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Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length?

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Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
I plan to be at Brodhead for the first time! Does that count for anything, evenif I drive a car up there?--------HOMEBUILDERWill WORK for SpruceLong flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length?
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Everyone,I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There isthe potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edgeof the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' fromthe possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400',and then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the south-southeastof the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north.My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using aCorvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the Riblett612 airfoil for the additional lift.I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space (Minerva,Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane atthe farm.Comments?Thanks!Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
My landing and take off roll are in the 300 - 400 ft range.So it is possible but with little room for error.What are the prevailing winds ?If you have crosswind most of the time it would be very exciting landings!HansNX15KV-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By:> Kip and Beth Gardner
Thanks Hans,in this part of the world, normal prevailing winds tend to be from the west. Any time it's coming from somewhere else, it's usually a harbinger of weather you would not want to fly in anyway :).KipOn Dec 17, 2010, at 11:29 AM, HVandervoo(at)aol.com wrote:> My landing and take off roll are in the 300 - 400 ft range.> > So it is possible but with little room for error.> > What are the prevailing winds ?> If you have crosswind most of the time it would be very exciting landings!> > Hans> > NX15KV> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length?

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Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
Unfortunately no unless the adjoining property owners were agreeable.On Dec 17, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:> Take offs won't be a problem to the east. Landings will be tight either way. Can the trees be taken down?> > >> >> Everyone,>> >> I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north.>> >> My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift.>> >> I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane at the farm.>> >> Comments?>> >> Thanks!>> >> Kip Gardner>> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright> "Now let's think about this..."> > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
Any chance of putting it kitty-corner ( or is that kiddy? )That could give you another couple hundred feet.Provided the property is square though.Clif> I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. > There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway > along one edge of the primary field. >> My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be > using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously > considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift.>> Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Jack"
Thanks everyone. As with most things Pietenpol, it sounds like a "your mileage may vary" situation. I know it's kind of marginal, just curious about the opinions on just how marginal that is.BTW Gary, I know it's approaching blasphemy to say that I did not buy this land primarily with flying in mind, but that's the case. I'm actually planning on farming this land - what a novel idea :) !KipOn Dec 17, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:> >>> Any chance of putting it kitty-corner ( or is that kiddy? )> That could give you another couple hundred feet.> Provided the property is square though.>>> Clif>>> I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is >> good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) >> grass runway along one edge of the primary field. >>> My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll >> be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm >> seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional >> lift.>>>> Kip Gardner>>________________________________________________________________________________
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I have 900 feet with no obstructions and was wondering if that is enough?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:43:20 +0000 (UTC)
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Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system

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Original Posted By: "Dangerous Dave"
Jack,They are skewed.BUT..Make all the pieces,weld up the gear legs,get them inplace where they go weld up the bungee cross pieces and hold them in place withthe mounting lugs bolted on and tack the lugs.Everyones gear is a bit differentand no plans will show exactly what angle and where they should be attachedat.If you dont you'll have to bend the a or something else a bit.Been there..DavePS have the axles even with the leading edge in flying config.--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
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Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Try at a similar strip some where else.If you can get 500fpm of climb and landand stop and takeoff in 300' 40 times in a row go for it.If not drive 4 milesand only build your Piet once.Dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:32:27 -0500
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Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system

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Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Kip.For those of you that knew Allen Rudolf and his farm landing strip, I will be sayingthings that you know, But his strip was North and South about 700 Ft. beforehe lengthened it to accommodate his 172. He cut the trees at the end of thestrip to clear 10' on each wing tip.I flew his Ford A with no problem, also flew my clipped wing 4412 Piet with an85 HP Cont,my Ford A , Werner 145 . Lambert. B Ford first with a Piet wing thenwith 612 wing. many times with passengers, The last landing in Allens fieldwas after he had passed away and I was showing a passenger a possible purchasethat I had in mind, When I arrived the runways were freshly plowed and not tobe deterred We landed on the plowed surface, and found that it took full throttleto taxi , needless to say it took a bean field to take off,By the way his barn had a 12 X 12 vertical hinged at the top at th sliding doorsand pulled up out of the way to get his Piet in and out , it worked great, PietiLowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system
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I have used Polyfiber on the Pietenpol But next projet will most likely be stewart systems.HansNX 15kV-----Original Message-----
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Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?

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Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
I did a search of my Piet pictures and pretty certain it is this one. I copiedthe data from airport-data.com/manuf/Pietenpol.htmlC-GFCU 1982 Pietenpol PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER GN 1 198 1 Ontario, Canada--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gn1_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Just adding some small picture of my runway from above. The other is on shortfinal ............ looking toward that *&%#& power line. All your ducks have tobe lined up all in a row. I apologize for the dirty windshield. I didn't realizeit was dirty until viewing the pictures.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_r ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dash
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Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
I'd say that Jerry nailed it.If you look at the fire extinguisher, you can see the call letters GFCU, whichmatch the photo that Jerry posted.Bill CRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:07:56 -0800Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dash
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Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system

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Original Posted By: Charles Campbell
Hi Chuck,There is one easy way to find out. Look at all the Youtube videos the two of them have put out and you will see them in person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl9I3FOA6BcDan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.-----Original Message-----
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I collect anything Pietenpol and I have another picture of it from the left. Itappears it was at a fly-in on this one.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gn1_ ... ______Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:21:46 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system
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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
OK, got it.http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ ... nt.aspWhen this photo was sent to me, via New Zealand of allplaces, I was struck by all that "stuff" in the thing. Sinceit appears to have been built by a club I'm wondering ifthe "commitee effect" got the better of them. :-)Also look at the green arc on the airspeed!Clif"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing moreto add, but when there is nothing left to take away."Antoine de Saint-Exupery> If you look at the fire extinguisher, you can see the call letters GFCU, > which match the photo that Jerry posted.>> Bill C________________________________________________________________________________
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And just how did you get to be so old O ancient andvenerable one? :-)Clif"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you are alive, it isn't." ~ Richard Bach
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Chuck:I also am a member of the Short Wing Piper Club, a member of the Michigan chapter and fly a PA 22. You are correct about who is behind the Stewart System Co. It is the same Doug and Rava Stewart and Doug's brother Dan. It is my understanding that the Stewarts bought out the old AFS system and improved upon it, especially the top coat system. Here is a link to the info on the old AFS system http://www.challengers101.com/WingCovering1.html and to the Stewarts site http://www.stewartsystems.aero/I am finishing up my Pietenpol and will probably cover it this spring or summer.I definitely plan on using the Stewart System for covering. Rick SchreiberValparaiso IN----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
Nice! Shouldn't be a factor.. Just put an I0-540 on the PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
No one spoke of width. If laying out a runway how wide would you make it?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Kringle"
Back to the original question...I spoke with the builder when he was at Brodhead, and I recall him saying thatit was fiberglass. I believe he built up a mould and made it himself.Bill, who doesn't have any A-65 pistons in the mail, or on my desk, or at all,for that matter.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
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And if I build it, will they come?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:17:01 -0800 (PST)
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Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
By the way, I had the bungees off for replacement when the pictures were taken.The skis are rigged as per the AC43.13 manual.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length?
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Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
May I ask what is along side your runway? If I build it, it will have corn, beans, or wheat next to it. I also have enoughland to make a parking area and have camping sites.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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The wider you make it, the more you gotta mow!----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Re: May I ask what is along side your runway? I grow Pensacola Bahia grass for hay. Just before cutting it will be near kneehigh. It will stain your prop if you get out in the field. If I didn't have todo the mowing of the runway I would make it 60 feet wide but it takes near anhour every 4 or 5 days in the good growing season to mow it.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rollingusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Sounds like you need 22" rims with 3.50 tires. :-)Just roll right over the little buggers, AND their holes!Clif ----- Original Message -----
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