Original Posted By: TLC62770(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings>I thought I might better explain why I am working so hard on trying to>trailer my piet. I have a full wood shop in a building thats 60 x 120>and I only use the back third for the wood shop and the rest is just>there collecting dust. Its cold here in Northern Cal. about 7 months>out of the year so I don't envision flying it then,though that doesn't>seem to stop everybody! The airport is 7 miles away and if I pass 10>cars on the way the road is busy so I don't worry about getting>crunched! So while $50. hanger space is not to tough it would buy a lot>of gas!>I was watching a friend of my open his wings on his Kitfox the other day>and noticed that he basically swung them open and put in one front pin.>I remarked that it was strange that Kitfox hadn't come up with a auto>lock on the wings as forgeting that bolt could be big trouble! So the>bottom line here is that with my 20 years of building and flying models>and the experiences and insite from this group I would like to try and>get those wings to come off and on with ease and safety. If not I will>have to build a Kitfox or something and miss out on this great group or>pay for hangar space for a piet. So let me go get a few napkins and>------.>phil>>>-->Check out Crusader Toys @>http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/>>_____ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: wings
Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
I thought I might better explain why I am working so hard on trying totrailer my piet. I have a full wood shop in a building thats 60 x 120and I only use the back third for the wood shop and the rest is justthere collecting dust. Its cold here in Northern Cal. about 7 monthsout of the year so I don't envision flying it then,though that doesn'tseem to stop everybody! The airport is 7 miles away and if I pass 10cars on the way the road is busy so I don't worry about gettingcrunched! So while $50. hanger space is not to tough it would buy a lotof gas!I was watching a friend of my open his wings on his Kitfox the other dayand noticed that he basically swung them open and put in one front pin.I remarked that it was strange that Kitfox hadn't come up with a autolock on the wings as forgeting that bolt could be big trouble! So thebottom line here is that with my 20 years of building and flying modelsand the experiences and insite from this group I would like to try andget those wings to come off and on with ease and safety. If not I willhave to build a Kitfox or something and miss out on this great group orpay for hangar space for a piet. So let me go get a few napkins and------.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
I thought I might better explain why I am working so hard on trying totrailer my piet. I have a full wood shop in a building thats 60 x 120and I only use the back third for the wood shop and the rest is justthere collecting dust. Its cold here in Northern Cal. about 7 monthsout of the year so I don't envision flying it then,though that doesn'tseem to stop everybody! The airport is 7 miles away and if I pass 10cars on the way the road is busy so I don't worry about gettingcrunched! So while $50. hanger space is not to tough it would buy a lotof gas!I was watching a friend of my open his wings on his Kitfox the other dayand noticed that he basically swung them open and put in one front pin.I remarked that it was strange that Kitfox hadn't come up with a autolock on the wings as forgeting that bolt could be big trouble! So thebottom line here is that with my 20 years of building and flying modelsand the experiences and insite from this group I would like to try andget those wings to come off and on with ease and safety. If not I willhave to build a Kitfox or something and miss out on this great group orpay for hangar space for a piet. So let me go get a few napkins and------.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By:> Phil Peck
Cold in nor.cal. right! Could'nt resist . Doug in South Central Alberta Canada(you know,where the igloos and suchare)
Cold in nor.cal. right! Could'nt resist . Doug in South Central Alberta Canada(you know,where the igloos and suchare)
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Phil Peck
Phil;Did you notice that the Kitfox has its lift struts attached to the fuselageat one point below the rear spar.The lift struts in a Piet are parallel. The ailerons in the kitfox are pushtube operated while the Piet uses cables.There are a lot of differences, I guess maybe that is why one aircraft iscalled a Pietenpol and the other is a Kitfox.However anything probably could be done but again would it be a Piet?J McPS How can you have a shop with so much empty space? I thought stuffexpanded to fill the space available.
-----Original Message-----
Phil;Did you notice that the Kitfox has its lift struts attached to the fuselageat one point below the rear spar.The lift struts in a Piet are parallel. The ailerons in the kitfox are pushtube operated while the Piet uses cables.There are a lot of differences, I guess maybe that is why one aircraft iscalled a Pietenpol and the other is a Kitfox.However anything probably could be done but again would it be a Piet?J McPS How can you have a shop with so much empty space? I thought stuffexpanded to fill the space available.
-----Original Message-----Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By:>> Phil Peck
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings>John MC, Having helped my friend build his Kitfox I am well aware of>the hundreds of differences between it and a Piet. I only mentioned the>Kitfox and the chances of forgeting the single hinge pin as a way of>letting others know that I was VERY concerned about safety with regards>to any changes involving the piet and removing the wings alot.>As far as the empty shop space it does collect a lot of junk but nothing>that can't be discarded to make room for a piet. ( I keep enough of my>own junk so that my friends can't con me out of free storage space,>kind of selfish huh!) I studied the piet plans last night and I think I>can do what I want to do about the wings and still have less visual>impact on piet changes than say-a tail wheel,hinged door or the various>other changes that every one does to suit their needs. I think if>Mr.Pietenpol himself where still around you would be amazed at all the>things he would be trying !!>>>John McNarry wrote:>>> Phil;>> Did you notice that the Kitfox has its lift struts attached to the>> fuselage>> at one point below the rear spar.>> The lift struts in a Piet are parallel. The ailerons in the kitfox are>> push>> tube operated while the Piet uses cables.>> There are a lot of differences, I guess maybe that is why one aircraft>> is>> called a Pietenpol and the other is a Kitfox.>> However anything probably could be done but again would it be a Piet?>>>> J Mc>>>> PS How can you have a shop with so much empty space? I thought stuff>> expanded to fill the space available.>>>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings>John MC, Having helped my friend build his Kitfox I am well aware of>the hundreds of differences between it and a Piet. I only mentioned the>Kitfox and the chances of forgeting the single hinge pin as a way of>letting others know that I was VERY concerned about safety with regards>to any changes involving the piet and removing the wings alot.>As far as the empty shop space it does collect a lot of junk but nothing>that can't be discarded to make room for a piet. ( I keep enough of my>own junk so that my friends can't con me out of free storage space,>kind of selfish huh!) I studied the piet plans last night and I think I>can do what I want to do about the wings and still have less visual>impact on piet changes than say-a tail wheel,hinged door or the various>other changes that every one does to suit their needs. I think if>Mr.Pietenpol himself where still around you would be amazed at all the>things he would be trying !!>>>John McNarry wrote:>>> Phil;>> Did you notice that the Kitfox has its lift struts attached to the>> fuselage>> at one point below the rear spar.>> The lift struts in a Piet are parallel. The ailerons in the kitfox are>> push>> tube operated while the Piet uses cables.>> There are a lot of differences, I guess maybe that is why one aircraft>> is>> called a Pietenpol and the other is a Kitfox.>> However anything probably could be done but again would it be a Piet?>>>> J Mc>>>> PS How can you have a shop with so much empty space? I thought stuff>> expanded to fill the space available.
>>>> -----Original Message-----Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By:> Phil Peck
John MC, Having helped my friend build his Kitfox I am well aware ofthe hundreds of differences between it and a Piet. I only mentioned theKitfox and the chances of forgeting the single hinge pin as a way ofletting others know that I was VERY concerned about safety with regardsto any changes involving the piet and removing the wings alot.As far as the empty shop space it does collect a lot of junk but nothingthat can't be discarded to make room for a piet. ( I keep enough of myown junk so that my friends can't con me out of free storage space,kind of selfish huh!) I studied the piet plans last night and I think Ican do what I want to do about the wings and still have less visualimpact on piet changes than say-a tail wheel,hinged door or the variousother changes that every one does to suit their needs. I think ifMr.Pietenpol himself where still around you would be amazed at all thethings he would be trying !!John McNarry wrote:> Phil;> Did you notice that the Kitfox has its lift struts attached to the> fuselage> at one point below the rear spar.> The lift struts in a Piet are parallel. The ailerons in the kitfox are> push> tube operated while the Piet uses cables.> There are a lot of differences, I guess maybe that is why one aircraft> is> called a Pietenpol and the other is a Kitfox.> However anything probably could be done but again would it be a Piet?>> J Mc>> PS How can you have a shop with so much empty space? I thought stuff> expanded to fill the space available.>> -----Original Message-----
John MC, Having helped my friend build his Kitfox I am well aware ofthe hundreds of differences between it and a Piet. I only mentioned theKitfox and the chances of forgeting the single hinge pin as a way ofletting others know that I was VERY concerned about safety with regardsto any changes involving the piet and removing the wings alot.As far as the empty shop space it does collect a lot of junk but nothingthat can't be discarded to make room for a piet. ( I keep enough of myown junk so that my friends can't con me out of free storage space,kind of selfish huh!) I studied the piet plans last night and I think Ican do what I want to do about the wings and still have less visualimpact on piet changes than say-a tail wheel,hinged door or the variousother changes that every one does to suit their needs. I think ifMr.Pietenpol himself where still around you would be amazed at all thethings he would be trying !!John McNarry wrote:> Phil;> Did you notice that the Kitfox has its lift struts attached to the> fuselage> at one point below the rear spar.> The lift struts in a Piet are parallel. The ailerons in the kitfox are> push> tube operated while the Piet uses cables.> There are a lot of differences, I guess maybe that is why one aircraft> is> called a Pietenpol and the other is a Kitfox.> However anything probably could be done but again would it be a Piet?>> J Mc>> PS How can you have a shop with so much empty space? I thought stuff> expanded to fill the space available.
>> -----Original Message-----Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Phil Peck
Phil, Keep us posted on what you come up with!ThanksBrent ReedKent, WA-----Original Message-----
Phil, Keep us posted on what you come up with!ThanksBrent ReedKent, WA-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: TLC62770(at)aol.com
Phil: I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been readingthis list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment thatif Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting withhis design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the planseither. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general designto the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all seen somepretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you dofigure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us all knowplease.John Mc________________________________________________________________________________
Phil: I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been readingthis list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment thatif Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting withhis design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the planseither. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general designto the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all seen somepretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you dofigure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us all knowplease.John Mc________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up with sofar.Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2 inchesand and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom sidedown, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded flatwith bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the rearspar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end. Lots ofdetails would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be done. Whatwould I call it?A "pietenpol with folding wings".Steve E.-----Original Message-----John McNarrySent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wingsPhil: I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been readingthis list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment thatif Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting withhis design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the planseither. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general designto the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all seen somepretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you dofigure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us all knowplease.John Mc________________________________________________________________________________
I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up with sofar.Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2 inchesand and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom sidedown, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded flatwith bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the rearspar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end. Lots ofdetails would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be done. Whatwould I call it?A "pietenpol with folding wings".Steve E.-----Original Message-----John McNarrySent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wingsPhil: I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been readingthis list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment thatif Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting withhis design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the planseither. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general designto the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all seen somepretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you dofigure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us all knowplease.John Mc________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: wings
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Steve E. Thats the same thing I came up with. I even have the linkagesfiguared out so as to get that extra length when need to fold thewings. When I first started thinking about this I was going to use atrailer that had swing out arms to support the weight of the wings.Does any body know what one wing panel weights ? I am going to make aworking model of the center section and wing. After looking at thethree piece wing plans am I wrong in assuming that the only thingholding one wing on is four straps and the wing strut ?steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up> with so> far.>> Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2> inches> and and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom> side> down, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded> flat> with bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the> rear> spar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end.> Lots of> details would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be> done. What> would I call it?>> A "pietenpol with folding wings".>> Steve E.>> -----Original Message-----> John McNarry> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: wings>> Phil:> I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been> reading> this list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment> that> if Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting> with> his design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the> plans> either. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general> design> to the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all> seen some> pretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you> do> figure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us> all know> please.>> John Mc--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
Steve E. Thats the same thing I came up with. I even have the linkagesfiguared out so as to get that extra length when need to fold thewings. When I first started thinking about this I was going to use atrailer that had swing out arms to support the weight of the wings.Does any body know what one wing panel weights ? I am going to make aworking model of the center section and wing. After looking at thethree piece wing plans am I wrong in assuming that the only thingholding one wing on is four straps and the wing strut ?steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up> with so> far.>> Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2> inches> and and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom> side> down, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded> flat> with bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the> rear> spar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end.> Lots of> details would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be> done. What> would I call it?>> A "pietenpol with folding wings".>> Steve E.>> -----Original Message-----> John McNarry> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: wings>> Phil:> I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been> reading> this list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment> that> if Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting> with> his design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the> plans> either. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general> design> to the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all> seen some> pretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you> do> figure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us> all know> please.>> John Mc--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
> Re: wings
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Right. As I put my wings on and off I found it much easier to do it withtwo people. Each panel weighs about 80 lbs or so I'd guess, but after it iscovered, moving it is a two body job. One thing that would make handlingeasier is making a tip handle so you could grasp the tips, although ugly oneat the LE and TE would be best for positive handling. Making it a one manjob would be a trick. You would need a tip brace to disconnect the strutsand spar bolts, and probably a guide on the front spar in addition to therear spar swivel. Then you could disconnnect/connect with the wing in placeand then move out the the tip, slide the wing out 4-6 inches and tip thenose and walk it back. You would also need bracing for the wing to fit onthe trailer. Significant wear items would be fittings and bolts. Gettingeverything lined up each time I mounted the wings was a strugle too.Alignment is not easy without the leverage available from the wing tip. Ilive about 10 miles from the airport and thought seriously about trailering,but instead choose to tie down in the weather for a winter instead. I havea cheap hanger now,(not inexpensive) but at least it keeps the sun and rainand snow off.Steve E.-----Original Message-----Phil PeckSent: Monday, November 23, 1998 2:34 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Swing wing pietSteve E. Thats the same thing I came up with. I even have the linkagesfiguared out so as to get that extra length when need to fold thewings. When I first started thinking about this I was going to use atrailer that had swing out arms to support the weight of the wings.Does any body know what one wing panel weights ? I am going to make aworking model of the center section and wing. After looking at thethree piece wing plans am I wrong in assuming that the only thingholding one wing on is four straps and the wing strut ?steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up> with so> far.>> Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2> inches> and and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom> side> down, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded> flat> with bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the> rear> spar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end.> Lots of> details would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be> done. What> would I call it?>> A "pietenpol with folding wings".>> Steve E.>> -----Original Message-----> John McNarry> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: wings>> Phil:> I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been> reading> this list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment> that> if Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting> with> his design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the> plans> either. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general> design> to the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all> seen some> pretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you> do> figure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us> all know> please.>> John Mc--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
Right. As I put my wings on and off I found it much easier to do it withtwo people. Each panel weighs about 80 lbs or so I'd guess, but after it iscovered, moving it is a two body job. One thing that would make handlingeasier is making a tip handle so you could grasp the tips, although ugly oneat the LE and TE would be best for positive handling. Making it a one manjob would be a trick. You would need a tip brace to disconnect the strutsand spar bolts, and probably a guide on the front spar in addition to therear spar swivel. Then you could disconnnect/connect with the wing in placeand then move out the the tip, slide the wing out 4-6 inches and tip thenose and walk it back. You would also need bracing for the wing to fit onthe trailer. Significant wear items would be fittings and bolts. Gettingeverything lined up each time I mounted the wings was a strugle too.Alignment is not easy without the leverage available from the wing tip. Ilive about 10 miles from the airport and thought seriously about trailering,but instead choose to tie down in the weather for a winter instead. I havea cheap hanger now,(not inexpensive) but at least it keeps the sun and rainand snow off.Steve E.-----Original Message-----Phil PeckSent: Monday, November 23, 1998 2:34 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Swing wing pietSteve E. Thats the same thing I came up with. I even have the linkagesfiguared out so as to get that extra length when need to fold thewings. When I first started thinking about this I was going to use atrailer that had swing out arms to support the weight of the wings.Does any body know what one wing panel weights ? I am going to make aworking model of the center section and wing. After looking at thethree piece wing plans am I wrong in assuming that the only thingholding one wing on is four straps and the wing strut ?steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up> with so> far.>> Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2> inches> and and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom> side> down, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded> flat> with bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the> rear> spar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end.> Lots of> details would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be> done. What> would I call it?>> A "pietenpol with folding wings".>> Steve E.>> -----Original Message-----> John McNarry> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: wings>> Phil:> I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been> reading> this list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment> that> if Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting> with> his design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the> plans> either. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general> design> to the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all> seen some> pretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you> do> figure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us> all know> please.>> John Mc--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
> Re: wings
Original Posted By: Larry Neal
I to have given thought to folding wings. Picture this...a hinge folded flat, one side attached to the center section rear spar.the other hinge flat has a tube attached, through which a sliding bar rides. Pull the wing out a couple inches, drop the nose down and fold the wing on the hinge.ocb>From Steve(at)byu.edu Mon Nov 23 08:11:54 1998>Received: from [128.187.22.133] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail3089290313493506532493215974464548011; Mon Nov 23 08:11:54 1998>Received: from adena.byu.edu ("port 3046"@adena.byu.edu)> by EMAIL1.BYU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3118)> with ESMTP id for oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com;>Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:09:12 -0700>From: steve(at)byu.edu>Subject: Swing wing piet>Sender: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu>To: Pietenpol Discussion >Errors-to: Steve(at)byu.edu>Reply-to: Pietenpol Discussion >Message-id: >MIME-version: 1.0>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 (via Mercury MTS v1.43> (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.43 (NDS))>Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion" >X-Listname: >>I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up with so>far.>>Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2 inches>and and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom side>down, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded flat>with bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the rear>spar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end. Lots of>details would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be done. What>would I call it?>>A "pietenpol with folding wings".>>Steve E.>>-----Original Message----->John McNarry>Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: wings>>>Phil:> I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been reading>this list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment that>if Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting with>his design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the plans>either. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general design>to the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all seen some>pretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you do>figure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us all know>please.>>John Mc>>________________________________________________________________________________
I to have given thought to folding wings. Picture this...a hinge folded flat, one side attached to the center section rear spar.the other hinge flat has a tube attached, through which a sliding bar rides. Pull the wing out a couple inches, drop the nose down and fold the wing on the hinge.ocb>From Steve(at)byu.edu Mon Nov 23 08:11:54 1998>Received: from [128.187.22.133] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail3089290313493506532493215974464548011; Mon Nov 23 08:11:54 1998>Received: from adena.byu.edu ("port 3046"@adena.byu.edu)> by EMAIL1.BYU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3118)> with ESMTP id for oilcanbob(at)hotmail.com;>Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:09:12 -0700>From: steve(at)byu.edu>Subject: Swing wing piet>Sender: Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu>To: Pietenpol Discussion >Errors-to: Steve(at)byu.edu>Reply-to: Pietenpol Discussion >Message-id: >MIME-version: 1.0>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 (via Mercury MTS v1.43> (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.43 (NDS))>Comments: Originally To: "Pietenpol Discussion" >X-Listname: >>I've thought about this for a while, and here is what I have come up with so>far.>>Disconnect the front and rear spars, and struts. Pull the wing out 2 inches>and and drop the wing nose down 90 degrees, then fold the wing bottom side>down, up against the fuse. The struts are either removed or folded flat>with bottom of the wing. The pivot and slider would be mounted on the rear>spar and consist of a tube inside a tube with a U-joint on the end. Lots of>details would have to be worked out, like linkages, but could be done. What>would I call it?>>A "pietenpol with folding wings".>>Steve E.>>-----Original Message----->John McNarry>Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:29 PM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: wings>>>Phil:> I in no mean to be disrespectful of your desires and if youve been reading>this list for a while you would know that I too have made the comment that>if Bernie was still with us I'm sure he would still be experimenting with>his design. As for changes made well I can't say I've stuck to the plans>either. But safety comes first, and then , Does it alter the general design>to the point that it no longer looks like a Pietenpol? We have all seen some>pretty strange looking aircraft called by the Pietenpol name. If you do>figure out a simple safe and covenient way to swing the wing let us all know>please.>>John Mc>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: David Swagler
hello group==I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Luscombe wings(alum ribs & spar) w/ailerons (cable controled) fabric covered (to bereplaced) for not much more $ than materials to build wood wings...nowI know it distroys the Piet purity but I've got to consider the gobs oftime it will save me in getting my bird airborne. (I'm 61 years youngand watching the calender) the wings are adaptable with only minormodification to the center section.any comments pro or con ?????regardsJoeCZion, Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
hello group==I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Luscombe wings(alum ribs & spar) w/ailerons (cable controled) fabric covered (to bereplaced) for not much more $ than materials to build wood wings...nowI know it distroys the Piet purity but I've got to consider the gobs oftime it will save me in getting my bird airborne. (I'm 61 years youngand watching the calender) the wings are adaptable with only minormodification to the center section.any comments pro or con ?????regardsJoeCZion, Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: David Swagler
The first thing I would look at is the airfoil versus thehorizontal stabilizer area. The Piet's airfoil is almost reflexedand should be practically neutral whereas the Luscombe may causesignificant nose down force that requires more horizontal stabarea to compensate and give you the required amount of control.The Luscombe is a heavier plane than a Piet, isn't it? Whatspeed does the Luscomb stall at? What is the area of the wing?You should get enough lift if you can get enough speed up. Morelift from the wing translates into more drag and the Piet hasplenty of that already. It would probably be good to look atthe GN-1 and compare the Luscombs wing/airfoil to the Cub's thatthe GN-1 uses. With luck thay are the same or nearly the sameairfoil and that will point to what performance you can expect.It might be a good idea, but I'd want to be able to answer a lotof questions first.Mike BellColumbia, SCfishin on 06/22/99 09:31:30 AMPlease respond to Pietenpol Discussion cc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: wingshello group==I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Luscombewings(alum ribs & spar) w/ailerons (cable controled) fabric covered(to bereplaced) for not much more $ than materials to build woodwings...nowI know it distroys the Piet purity but I've got to consider thegobs oftime it will save me in getting my bird airborne. (I'm 61 yearsyoungand watching the calender) the wings are adaptable with onlyminormodification to the center section.any comments pro or con ?????regardsJoeCZion, Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
The first thing I would look at is the airfoil versus thehorizontal stabilizer area. The Piet's airfoil is almost reflexedand should be practically neutral whereas the Luscombe may causesignificant nose down force that requires more horizontal stabarea to compensate and give you the required amount of control.The Luscombe is a heavier plane than a Piet, isn't it? Whatspeed does the Luscomb stall at? What is the area of the wing?You should get enough lift if you can get enough speed up. Morelift from the wing translates into more drag and the Piet hasplenty of that already. It would probably be good to look atthe GN-1 and compare the Luscombs wing/airfoil to the Cub's thatthe GN-1 uses. With luck thay are the same or nearly the sameairfoil and that will point to what performance you can expect.It might be a good idea, but I'd want to be able to answer a lotof questions first.Mike BellColumbia, SCfishin on 06/22/99 09:31:30 AMPlease respond to Pietenpol Discussion cc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: wingshello group==I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Luscombewings(alum ribs & spar) w/ailerons (cable controled) fabric covered(to bereplaced) for not much more $ than materials to build woodwings...nowI know it distroys the Piet purity but I've got to consider thegobs oftime it will save me in getting my bird airborne. (I'm 61 yearsyoungand watching the calender) the wings are adaptable with onlyminormodification to the center section.any comments pro or con ?????regardsJoeCZion, Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
What would you call it...a Pietencombe? Maybe a Luskenpole? ________________________________________________________________________________
What would you call it...a Pietencombe? Maybe a Luskenpole? ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Mike Bell
The GN-1 doesn't use a CUB air foil but a modifiedPietenpol. The cub used three different airfoils,----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
The GN-1 doesn't use a CUB air foil but a modifiedPietenpol. The cub used three different airfoils,----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
For all in the process of building and not yet done the wings, I just finished building a three piece wing. On my last Piet I built a one piece wing. In my opinion the three section was much harder to build. Yes, it is easier to move around in smaller sections and the one piece requires a larger work area, but if there is a next time, it'll be a one piece.Dick N________________________________________________________________________________
For all in the process of building and not yet done the wings, I just finished building a three piece wing. On my last Piet I built a one piece wing. In my opinion the three section was much harder to build. Yes, it is easier to move around in smaller sections and the one piece requires a larger work area, but if there is a next time, it'll be a one piece.Dick N________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: Ben Ramler
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wingsDick,Do you think the 3-piece wing is heavier than the 1-piece? Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:18:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wingsDick,Do you think the 3-piece wing is heavier than the 1-piece? Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:18:46 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
The three piece is definetly heavier. With all the extra bracing and steel fittings, I would say at least 5 lb. more.I see the point of being easier to transport a three piece after an off field landing.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
The three piece is definetly heavier. With all the extra bracing and steel fittings, I would say at least 5 lb. more.I see the point of being easier to transport a three piece after an off field landing.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: shad bell
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wingsIn a message dated 1/9/2007 12:03:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:For all in the process of building and not yet done the wings, I just finished building a three piece wing. On my last Piet I built a one piece wing.In my opinion the three section was much harder to build. Yes, it is easier to move around in smaller sections and the one piece requires a larger work area, but if there is a next time, it'll be a one piece.Dick NDick, I find it very interesting you would opt for the one piece if you were to do another. I have probably wrestled with this aspect of construction (one piece or three piece) more than any other. Although I initially gravitated toward the one piece, it seemed logistically prudent to go the 3-piece route,especially if I wanted to build in some dihedral. On the other hand, the one piece looks cumbersome and hard to handle.Ron________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wingsIn a message dated 1/9/2007 12:03:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:For all in the process of building and not yet done the wings, I just finished building a three piece wing. On my last Piet I built a one piece wing.In my opinion the three section was much harder to build. Yes, it is easier to move around in smaller sections and the one piece requires a larger work area, but if there is a next time, it'll be a one piece.Dick NDick, I find it very interesting you would opt for the one piece if you were to do another. I have probably wrestled with this aspect of construction (one piece or three piece) more than any other. Although I initially gravitated toward the one piece, it seemed logistically prudent to go the 3-piece route,especially if I wanted to build in some dihedral. On the other hand, the one piece looks cumbersome and hard to handle.Ron________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
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Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
When they do are you going to make them scream"POCA, POCA" and video it for the rest of usdistance schmucks?
=C2-ClifCharles look me up and you guys can sit in mine. We should be there Saturday the 26 and leaving Friday the 1st cell 404 392 5612.....--- =C2-________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
When they do are you going to make them scream"POCA, POCA" and video it for the rest of usdistance schmucks?
=C2-ClifCharles look me up and you guys can sit in mine. We should be there Saturday the 26 and leaving Friday the 1st cell 404 392 5612.....--- =C2-________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wingsPietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.________________________________________________________________________________
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.________________________________________________________________________________
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Well, it's a little late now to mention it, but you might not want to gluethe ribs in place until you've got the drag and anti-drag wires in place andhave the wing trammeled. You will almost certainly need to move some ofthose ribs an inch or two to clear the wires. It is not necessary to gluethe ribs to the spars at all. I just used AN501 nails on mine. Once thewing is together and the fabric is rib-laced the ribs can't move anyway.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC _____
Well, it's a little late now to mention it, but you might not want to gluethe ribs in place until you've got the drag and anti-drag wires in place andhave the wing trammeled. You will almost certainly need to move some ofthose ribs an inch or two to clear the wires. It is not necessary to gluethe ribs to the spars at all. I just used AN501 nails on mine. Once thewing is together and the fabric is rib-laced the ribs can't move anyway.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Looking good, Chuck. If you run into clearance problems with wires like Jack described,I've seen people put doublers on the affected rib intercoastals andthen clearance those intercoastals for clearance (Clarence).Hope that makes sense.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Looking good, Chuck. If you run into clearance problems with wires like Jack described,I've seen people put doublers on the affected rib intercoastals andthen clearance those intercoastals for clearance (Clarence).Hope that makes sense.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
Been there -- done that. What I did was slid the ribs on and positioned them about where the plans call for. I then mounted the 6 metal fittings that the wires connect to and ran mason cord between the fittings in lieu of the wires. I then adjusted the rib positions so that the wires would clear and marked the positions on the front spar. I then took the ribs off the spars, and using a square, transferred the marks to the rear spar. then I marked and drew perpendicular lines at the same places on the left wing spars (the wing shown is the right wing.) So when I go to put the wires in, they should not touch the ribs anywhere. As far as using the nails -- I didn't think that I would have room to hammer the nails in. What did you use -- a midget hammer? ----- Original Message -----
Been there -- done that. What I did was slid the ribs on and positioned them about where the plans call for. I then mounted the 6 metal fittings that the wires connect to and ran mason cord between the fittings in lieu of the wires. I then adjusted the rib positions so that the wires would clear and marked the positions on the front spar. I then took the ribs off the spars, and using a square, transferred the marks to the rear spar. then I marked and drew perpendicular lines at the same places on the left wing spars (the wing shown is the right wing.) So when I go to put the wires in, they should not touch the ribs anywhere. As far as using the nails -- I didn't think that I would have room to hammer the nails in. What did you use -- a midget hammer? ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb,Conti...I have one from a rubber needle. I think you can use that with a derlin needle. You are welcome to it, if you want it. Dave________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:13:53 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb,Conti...I have one from a rubber needle. I think you can use that with a derlin needle. You are welcome to it, if you want it. Dave________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:13:53 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Nice, but you have some very grainy wing spars there (?).Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Nice, but you have some very grainy wing spars there (?).Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: Charles Campbell
Looks good Chuck. Don't worry about the bracing wire clearance. I had some interference problems and added (or subtracted) small pieces to my rib structure in order to accommodate the wire location. I did not want to move my ribs from side-to-side, as I thought it might be detected by some astute inspectors at Brodhead. :O)My ribs are fastened to the LE (per plans) AND glued to the spars. Just make darn sure you like the way things line-up, because (as I'm sure you are well-aware) after gluing a few ribs, you "aint gonna" move anything on that wing.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Looks good Chuck. Don't worry about the bracing wire clearance. I had some interference problems and added (or subtracted) small pieces to my rib structure in order to accommodate the wire location. I did not want to move my ribs from side-to-side, as I thought it might be detected by some astute inspectors at Brodhead. :O)My ribs are fastened to the LE (per plans) AND glued to the spars. Just make darn sure you like the way things line-up, because (as I'm sure you are well-aware) after gluing a few ribs, you "aint gonna" move anything on that wing.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
Original Posted By: james theissen
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
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Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Yeah, the first six I glued are affixed permanently. I glued up the balance of the right wing today. Well there is a difference in the rib spacing so the inspectors will have something to talk about. I don't care, as long as it flies -- I ain't trying to win any beauty pageants. Bought a Corvair project for Tom Brant in Minnesota and got in line with Dan Weseman for a 5th bearing assembly. Gonna go get some welding instruction tommorrow. About all the welding left is the landing gear and wing struts. Hope to get it in the air and time flown off in time to fly to Barnwell SC for a Corvair 'college' in November. Gotta get hot. If I didn't have to sleep i could get a lot more done :0) Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Yeah, the first six I glued are affixed permanently. I glued up the balance of the right wing today. Well there is a difference in the rib spacing so the inspectors will have something to talk about. I don't care, as long as it flies -- I ain't trying to win any beauty pageants. Bought a Corvair project for Tom Brant in Minnesota and got in line with Dan Weseman for a 5th bearing assembly. Gonna go get some welding instruction tommorrow. About all the welding left is the landing gear and wing struts. Hope to get it in the air and time flown off in time to fly to Barnwell SC for a Corvair 'college' in November. Gotta get hot. If I didn't have to sleep i could get a lot more done :0) Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Yeah -- about a year. The wood is Douglas fir and yes on a couple of pieces the grain is a little wavy. ----- Original Message -----
Yeah -- about a year. The wood is Douglas fir and yes on a couple of pieces the grain is a little wavy. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Original Posted By: Andrew M Eldredge
Jeff:I will agree that the FGM control system is neat looking and works fine, but mybiggest complaint is that the aileron cables are easy to step on when gettingsituated in the rear cockpit. You really have to be careful not to catch a healwhen getting in and out. The "Improved Air Camper" control system uses ahorn on the control column and the cables exit the fuselage vertically, thus keepingthem away from your feet. It really is an improvement in my opinion...Brett PhillipsStrasburg, VANX311GPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:31:50 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Jeff:I will agree that the FGM control system is neat looking and works fine, but mybiggest complaint is that the aileron cables are easy to step on when gettingsituated in the rear cockpit. You really have to be careful not to catch a healwhen getting in and out. The "Improved Air Camper" control system uses ahorn on the control column and the cables exit the fuselage vertically, thus keepingthem away from your feet. It really is an improvement in my opinion...Brett PhillipsStrasburg, VANX311GPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:31:50 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
While we're on the subject of wings, how much rib capstrip does one usually orderto compete the wing ribs? I'm getting close to making an order from AircraftSpruce, and woud like to know how much to order without ordering way too much.Since I have my tail section built, I don't need capstrip for those component...Thanks for any input!--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
While we're on the subject of wings, how much rib capstrip does one usually orderto compete the wing ribs? I'm getting close to making an order from AircraftSpruce, and woud like to know how much to order without ordering way too much.Since I have my tail section built, I don't need capstrip for those component...Thanks for any input!--------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Without trying to be flippant (well, maybe a little, Billy), what I did andmost people have done is to take a tape measure and add up the lengths ofthe uprights and diagonals, then add the upper and lower capstrips.Multiply that answer by 30.As I recall, I used 3 6' pices of 1/4" x 1/2" spruce per rib, but this was15 years ago so check my memory (and my math).Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Without trying to be flippant (well, maybe a little, Billy), what I did andmost people have done is to take a tape measure and add up the lengths ofthe uprights and diagonals, then add the upper and lower capstrips.Multiply that answer by 30.As I recall, I used 3 6' pices of 1/4" x 1/2" spruce per rib, but this was15 years ago so check my memory (and my math).Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Raleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Jack's memory seems to be working pretty good.Three 6 foot pieces per rib works out nicely, for the REAL Pietenpol ribs, anyway- maybe different if you're using the Riblett airfoil.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Jack's memory seems to be working pretty good.Three 6 foot pieces per rib works out nicely, for the REAL Pietenpol ribs, anyway- maybe different if you're using the Riblett airfoil.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
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Hello,friend!I have bought several products on www.apple-33g.com a month ago.? I felt they are pretty good after being used for a while, the most important is they provide products at lower price and free delivery charges. So I strongly recommend you to visit this website. Maybe you will find something you really need.Wishing you many future sucesses! ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Your wing spars really worry me. Seriously.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Your wing spars really worry me. Seriously.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin PietersI should be well into my hangar by this time in case you're interested in attending the: Event Name: 1st. Annual Amish Country Taildragger Fly-In Event Location: Lancaster, PA Event Date: June 11, 2011 Contact Name: _Al Hubler_ (mailto:c177batcpilot(at)aol.com) Contact Phone: 717-468-8014 Additional Comments: All makes and models of taildraggers are welcome. Shoo-Fly Pie, Chicken Corn Soup, Whoopie Pies, Homemade Root Beer. Fly Mart (Bring your aviation items to sell) RSVP if possible. No Rain Date.I live close by and expect to attend I am hoping the Pieters will show, please let me know if youre interested in attending. If all goes well Ill have a hangar for shelter and what ever else I can scrounge up to make the trip a bit more comfortableFYI its KLNS for those that are interested in finding it on the Baltimore Washington sectionalPlease advise on or off list just curious to see if any peters would be interested in attending.John________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:30:02 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin PietersI should be well into my hangar by this time in case you're interested in attending the: Event Name: 1st. Annual Amish Country Taildragger Fly-In Event Location: Lancaster, PA Event Date: June 11, 2011 Contact Name: _Al Hubler_ (mailto:c177batcpilot(at)aol.com) Contact Phone: 717-468-8014 Additional Comments: All makes and models of taildraggers are welcome. Shoo-Fly Pie, Chicken Corn Soup, Whoopie Pies, Homemade Root Beer. Fly Mart (Bring your aviation items to sell) RSVP if possible. No Rain Date.I live close by and expect to attend I am hoping the Pieters will show, please let me know if youre interested in attending. If all goes well Ill have a hangar for shelter and what ever else I can scrounge up to make the trip a bit more comfortableFYI its KLNS for those that are interested in finding it on the Baltimore Washington sectionalPlease advise on or off list just curious to see if any peters would be interested in attending.John________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:30:02 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Don't worry about it -- I don't.----- Original Message -----
Don't worry about it -- I don't.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Those are the unshielded mags, right? I'll have to stop by the hangar later andcheck on the p-leads on mine.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Those are the unshielded mags, right? I'll have to stop by the hangar later andcheck on the p-leads on mine.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Chuck,Please take these comments as positive, caring, criticism. The way the pictureslook the spars do not meet the wood specs that are called for. We do have theliberty to build what we want and basically how we want, but those specs havebeen called out for a reason. Please check them over. I've built severalspars for several airplanes and this is an area that you clearly don't want touse sub par materials. The really cool thing right now is that there doesn'tseem to be a shortage of excellent spar quality spruce wood. Probably about$800 will get you excellent spar material from one of the top aircraft suppliersand you'll have it in about 2 weeks. Pretty good for the most important structuralpart of the airplane.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Chuck,Please take these comments as positive, caring, criticism. The way the pictureslook the spars do not meet the wood specs that are called for. We do have theliberty to build what we want and basically how we want, but those specs havebeen called out for a reason. Please check them over. I've built severalspars for several airplanes and this is an area that you clearly don't want touse sub par materials. The really cool thing right now is that there doesn'tseem to be a shortage of excellent spar quality spruce wood. Probably about$800 will get you excellent spar material from one of the top aircraft suppliersand you'll have it in about 2 weeks. Pretty good for the most important structuralpart of the airplane.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
I mean, if I were building a 300-HP, 300-MPH airplane this would be a concern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and will probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break! ----- Original Message -----
I mean, if I were building a 300-HP, 300-MPH airplane this would be a concern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and will probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break! ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You should consider 4.5 Gs positive and 1.5 Gs negative when designing anonaerobatic aircraft.Bob
You should consider 4.5 Gs positive and 1.5 Gs negative when designing anonaerobatic aircraft.Bob
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
And it was designed with these parameters in mind. If you use sub par materials you are reducing the safety factors. If it was designed with 300mph and 6+ -Gs in mind and you are operating at 100mph and 3.5+ 1.5- then that would be a different story.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
And it was designed with these parameters in mind. If you use sub par materials you are reducing the safety factors. If it was designed with 300mph and 6+ -Gs in mind and you are operating at 100mph and 3.5+ 1.5- then that would be a different story.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Original Posted By: norm
Norm, here's the thing. I have epoxy glued 14 ribs to those spars. I don't want to tear that whole thing up if I don't have to. This 'dar' you mentioned, how can I find out who he/she is for my area and do you think he/she would be willing to come look at the wing to see if I REALLY need to tear it up? I'm satisfied that for what the airplane will be asked to do that it would be perfectly safe. But, as you say, it would be a shame to get the thing finished and then not be able to get it licensed. I would appreciate your ideas. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Norm, here's the thing. I have epoxy glued 14 ribs to those spars. I don't want to tear that whole thing up if I don't have to. This 'dar' you mentioned, how can I find out who he/she is for my area and do you think he/she would be willing to come look at the wing to see if I REALLY need to tear it up? I'm satisfied that for what the airplane will be asked to do that it would be perfectly safe. But, as you say, it would be a shame to get the thing finished and then not be able to get it licensed. I would appreciate your ideas. Chuck ----- Original Message -----