Original Posted By: "Mr. Craig"
Hmm.. interesting...I might drive down from Dallas(garland) as well, and snooparound. Penzon if the dragon will cut me loose from the diva's extra ciriculativeactivities this weekend. All I'm missing is a prop for my A65-8 GN-1. Mightgive me a reason to axe around... maybe meet an a&p or two... or a pietenpoleror two.Ler (n2308c)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas.I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and 1933 reprintsput out by EAA.I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me out onwhat drawings I need to order. Money sent.Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in and theAir Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is really nice lookingthough. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air Camper modeled afterAllen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with the 3 piece wings,unless someone here wants to talk me out of it.
I'll be using a built ModelA engine from H and H Antique.I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage looksto be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end.I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator out of4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but said manyhave done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and thicknesses from aJ3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in the plans. I can dothis, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has done it before. Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't reallywant to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to.Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that he buildsand many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add the twoinches he recommends.Any down sided to this modification?That's enough for now.Thanks and best regards,CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas.I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and 1933 reprintsput out by EAA.I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me out onwhat drawings I need to order. Money sent.Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in and theAir Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is really nice lookingthough. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air Camper modeled afterAllen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with the 3 piece wings,unless someone here wants to talk me out of it.
I'll be using a built ModelA engine from H and H Antique.I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage looksto be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end.I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator out of4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but said manyhave done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and thicknesses from aJ3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in the plans. I can dothis, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has done it before. Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't reallywant to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to.Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that he buildsand many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add the twoinches he recommends.Any down sided to this modification?That's enough for now.Thanks and best regards,CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
JeffSorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life.Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton nextSpring but nothing in concrete yet.Barry Davis -----Original Message-----
JeffSorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life.Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton nextSpring but nothing in concrete yet.Barry Davis -----Original Message-----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
> Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: airlion
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: jboatri(at)emory.edu
You need to talk to Scott Liefeld ( Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org ). He has a steeltube fuselage and if I remember correctly, steel tail feathers. He has stressedthem more than most so I would trust his design.3 piece wing will be more builder friendly but take a little longer to build andweighs just slightly more. I would build a 1 piece if I had the room. Lookscool.1 or 2 inches in the nose will not change the flight characteristics but help withthe weight and balance. Given your size you need to watch the weight andbalance. It's not a big deal as others your size fly them just fine. I wouldsuggest you might want to think about make the fuselage deeper so you fit insideit a little better. I'm on the tall side of 6-1 and I would like to be lowerin the fuselage. Chris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:33:13 -0500
You need to talk to Scott Liefeld ( Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org ). He has a steeltube fuselage and if I remember correctly, steel tail feathers. He has stressedthem more than most so I would trust his design.3 piece wing will be more builder friendly but take a little longer to build andweighs just slightly more. I would build a 1 piece if I had the room. Lookscool.1 or 2 inches in the nose will not change the flight characteristics but help withthe weight and balance. Given your size you need to watch the weight andbalance. It's not a big deal as others your size fly them just fine. I wouldsuggest you might want to think about make the fuselage deeper so you fit insideit a little better. I'm on the tall side of 6-1 and I would like to be lowerin the fuselage. Chris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:33:13 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Craig wrote:>Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the>fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanesthat will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? My understandingof the need to add some extension to the front is to get the enginefurther out front when using air-cooled Continentals that don'tweigh as much as the Fords, but then again it depends on where theinch or two goes relative to the wing cabane attach points. But witha fair amount of front-seat time in my own Piet, I can say that a bitmore legroom in front would be welcome. I sure do like the look ofthe simple, straightforward, and honest Rudolph Piet though.And on the matter of steel tube tail feathers, another idea that youmight pursue is to see if Darrel Jones still has plans available forthe Pfeifer Sport. He was offering them on disc awhile back, and ifI remember correctly, the Sport has some similarity to the Piet buthas a tube steel fuselage and tail, so you might be able to re-shapethe Sport's tail surfaces to look like a Piet but still not have toreinvent the wheel.Darrel-? Still on the list? Still have Sport plans available?Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Craig wrote:>Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the>fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanesthat will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? My understandingof the need to add some extension to the front is to get the enginefurther out front when using air-cooled Continentals that don'tweigh as much as the Fords, but then again it depends on where theinch or two goes relative to the wing cabane attach points. But witha fair amount of front-seat time in my own Piet, I can say that a bitmore legroom in front would be welcome. I sure do like the look ofthe simple, straightforward, and honest Rudolph Piet though.And on the matter of steel tube tail feathers, another idea that youmight pursue is to see if Darrel Jones still has plans available forthe Pfeifer Sport. He was offering them on disc awhile back, and ifI remember correctly, the Sport has some similarity to the Piet buthas a tube steel fuselage and tail, so you might be able to re-shapethe Sport's tail surfaces to look like a Piet but still not have toreinvent the wheel.Darrel-? Still on the list? Still have Sport plans available?Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: "Mr. Craig"
Hi Chris,Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will betrying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked greatfor me.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBroadhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Hi Chris,Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will betrying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked greatfor me.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBroadhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: "Mr. Craig"
taildrags wrote:> Craig wrote:> > > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the> > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.> > > > > > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes> that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longeronsin the first bay. He said his grandpa was 169ish and balance well for smallerguys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then tweaksthe wing back a ways if need be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
taildrags wrote:> Craig wrote:> > > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the> > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.> > > > > > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes> that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longeronsin the first bay. He said his grandpa was 169ish and balance well for smallerguys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then tweaksthe wing back a ways if need be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: "Mr. Craig"
AircamperN11MS wrote:> Hi Chris,> > Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will betrying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have workedgreat for me.Thanks again Scott. Everything is coming together very nicely. Thanks to everyonewho contacted me here and via email. Every little bit helps.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
AircamperN11MS wrote:> Hi Chris,> > Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will betrying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have workedgreat for me.Thanks again Scott. Everything is coming together very nicely. Thanks to everyonewho contacted me here and via email. Every little bit helps.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
Mr. Craig wrote:> > taildrags wrote:> > Craig wrote:> > > > > > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the> > > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.> > > > > > > > > > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes> > that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?> > > We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longeronsin the first bay. He said his grandpa was 160-ish and balance well for smallerguys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he thentweaks the wing back a ways if need be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:32:35 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Mr. Craig wrote:> > taildrags wrote:> > Craig wrote:> > > > > > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the> > > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.> > > > > > > > > > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes> > that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?> > > We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longeronsin the first bay. He said his grandpa was 160-ish and balance well for smallerguys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he thentweaks the wing back a ways if need be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:32:35 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings
Original Posted By: Ken Chambers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings