it is a single pointof failure. Fortunately, the safety cable worked as designed. For the sake of redundancy I plan to replace the single strand system with donuts.An additional benefit is that donuts are easier to install. I'll fabricate the donuts using the neat safety wire clamp tool thingy we boughtat oshkosh and use 1/2" bungee. I'll test a couple of donuts to 500 or 600lbs before I actually use them on the plane. If successful, I'll put enough ofthe donuts on each side to handle a 4 or 5 G landing.Thought about replacing the whole mess with springs but I like the rubber bands.Will let you know how it works out.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
More good points Jack. I can see that there are lots of reasons to do things a certain way depending onconditions and equipment. On the other hand, I've seen a local Breezy driver(no radio) cut off several people on short final as he flies in close. Somehave been students... I had to call one on the radio because I wasn't sure thathe saw the guy cut in underneath him. I often wonder if he thinks that hehas the right of way because he is lower and slower than everything else, or ifhe truly doesn't see them... either is dangerous of course. I know, we aretalking primarily about Brodhead and the low and slow flying going on around there.I remember sitting with John while waiting for our numbers NOT to be drawnfor prizes while we watched the aircraft in the pattern. There were a fewflying close in patterns, and while I do understand your comments about flyinga pattern that is suitable to your airplane, it seemed that a couple were doingrace track touch-and-gos. A couple of these guys could have spread out andtook a more reasonable (cautious) approach. There were three of us watchingone airplane in particular... each time he passed we all said, "look at thatguy!" as he banked his wings steep and abrupt, cutting right into the runway withlittle or no attempt at a base or final leg... pass after pass. Anyhow, thatwas just from our point of view... perhaps he was justified from where hewas sitting.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee
More good points Jack. I can see that there are lots of reasons to do things a certain way depending onconditions and equipment. On the other hand, I've seen a local Breezy driver(no radio) cut off several people on short final as he flies in close. Somehave been students... I had to call one on the radio because I wasn't sure thathe saw the guy cut in underneath him. I often wonder if he thinks that hehas the right of way because he is lower and slower than everything else, or ifhe truly doesn't see them... either is dangerous of course. I know, we aretalking primarily about Brodhead and the low and slow flying going on around there.I remember sitting with John while waiting for our numbers NOT to be drawnfor prizes while we watched the aircraft in the pattern. There were a fewflying close in patterns, and while I do understand your comments about flyinga pattern that is suitable to your airplane, it seemed that a couple were doingrace track touch-and-gos. A couple of these guys could have spread out andtook a more reasonable (cautious) approach. There were three of us watchingone airplane in particular... each time he passed we all said, "look at thatguy!" as he banked his wings steep and abrupt, cutting right into the runway withlittle or no attempt at a base or final leg... pass after pass. Anyhow, thatwas just from our point of view... perhaps he was justified from where hewas sitting.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single strand of bungee
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single strand of bungee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single strand of bungee
Pietenpol-List: Re: First visit to a Pietenpoler
Original Posted By: "Piet2112"
Rick - I just wrapped a piece of 1/8 control cable around the two bungee retainingtubes and swaged it. I zip tie it up out of the way for aesthetics.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First visit to a Pietenpoler
Rick - I just wrapped a piece of 1/8 control cable around the two bungee retainingtubes and swaged it. I zip tie it up out of the way for aesthetics.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First visit to a Pietenpoler
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Thanks Axel for the invite! I'll be sure to give you a call before my next tripto Austin. Hopefully sooner than later!CurtisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Axel for the invite! I'll be sure to give you a call before my next tripto Austin. Hopefully sooner than later!CurtisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Critter's Lodge? Hey, now-! That one is about an hourcloser to me than Reklaw and a month earlier in the year.I'm going to investigate!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge
Critter's Lodge? Hey, now-! That one is about an hourcloser to me than Reklaw and a month earlier in the year.I'm going to investigate!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge
Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Hi Dan - yeah, it held. Probably a wise idea to increase the size of the cable,though, particularly for people using the single length of bungee.Kevin--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Dan - yeah, it held. Probably a wise idea to increase the size of the cable,though, particularly for people using the single length of bungee.Kevin--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Oscar, Hans and Any Other Interested Parties - Here's what I know:website - http://critterslodge.org/dates 24-26 Sep, rain date 10/1airport TE01I've got camping spots 25, 26 & 27 for me and two other friends. If you decideto camp it'd be neat if you could get near those spots. It's $5. If you getin touch with him now that should improve your chances for site selection. If you'll let me know for sure what your plans are as we get closer Shelley willprovision to feed you.And you can still do Reklaw:)Kevin--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:59:52 -0400 (EDT)
Oscar, Hans and Any Other Interested Parties - Here's what I know:website - http://critterslodge.org/dates 24-26 Sep, rain date 10/1airport TE01I've got camping spots 25, 26 & 27 for me and two other friends. If you decideto camp it'd be neat if you could get near those spots. It's $5. If you getin touch with him now that should improve your chances for site selection. If you'll let me know for sure what your plans are as we get closer Shelley willprovision to feed you.And you can still do Reklaw:)Kevin--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:59:52 -0400 (EDT)