Original Posted By: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Gary,Thanks for the kind words.- Bedtime is at 8 o'clock and if there's anything residency taught me, it's to live on 4-5 hours sleep.- My Piet is getting built when everyone in my house sleeps.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 9#327959le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:26:31 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net]
Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to believethat you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'monly on #24...!Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to believethat you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'monly on #24...!Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building theFGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for theplans I ordered from Don Pietenpol.I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Isthis enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more?For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from DonPietenpol last September.Thanks for any input.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Simple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building theFGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I've reconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for theplans I ordered from Don Pietenpol.I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Isthis enough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more?For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from DonPietenpol last September.Thanks for any input.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib questionSimple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building theFGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I'vereconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for the plansI ordered from Don Pietenpol.I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Is thisenough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more?For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from DonPietenpol last September.Thanks for any input.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib questionSimple question, but need some help. I originally was planning on building theFGM wing or perhaps the one part wing which I understood as having 28 ribs. I'vereconsidered and will be building the 3-piece wing and am waiting for the plansI ordered from Don Pietenpol.I have 30 ribs completed (2 more than were needed for the one-piece wing). Is thisenough for the 3-piece wing or do I need to make a few more?For reference, I did build the rib from the full-size plan I received from DonPietenpol last September.Thanks for any input.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net]
Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to believethat you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'monly on #24...!Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Yes, Tom, that's the correct count, however, I find it difficult to believethat you built 30 ribs since September. It's been almost 3 years and I'monly on #24...!Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: tdudley(at)umn.edu
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib questionI just finished my ribs and the count is 14 per wing plus two full ribs in thecenter section plus an additional two tail ribs and one nose rib for the centersection. Your 30 full ribs is fine but you need those nose and tail ribs eventually.Scott Knowlton -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib questionI just finished my ribs and the count is 14 per wing plus two full ribs in thecenter section plus an additional two tail ribs and one nose rib for the centersection. Your 30 full ribs is fine but you need those nose and tail ribs eventually.Scott Knowlton -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
You might want to build a few more, just to hang in the den or the hangar. Ribsare just cool to look at and they're great conversation starters.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
You might want to build a few more, just to hang in the den or the hangar. Ribsare just cool to look at and they're great conversation starters.--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By:
I just went to the shop and counted. I have 31 built, 14 for each wing section and 3 for the center section. If you plan on putting a fuel tank in the centersection you will need 2 false ribs for the aft section (behind the rear spar) and one false nose rib in the place of the center rib of the centersection. Actually, the 3-piece wing plan covers mainly the center section and how the center section is connected to the wing sections. It does have dimensions of the wing spar and plans for the spar butt joint straps. Lots of luck. See you at Brodhead, the Mecca of Pietenpols. Chuck----- Original Message -----
I just went to the shop and counted. I have 31 built, 14 for each wing section and 3 for the center section. If you plan on putting a fuel tank in the centersection you will need 2 false ribs for the aft section (behind the rear spar) and one false nose rib in the place of the center rib of the centersection. Actually, the 3-piece wing plan covers mainly the center section and how the center section is connected to the wing sections. It does have dimensions of the wing spar and plans for the spar butt joint straps. Lots of luck. See you at Brodhead, the Mecca of Pietenpols. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Hey! That's an idea. Think I'll plan on putting in a centersection tank, build the false ribs, and hang my 31st one on the wall of the den. My wife would have an absolute conniption fit. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Hey! That's an idea. Think I'll plan on putting in a centersection tank, build the false ribs, and hang my 31st one on the wall of the den. My wife would have an absolute conniption fit. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Gary, I averaged one rib per day when I was in the rib mode. Of course I'm retired (retarded). I had kind of an assembly line going. First, I took yesterday's rib out of the jig, took the top rib cap for today's rib off the prebending jig and put it in the rib jig, then the bottom rib cap, then cut the connecting members per a prearranged plan, glued the members and installed the top-side gussets (precut). I then put the gussets on the back of yesterday's rib. Last I took a rib cap out of the soaker and put it in the prebending jig. Last I put another rib cap in the soaker, left the shop and closed the door. It was really the most enjoyable part of the project.----- Original Message -----
Gary, I averaged one rib per day when I was in the rib mode. Of course I'm retired (retarded). I had kind of an assembly line going. First, I took yesterday's rib out of the jig, took the top rib cap for today's rib off the prebending jig and put it in the rib jig, then the bottom rib cap, then cut the connecting members per a prearranged plan, glued the members and installed the top-side gussets (precut). I then put the gussets on the back of yesterday's rib. Last I took a rib cap out of the soaker and put it in the prebending jig. Last I put another rib cap in the soaker, left the shop and closed the door. It was really the most enjoyable part of the project.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thanks for the insight. I'm right now soaking an additional two capstrips to bringthe total to 32. Hard to believe how much fun cutting and glueing wood togethercan be.Gary, each night I read a chapter of the "Little House on the Prairie" books tomy little girl. Last night there was a poem in the chapter:"Lost, between sunrise and sunset,One golden hour, set with sixty diamond minutes.No reward is offered, for it is gone forever."I don't know who came up with it (my background is more science and medicine, notliterature), but it kind of gave me a boost of inspiration to keep building.My goal was one rib per day like some others have posted. It took me longer,but it sure is fun to keep plugging away.Again, thanks for the help.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks for the insight. I'm right now soaking an additional two capstrips to bringthe total to 32. Hard to believe how much fun cutting and glueing wood togethercan be.Gary, each night I read a chapter of the "Little House on the Prairie" books tomy little girl. Last night there was a poem in the chapter:"Lost, between sunrise and sunset,One golden hour, set with sixty diamond minutes.No reward is offered, for it is gone forever."I don't know who came up with it (my background is more science and medicine, notliterature), but it kind of gave me a boost of inspiration to keep building.My goal was one rib per day like some others have posted. It took me longer,but it sure is fun to keep plugging away.Again, thanks for the help.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Charles,Seems like a great plan...worked good! Me? Takes 2 hours per rib, but Ifound them incredibly monotonous, thinking the whole time about other stuff!I now have the tail ready for cover, the fuselage and center section readyfor cover, and almost ready to run the engine on the airframe...but thoseremaining 7 ribs just keep waiting! Now, as Billy suggested, I need to build an extra one just for gee-whiz!Heck, that's going to add another 3 months to my build time....See you at Brodhead! (I'll be the guy in the ball cap with a camera)Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Charles,Seems like a great plan...worked good! Me? Takes 2 hours per rib, but Ifound them incredibly monotonous, thinking the whole time about other stuff!I now have the tail ready for cover, the fuselage and center section readyfor cover, and almost ready to run the engine on the airframe...but thoseremaining 7 ribs just keep waiting! Now, as Billy suggested, I need to build an extra one just for gee-whiz!Heck, that's going to add another 3 months to my build time....See you at Brodhead! (I'll be the guy in the ball cap with a camera)Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Tom,I admire you for working on your dream while still raising young-uns! Youmake a great example...Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Tom,I admire you for working on your dream while still raising young-uns! Youmake a great example...Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
I'm now about half way on the ribs. My question is with ailerons. Do you justbuild the entire rib section then cut out the ailerons? What about the centersections....do you build special ribs or do most just cut standard ribs apart?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
I'm now about half way on the ribs. My question is with ailerons. Do you justbuild the entire rib section then cut out the ailerons? What about the centersections....do you build special ribs or do most just cut standard ribs apart?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
Gary,Thanks for the kind words. Bedtime is at 8 o'clock and if there's anything residencytaught me, it's to live on 4-5 hours sleep. My Piet is getting built wheneveryone in my house sleeps.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Gary,Thanks for the kind words. Bedtime is at 8 o'clock and if there's anything residencytaught me, it's to live on 4-5 hours sleep. My Piet is getting built wheneveryone in my house sleeps.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Kringle,As I understand it, you build the wings on the spars first, then cut the aileronsout. Not certain about the center section, but I guess I'm planning on buildingfull ribs and cutting them out.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Kringle,As I understand it, you build the wings on the spars first, then cut the aileronsout. Not certain about the center section, but I guess I'm planning on buildingfull ribs and cutting them out.TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
Original Posted By: "Dangerous Dave"
Hey Ken,Hope your winter has been going well. Kind of hard to stomach the -16 degree weatherwe've had the last few days. Kind of cold in my garage so I've had tomove to the basement.I've added a few pictures--nothing that hasn't been seen before dozens of timeson this forum, but since you've asked.Maybe when the weather warms up I can swing up and take a look at your progress.I'm still interested in that Corvair engine. . .TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
Hey Ken,Hope your winter has been going well. Kind of hard to stomach the -16 degree weatherwe've had the last few days. Kind of cold in my garage so I've had tomove to the basement.I've added a few pictures--nothing that hasn't been seen before dozens of timeson this forum, but since you've asked.Maybe when the weather warms up I can swing up and take a look at your progress.I'm still interested in that Corvair engine. . .TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Michael,The reason most folks are putting in the forward braces is because theytake out the brace wires around the front cockpit and just bracing one side ofthe cockpit is not quite adequate.I will not have forward braces but rathercables the the motor mount and cables running from the rear cabanes to the sidesof the cockpit.You need something to keep the wing from cantilevering forwardin a crash-bad landing.Also if you just put your cabanes straight up and down,finisheverything but the motor mount,do a weight and balance with the planecomplete,covered etc. and put your motor in where it needs to be you will haveperfect weight and balance,no rubbing cables,great fit on the cockpit cowlsand no wondering if your CG is right or if you'll have to make a half dozen motormounts instead of one.On the other hand you can always toss a couple of bricksin to make it balance,they're cheap.Dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Michael,The reason most folks are putting in the forward braces is because theytake out the brace wires around the front cockpit and just bracing one side ofthe cockpit is not quite adequate.I will not have forward braces but rathercables the the motor mount and cables running from the rear cabanes to the sidesof the cockpit.You need something to keep the wing from cantilevering forwardin a crash-bad landing.Also if you just put your cabanes straight up and down,finisheverything but the motor mount,do a weight and balance with the planecomplete,covered etc. and put your motor in where it needs to be you will haveperfect weight and balance,no rubbing cables,great fit on the cockpit cowlsand no wondering if your CG is right or if you'll have to make a half dozen motormounts instead of one.On the other hand you can always toss a couple of bricksin to make it balance,they're cheap.Dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sounds like time to get a new wife...-----Original Message-----
Sounds like time to get a new wife...-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib question
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I don't know, Jack! I've had mine quite a few years and wouldn't want to break in a new one!----- Original Message -----
I don't know, Jack! I've had mine quite a few years and wouldn't want to break in a new one!----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Brace cables, pulleys, wing supports
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "Dangerous Dave" > > Michael,The reason most folks are putting in the forward> braces is because they take out the brace wires around the> front cockpit and just bracing one side of the cockpit is> not quite adequate.I will not have forward braces but rather> cables the the motor mount and cables running from the rear> cabanes to the sides of the cockpit.You need something to> keep the wing from cantilevering forward in a crash-bad> landing.Also if you just put your cabanes straight up and> down,finish everything but the motor mount,do a weight and> balance with the plane complete,covered etc. and put your> motor in where it needs to be you will have perfect weight> and balance,no rubbing cables,great fit on the cockpit cowls> and no wondering if your CG is right or if you'll have to> make a half dozen motor mounts instead of one.On the other> hand you can always toss a couple of bricks in to make it> balance,they're cheap.Dave> > --------> Covering Piet> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 986#327986> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "Dangerous Dave" > > Michael,The reason most folks are putting in the forward> braces is because they take out the brace wires around the> front cockpit and just bracing one side of the cockpit is> not quite adequate.I will not have forward braces but rather> cables the the motor mount and cables running from the rear> cabanes to the sides of the cockpit.You need something to> keep the wing from cantilevering forward in a crash-bad> landing.Also if you just put your cabanes straight up and> down,finish everything but the motor mount,do a weight and> balance with the plane complete,covered etc. and put your> motor in where it needs to be you will have perfect weight> and balance,no rubbing cables,great fit on the cockpit cowls> and no wondering if your CG is right or if you'll have to> make a half dozen motor mounts instead of one.On the other> hand you can always toss a couple of bricks in to make it> balance,they're cheap.Dave> > --------> Covering Piet> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 986#327986> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________