Original Posted By: "JGriff"
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Pietenpol-List: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: "Michael Silvius"
I just ordered the plans and cleaned up the workshop in preparation. I've beenreading the archives of this list when I can and have been checking out some ofthe builder's websites. One of the things I wanted to ask here to you experienced builders is what wouldyou have done differently if you got to start over knowing what you know now?Any advice you can give me on planning to avoid any gotcha's you may have encounteredin your build. Thanks.JamieRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I just ordered the plans and cleaned up the workshop in preparation. I've beenreading the archives of this list when I can and have been checking out some ofthe builder's websites. One of the things I wanted to ask here to you experienced builders is what wouldyou have done differently if you got to start over knowing what you know now?Any advice you can give me on planning to avoid any gotcha's you may have encounteredin your build. Thanks.JamieRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel
Original Posted By: jeff wilson
Keri-Ann Price has plans for a tail wheel for the Piet.Dennisalso in St.Louis ----- Original Message -----
Keri-Ann Price has plans for a tail wheel for the Piet.Dennisalso in St.Louis ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel
Original Posted By: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: "JGriff"
I would be interested in your kit as well.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
I would be interested in your kit as well.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied over them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention and making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight so no chance of rust and done.Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but I used pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figured a little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did remove the ones that I could. I know its over killDam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shoot across from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll find out the hard way. the good news it only happens once!JohnIn a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the brads after gluing or even use them at all.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied over them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention and making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight so no chance of rust and done.Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but I used pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figured a little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did remove the ones that I could. I know its over killDam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shoot across from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll find out the hard way. the good news it only happens once!JohnIn a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19(at)comcast.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the brads after gluing or even use them at all.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topicThanks for putting up with that interview with me in my hangar---totally unexpected but I fumbled thru best I could.Here's some history on this whole deal for those of you who are not on Facebook. About 7 years ago I met a friendthru a friend from church who is a local Cleveland tv commercial videographer but is a private pilot and LOVES old airplaneand aviation history.Since Adam White (Hemlock Films) lives so close to me he was kind enough to include my Piet in an aviation documentaryhe produced called The Restorers around 2004. It aired on some PBS stations and in some theaters. Now he is expandingthis idea into a series that he hopes to get aired on The History Channel, NOVA, or PBS or such and did this little promotionaltrailer (1:19 long) where I keep my airplane that was shown at some of the theaters in Oshkosh when they aired his Redtail Rebornfilm there during the convention.....which really has gone over quite well. (The Tuskegee Airman P-51 that was fully restoredand flown again after a tragic accident)Here's the trailer. The hostess Adam found (local personality) is a peach and she's really going to add to the professionalism ofthe story.....plus keep our attention !1:19 long plus some other still photos of the shoot with my Piet and some of his shoots at the big Doolittle B-25 gathering/reunion backin April in Dayton at the USAF Museum.http://therestorers.com/The_Restorers/M ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Subject: Pietenpol-List: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topicThanks for putting up with that interview with me in my hangar---totally unexpected but I fumbled thru best I could.Here's some history on this whole deal for those of you who are not on Facebook. About 7 years ago I met a friendthru a friend from church who is a local Cleveland tv commercial videographer but is a private pilot and LOVES old airplaneand aviation history.Since Adam White (Hemlock Films) lives so close to me he was kind enough to include my Piet in an aviation documentaryhe produced called The Restorers around 2004. It aired on some PBS stations and in some theaters. Now he is expandingthis idea into a series that he hopes to get aired on The History Channel, NOVA, or PBS or such and did this little promotionaltrailer (1:19 long) where I keep my airplane that was shown at some of the theaters in Oshkosh when they aired his Redtail Rebornfilm there during the convention.....which really has gone over quite well. (The Tuskegee Airman P-51 that was fully restoredand flown again after a tragic accident)Here's the trailer. The hostess Adam found (local personality) is a peach and she's really going to add to the professionalism ofthe story.....plus keep our attention !1:19 long plus some other still photos of the shoot with my Piet and some of his shoots at the big Doolittle B-25 gathering/reunion backin April in Dayton at the USAF Museum.http://therestorers.com/The_Restorers/M ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: "JGriff"
Jamie - At your point in the process: scuff sand the plywood before you cut itup for rib gussets. I learned that in 1993 and the sentiment gets repeated hereperiodically. Don't obsess about minutia. Make decent wood joints, use adecent glue, use adequate clamping pressure. Make several practice pieces toget a feel for the process and then test the pieces to destruction.Big picture: the only thing I've changed that absolutely had to be changed wasinstalling a steerable tailwheel vs. the caster on the stock skid. I operateoff of concrete. The rest of the things I might do differently on the next oneare strictly for convenience and haven't affected my enjoyment of the plane:relocate wing tank filler neck closer to leading edge, use springs instead ofbungees on the main gear, put in more gas capacity than the stock tank.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Jamie - At your point in the process: scuff sand the plywood before you cut itup for rib gussets. I learned that in 1993 and the sentiment gets repeated hereperiodically. Don't obsess about minutia. Make decent wood joints, use adecent glue, use adequate clamping pressure. Make several practice pieces toget a feel for the process and then test the pieces to destruction.Big picture: the only thing I've changed that absolutely had to be changed wasinstalling a steerable tailwheel vs. the caster on the stock skid. I operateoff of concrete. The rest of the things I might do differently on the next oneare strictly for convenience and haven't affected my enjoyment of the plane:relocate wing tank filler neck closer to leading edge, use springs instead ofbungees on the main gear, put in more gas capacity than the stock tank.--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
I wonder how the 23 gauge headless stainless steel pins would do. Weve used themhere at work to great success but the minimum length is 3/8 so I suspect theywould be too long for the wing gussets (I dont have the plans yet so I dontknow for sure).[quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxiedover them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indentionand making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tightso no chance of rust and done. Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but Iused pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figureda little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did removethe ones that I could. I know its over kill Dam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shootacross from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll findout the hard way. the good news it only happens once! John In a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19(at)comcast.netwrites:> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" > > Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?> Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove thebrads after gluing or even use them at all.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ==========> > > > > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I wonder how the 23 gauge headless stainless steel pins would do. Weve used themhere at work to great success but the minimum length is 3/8 so I suspect theywould be too long for the wing gussets (I dont have the plans yet so I dontknow for sure).[quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxiedover them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indentionand making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tightso no chance of rust and done. Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but Iused pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figureda little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did removethe ones that I could. I know its over kill Dam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shootacross from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll findout the hard way. the good news it only happens once! John In a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19(at)comcast.netwrites:> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" > > Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?> Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove thebrads after gluing or even use them at all.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ==========> > > > > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....SWYgeW91J3JlIG5vdCBpbnRlbnQgb24gYWNxdWlyaW5nIHRoZW0gdGhyb3VnaCBsZXNzIHRoYW4gcHVyY2hhc2luZyBtZWFucywgIApJIGFtIGNlcnRhaW4geW91IGNhbiBkbyBhIHF1aWNrIHNlYXJjaCBhbmQgZmluZCBleGFjdGx5IHdoYXQgeW91IGFyZSAKbG9va2luZyBmb3IgIGF0IGhhcmJvciBmcmVpZ2h0IG9yIG90aGVyIHBpbiBkaXNjb3VudGVyLiBOb3QgdGhhdCBJIGhhdmUgYW55dGhpbmcgCmFnYWluc3Qgc3VjaCAgY3JlYXRpbmcgYWNxdWlzaXRpb24sIHdobydzIG5hbWUgaXMgc3lub255bW91cyBvbmUgb2Ygb3VyIG90aGVyIApidWlsZGVycyBhbmQgIHNoYWxsIGdvIHVuIGRpc2Nsb3NlZCwgaG93ZXZlciB0aGF0J3MgYWx3YXlzIGFuIG9wdGlvbi4gCkVzcGVjaWFsbHkgd2hlbiBob25vcmluZyAgdGhlaXIgc2hvcCB3aXRoIHlvdXIgcHJlc2VuY2UuCiAKIApEbyBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQogCkxlc3MgWWF3YW5uYQogCiAKIApJbiBhIG1lc3NhZ2UgZGF0ZWQgOC8xMC8yMDEwIDk6MjA6MjAgQS5NLiBFYXN0ZXJuIERheWxpZ2h0IFRpbWUsICAKamdyaWZmaXRoMTlAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQgd3JpdGVzOgoKLS0+ICBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogIkpHcmlmZiIgIDxqZ3JpZmZpdGgxOUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldD4KCkkgd29uZGVyIGhvdyB0aGUgMjMgZ2F1Z2UgaGVhZGxlc3MgIHN0YWlubGVzcyBzdGVlbCBwaW5zIHdvdWxkIGRvLiBXZcOi4oKs4oSidmUgCnVzZWQgdGhlbSBoZXJlIGF0IHdvcmsgdG8gZ3JlYXQgc3VjY2VzcyAgYnV0IHRoZSBtaW5pbXVtIGxlbmd0aCBpcyAzLzjDouKCrMKdIApzbyBJIHN1c3BlY3QgdGhleSB3b3VsZCBiZSB0b28gbG9uZyBmb3IgdGhlICB3aW5nIGd1c3NldHMgKEkgZG9uw6LigqzihKJ0IGhhdmUgCnRoZSBwbGFucyB5ZXQgc28gSSBkb27DouKCrOKEonQga25vdyBmb3IgIHN1cmUpLgoKW3F1b3RlPSJBbXNhZmV0eWMiXUkgZGlkLCBleGNlcHQgSSB1c2VkIHRoZSAxLzIgc3RhcGxlcywgd29ya2VkICBncmVhdC4gSSAKZXBveGllZCBvdmVyIHRoZW0gdG8gIGtlZXAgdGhlbSBpbiBwbGFjZSByYXRoZXIgdGhhbiB0cnkgcHVsbGluZyAgdGhlIG91dCBvZiAKdGhlIGluZGVudGlvbiBhbmQgbWFraW5nIGEgIGJpZyBtZXNzIG91dCBvZiBteSB3b29kLiBJIGZpZ3VyZWQgIHNlYWwgdGhlbSBpbiAKYWlyIHRpZ2h0IHNvIG5vIGNoYW5jZSBvZiBydXN0ICBhbmQgZG9uZS4KCkp1c3QgIGhvdyBJIGRpZCBpdC4gQlRXIEkga25vdyBuZWl0aGVyIERhbiBub3IgQmVybmFyZCB3b3VsZCBub3QgYXBwcm92ZSAKYnV0ICBJICB1c2VkIHBpbnMgaW4gbW9zdCBhbGwgbXkgZ2x1ZSBqb2ludHMgdG8gaW5zdXJlIHRoZSBob2xkIGFuZCBnbHVlIGJvbmQuIApJICAgZmlndXJlZCBhIGxpdHRsZSBleHRyYSBjb3VsZG4ndCBodXJ0IGJ1dCBjb3VsZCBpbXByb3ZlIHRoZSBnbHVlIGpvaW50LiAKSSAgZGlkICByZW1vdmUgdGhlIG9uZXMgdGhhdCBJIGNvdWxkLiBJIGtub3cgaXRzIG92ZXIga2lsbAoKRGFtICBJIGxpa2UgdGhhdCBhaXIgc3RhcGxlIGFuZCBicmFkIG5haWxlci4gWW91IGp1c3QgZ290IHRvIHJlbWVtYmVyICB0byAKbm90ICBzaG9vdCBhY3Jvc3MgZnJvbSB5b3VyIGhvbGRpbmcgZmluZ2VyLCBhIGxpdHRsZSBvZmYgdGhlIG1hcmsgYW5kIHdlbGwgICAKeW91J2xsIGZpbmQgb3V0IHRoZSBoYXJkIHdheS4gdGhlIGdvb2QgbmV3cyBpdCBvbmx5IGhhcHBlbnMgb25jZSEKCkpvaG4KCkluIGEgbWVzc2FnZSBkYXRlZCA4LzEwLzIwMTAgNjozODo0OSBBLk0uICBFYXN0ZXJuIERheWxpZ2h0IFRpbWUsICAKamdyaWZmaXRoMTlAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQgd3JpdGVzOgoKPiAgLS0+ICAgIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiAiSkdyaWZmIiAgICAgCj4gCj4gSGFzIGFueW9uZSB1c2VkIGEgcG5ldW1hdGljIGJyYWQgbmFpbGVyICAgIG9uIHRoZSAgZnVzZSBhbmQgd2luZyBndXNzZXRzPwo+IFNlZW1zIGxpa2UgdGhlcmUgYXJlIGRpZmZlcmVudCBzY2hvb2xzIG9mICAgdGhvdWdodCBvbiB3aGV0aGVyIHRvIHJlbW92ZSAKdGhlIGJyYWRzIGFmdGVyIGdsdWluZyBvciBldmVuIHVzZSB0aGVtICBhdCAgICBhbGwuCj4gCj4gCj4gCj4gCj4gUmVhZCB0aGlzICB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUgICAgaGVyZToKPiAKPiAgCmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP3A9MzA4MTcxIzMwODE3MT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cj4gIAo+IAo+IAo+IAoKCj4gIFtiXQoKCgoKClJlYWQgdGhpcyB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUgIGhlcmU6CgpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGljLnBocD9wPTMwODE4NyMzMDgxODcKCgoKCgoKCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cl8tPSAgIC0gVGhlIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgIE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UKXy09IHRoZSBtYW55IExpc3QgdXRpbGl0aWVzICBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLApfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1EYXkgIEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLApfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCAgbW9yZToKXy09Cl8tPSAgIC0tPiAgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9QaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdApfLT0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09ICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAgLQpfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0aGUgV2ViICBGb3J1bXMhCl8tPQpfLT0gICAtLT4gIGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpfLT0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09ICAgLSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBXZWIgU2l0ZSAgLQpfLT0gIFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBnZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0IQpfLT0gICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4KXy09ICAgLS0+ICBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09CgoKCg=________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....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________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
No way I'm removing brads. Just seal em up good with polyurethane. I did use an18 gauge air brad nailer. Just be sure get good quality brads. Stay away fromHarbor 'Chinese' Freight.Jeff WilsonN899WT (r)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
No way I'm removing brads. Just seal em up good with polyurethane. I did use an18 gauge air brad nailer. Just be sure get good quality brads. Stay away fromHarbor 'Chinese' Freight.Jeff WilsonN899WT (r)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Original Posted By: Pietn38b(at)aol.com
I'll measure it for you tomorrow night when I go to the hangar. I did extend themount about an inch as I recall.No left thrust. Accordingly: lots of left peddle.Kevin--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I'll measure it for you tomorrow night when I go to the hangar. I did extend themount about an inch as I recall.No left thrust. Accordingly: lots of left peddle.Kevin--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
[quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxiedover them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indentionand making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight sono chance of rust and done. Not exactly the same as building ribs, but I built a wood strip canoe where theplanking was stapled to the frames and then the staples removed to lift the shelloff the frames. I used a hand insulation stapler with staples long enoughto penetrate the 1/4" planking plus some penetration in to the frames. I tapeda thin cardboard shim just behind where the staple exits the stapler so thestaple was not set tight to the wood and could be easily removed with a thinscrewdriver or similar. If you are using epoxy glue you don't need a lot ofpressure, only something to keep the pieces you are gluing from moving out ofplace in relation to each other.--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:48:24 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellowlovers of the blue
[quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxiedover them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indentionand making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight sono chance of rust and done. Not exactly the same as building ribs, but I built a wood strip canoe where theplanking was stapled to the frames and then the staples removed to lift the shelloff the frames. I used a hand insulation stapler with staples long enoughto penetrate the 1/4" planking plus some penetration in to the frames. I tapeda thin cardboard shim just behind where the staple exits the stapler so thestaple was not set tight to the wood and could be easily removed with a thinscrewdriver or similar. If you are using epoxy glue you don't need a lot ofpressure, only something to keep the pieces you are gluing from moving out ofplace in relation to each other.--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:48:24 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellowlovers of the blue
Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: H RULE
If one were to lay down a strip of canvas or other strongfabric and staple through that then when the glue has driedjust rip the canvas off and voila! up come those pesky staples.Clif I used a hand insulation stapler I taped a thin cardboard shim just behind where the staple exits the stapler so the staple was not set tight to the wood and could be easily removed with a thin screwdriver or similar. > Jon Coxwell> GN-1 Builder> Recycle and preserve the planet________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
If one were to lay down a strip of canvas or other strongfabric and staple through that then when the glue has driedjust rip the canvas off and voila! up come those pesky staples.Clif I used a hand insulation stapler I taped a thin cardboard shim just behind where the staple exits the stapler so the staple was not set tight to the wood and could be easily removed with a thin screwdriver or similar. > Jon Coxwell> GN-1 Builder> Recycle and preserve the planet________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Mario;Welcome to the list. Where are you located? Perhaps thereis a builder near you who can help with reading the drawings.Better, perhaps there is a Piet that you can go look at totake photos and compare the dimensions in the drawings towhat an actual airplane looks like.There are only a few discrepancies in the plans, and onceyou begin to build, it will be obvious that something doesnot add up.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
Mario;Welcome to the list. Where are you located? Perhaps thereis a builder near you who can help with reading the drawings.Better, perhaps there is a Piet that you can go look at totake photos and compare the dimensions in the drawings towhat an actual airplane looks like.There are only a few discrepancies in the plans, and onceyou begin to build, it will be obvious that something doesnot add up.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....