Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Mike C.NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights weregood, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren'tperfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. I amfixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I shouldhave stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been ahero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and giving hima play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so my decentwas higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hardlanding. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). The rightside gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I found theweakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material Iused was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have weldedgussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No? Anyway Idid not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to thefuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did notcolapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld atabove the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on thepavement then onto grass.The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets to theundamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have agood understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.Domenic________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: First flight
Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight
Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
Hope I have better luck. Last Thursday N4057T - (a GN-1) had its conformaty(sp?) inspection. All is well. Friday I arranged for a bienannual flightreview next week and have made arrangements for some tailwheel tng. ThenSaturday I bought a Stitts Playboy project, less engine. It should keep meoff the streets for a couple of years. Some people never learn.> Mike C.> NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were> good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't> perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. Iam> fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should> have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a> hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and givinghim> a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so mydecent> was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard> landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). Theright> side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I foundthe> weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I> used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded> gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No?Anyway I> did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the> fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not> colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at> above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the> pavement then onto grass.> The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.> I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets tothe> undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a> good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.> Domenic> ________________________________________________________________________________
Hope I have better luck. Last Thursday N4057T - (a GN-1) had its conformaty(sp?) inspection. All is well. Friday I arranged for a bienannual flightreview next week and have made arrangements for some tailwheel tng. ThenSaturday I bought a Stitts Playboy project, less engine. It should keep meoff the streets for a couple of years. Some people never learn.> Mike C.> NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were> good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't> perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. Iam> fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should> have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a> hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and givinghim> a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so mydecent> was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard> landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). Theright> side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I foundthe> weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I> used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded> gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No?Anyway I> did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the> fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not> colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at> above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the> pavement then onto grass.> The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.> I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets tothe> undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a> good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.> Domenic> ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight
Original Posted By: arkiesacres(at)juno.com
Domenic,Sounds like you got good advice. I find that the Piet almost has to bepointed at the ground on the approach. I hold the "dive bomber" attitudeuntil I am 1' off the ground and then flare for a great 3 point landing. Iactually fly the approach faster than my cruise ( I cruise very low andslow). Every once and a while I revert to my Cessna 140 approach and reallypancake in. I have to carry speed into the flare.Ted>Mike C.>NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were>good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't>perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. I am>fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should>have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a>hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and giving him>a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so my decent>was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard>landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). The right>side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I found the>weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I>used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded>gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No? Anyway I>did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the>fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not>colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at>above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the>pavement then onto grass.>The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.>I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets to the>undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a>good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.>Domenic>>________________________________________________________________________________
Domenic,Sounds like you got good advice. I find that the Piet almost has to bepointed at the ground on the approach. I hold the "dive bomber" attitudeuntil I am 1' off the ground and then flare for a great 3 point landing. Iactually fly the approach faster than my cruise ( I cruise very low andslow). Every once and a while I revert to my Cessna 140 approach and reallypancake in. I have to carry speed into the flare.Ted>Mike C.>NO I haven't flown it since the third flight. The first two flights were>good, at least I made it back on the ground safely. The flights weren't>perfect though, I found I have an engine breathing problem to sort out. I am>fixing that this week. The third flight on the same day (some say I should>have stayed on the ground after the first flight... I would have been a>hero), however was not so good. After talking to Brian Kenney and giving him>a play by play on the set-up, I think I was coming in too slow so my decent>was higher than the previous 2 flights. Consequently I had a rather hard>landing. One I might add I will never forget or do again(I hope). The right>side gear bent just where it should have bent. The good thing is I found the>weakness in the gear early and sustained no other damage. The Material I>used was 4130 Cond. N Streamline tubing. I suppose I sould have welded>gussets to support the weldment, but hindsite is a good thing...No? Anyway I>did not upset the aircraft or ding anything else. No damage at all to the>fuselage, for which I am thankfull. I cant believe that the gear did not>colapse. The only thing that happened was , it bent just above the weld at>above the axle. It slid on the inside edge of the axle, first on the>pavement then onto grass.>The gussets are noe tacked in place, after the camber and toe-in was set.>I'll get that side back next week-end. Then I'll have to weld gussets to the>undamaged side as well. So... looks like a 2-3 week affair. I now have a>good understanding of the true field fix. This is all I have for now.>Domenic>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: "Brants"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flightPieters,According to my test pilot, he was intending to do some runway taxi runs when 41CC lifted from the runway and he could only follow it's lead and fly the pattern. It looked beautiful, sounded smooth and I was on cloud 99 up there with them. He came down and lightly settled on the runway in a perfect 3 pointer. Next thing I knew he was gone again, this time climbing at a pretty steep angle, another perfect 3 pointer. Then another 150 ft take off. Boy, am I proud. He said the ship flew like a dream. Only problem was he had to hold back pressure on the stick on down wind at 2100. Remember I told you he only weights 135 lbs. He reported all controls were quick and effective. Good elevator response on flare. Chris I think I'll stick with those W & B tips you gave me.It's been a long day which ended happily. I can't really describe the inner feeling I had seeing our work Joe take to the air.Corky in La where they tell me we are going to have some wind tonight________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:30:53 -0500
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flightPieters,According to my test pilot, he was intending to do some runway taxi runs when 41CC lifted from the runway and he could only follow it's lead and fly the pattern. It looked beautiful, sounded smooth and I was on cloud 99 up there with them. He came down and lightly settled on the runway in a perfect 3 pointer. Next thing I knew he was gone again, this time climbing at a pretty steep angle, another perfect 3 pointer. Then another 150 ft take off. Boy, am I proud. He said the ship flew like a dream. Only problem was he had to hold back pressure on the stick on down wind at 2100. Remember I told you he only weights 135 lbs. He reported all controls were quick and effective. Good elevator response on flare. Chris I think I'll stick with those W & B tips you gave me.It's been a long day which ended happily. I can't really describe the inner feeling I had seeing our work Joe take to the air.Corky in La where they tell me we are going to have some wind tonight________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:30:53 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: "Richard V. Reynolds"
10/03/2002 07:35:19 AMCongratulations!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:51:01 -0400
10/03/2002 07:35:19 AMCongratulations!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:51:01 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Woowee! Corky. Hey, can you ride as crew in the States?John-----Original Message-----
Woowee! Corky. Hey, can you ride as crew in the States?John-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: "John McNarry"
Corky,Congratulations again! Now you not only have a legit aircraft, but a greatflying one also.Thanks for the answer to my question. I guess I was assuming a verticalstick would equal neutral elevator, and now I see, adjust the cables to getthe movement you need up and down and let neutral fall where ever it will.Thanks SkipPS Keep your head down, just heard Lili has been down graded to cat 1, butthat is still a hurricane.________________________________________________________________________________
Corky,Congratulations again! Now you not only have a legit aircraft, but a greatflying one also.Thanks for the answer to my question. I guess I was assuming a verticalstick would equal neutral elevator, and now I see, adjust the cables to getthe movement you need up and down and let neutral fall where ever it will.Thanks SkipPS Keep your head down, just heard Lili has been down graded to cat 1, butthat is still a hurricane.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: "Wayne McIntosh"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flightYes, I can ride after the 25 hrs fly off or if it would be necessary to go with my test pilot as to determine some safety feature of the craft. Of course if I could find some kid with a Private license to go then I could fly my plane. There are a few options. I'm exploring them all. Corky in La where we hardly got wet________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flightYes, I can ride after the 25 hrs fly off or if it would be necessary to go with my test pilot as to determine some safety feature of the craft. Of course if I could find some kid with a Private license to go then I could fly my plane. There are a few options. I'm exploring them all. Corky in La where we hardly got wet________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By:
That is great Corky. Hope the wind did not get to you.Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN----- Original Message -----
That is great Corky. Hope the wind did not get to you.Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flightHello good people!!My first airplane flight was given to me by a Civil Air Patrol volunteer in an Aeronca Champ circa 1967 at Schaumburg (IL) Airport. His name was Rudy Gasperich. He was a tireless worker and was the fixture tow pilot for our CAP glider operation in a farmers field in Algonquin IL. back in those days. I canremember that he would sit in that towplane (PA-12) for about 4 hours at a time, never getting out of the seat. When he was running low on fuel he wouldfly over to Crystal Lake (now Lake-in-the-hills). ...........I guess that is why I am partial to Aeroncas. Anyway I met up with him many years later over at Poplar Grove, and told him how much I appreciated him for doing all that. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:26:11 -0600
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flightHello good people!!My first airplane flight was given to me by a Civil Air Patrol volunteer in an Aeronca Champ circa 1967 at Schaumburg (IL) Airport. His name was Rudy Gasperich. He was a tireless worker and was the fixture tow pilot for our CAP glider operation in a farmers field in Algonquin IL. back in those days. I canremember that he would sit in that towplane (PA-12) for about 4 hours at a time, never getting out of the seat. When he was running low on fuel he wouldfly over to Crystal Lake (now Lake-in-the-hills). ...........I guess that is why I am partial to Aeroncas. Anyway I met up with him many years later over at Poplar Grove, and told him how much I appreciated him for doing all that. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:26:11 -0600
Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing brace wires
Original Posted By: airlion
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: Rod Wooller
Well done, Rod!Keep us posted on the "minor alterations and adjustments". When will you fly it?Greg CardinalMinneapolis ----- Original Message -----
Well done, Rod!Keep us posted on the "minor alterations and adjustments". When will you fly it?Greg CardinalMinneapolis ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Outstanding, Rod! Great feeling, isn't it?Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Outstanding, Rod! Great feeling, isn't it?Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Congrats! That is really motivating. I just bought my spar wood from woodsmithstore in Des Moines Iowa yesterday, this makes me want to go work on it rightnow. Beautiful plane! I hope you have countless hours of enjoyment for all yourtoils.--------Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete theflight.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires
Congrats! That is really motivating. I just bought my spar wood from woodsmithstore in Des Moines Iowa yesterday, this makes me want to go work on it rightnow. Beautiful plane! I hope you have countless hours of enjoyment for all yourtoils.--------Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete theflight.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: Hans Van Der Voort
Somewhere in the bowels of the FAA publications is a reference that says "primarycontrol cables" will be at least 1/8 inch. Just did a quick look at 43-13but didn't find the reference. Might be in Part 23? In any event, that's theorigin. I don't think brace or drag/antidrag have a specific minimum size. Noguarantees on that last statement.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Somewhere in the bowels of the FAA publications is a reference that says "primarycontrol cables" will be at least 1/8 inch. Just did a quick look at 43-13but didn't find the reference. Might be in Part 23? In any event, that's theorigin. I don't think brace or drag/antidrag have a specific minimum size. Noguarantees on that last statement.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing brace wires
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I used 3/32 on all control cables, 1/16 on tail wires, but 1/8 on wing brace wires.Can't muscle more than the strength on the 3/32The tail lumber can't handle more than the 1/16And the wing bracing is redundancy on the strutsMade sense to me HansNX15KV-----Original Message-----
I used 3/32 on all control cables, 1/16 on tail wires, but 1/8 on wing brace wires.Can't muscle more than the strength on the 3/32The tail lumber can't handle more than the 1/16And the wing bracing is redundancy on the strutsMade sense to me HansNX15KV-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: congratulations Rod!!!
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Beautiful plane Rod, and a great example of perseverance!!Thanks for sharing the great day.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: congratulations Rod!!!
Beautiful plane Rod, and a great example of perseverance!!Thanks for sharing the great day.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: congratulations Rod!!!
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: Rod Wooller
G=99day Rod,Congrats on a great job mate! It must have been a real buzz to see you pride and joy doing what it is meant to do!Until now, I didn=99t know anything about your project but it is still great to see another Piet in the air.It will be quite a few years before I get anywhere near completion but like you, I just have to keep plugging away at it and the day will come.Anyway mate, good on ya, stay safe and have fun with your new toy!!Mark StanleyOzzy in Japan
G=99day Rod,Congrats on a great job mate! It must have been a real buzz to see you pride and joy doing what it is meant to do!Until now, I didn=99t know anything about your project but it is still great to see another Piet in the air.It will be quite a few years before I get anywhere near completion but like you, I just have to keep plugging away at it and the day will come.Anyway mate, good on ya, stay safe and have fun with your new toy!!Mark StanleyOzzy in Japan
RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: Rick Schreiber
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Original Posted By: Rick Schreiber
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Really cool Rick!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires
Really cool Rick!--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
The strut brace wires perform the exact same function as the drag/anti-drag wiresin the wings. They keep the rectangular box formed by the struts, the fuselage,and the wing compression struts (sort of a box on an angle) from going parallelogramon you. The short struts from the cabanes to the engine mount alsoassist in keeping the whole wing assembly square and true. Cubs and Aeroncasdon't need the strut braces because the triangle formed with the wing is astable geometric shape and their equivalent of our "center section" is the tubestructure of the fuselage which is pretty darn rigid in comparison. Your are correct that the cables are redundant but they are redundant to the diagonalon the cabanes, not the lift struts.I'm thinking 1/8 is a pretty reasonable number.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:45:43 -0500
The strut brace wires perform the exact same function as the drag/anti-drag wiresin the wings. They keep the rectangular box formed by the struts, the fuselage,and the wing compression struts (sort of a box on an angle) from going parallelogramon you. The short struts from the cabanes to the engine mount alsoassist in keeping the whole wing assembly square and true. Cubs and Aeroncasdon't need the strut braces because the triangle formed with the wing is astable geometric shape and their equivalent of our "center section" is the tubestructure of the fuselage which is pretty darn rigid in comparison. Your are correct that the cables are redundant but they are redundant to the diagonalon the cabanes, not the lift struts.I'm thinking 1/8 is a pretty reasonable number.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:45:43 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: John Kuhfahl
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight
Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight
Original Posted By: "scudrun"
Funny... I didn't see ONE piece of spruce in the whole thing... NOT ONE!And they call it an airplane??!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhN_T5t ... a_playerle, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight
Funny... I didn't see ONE piece of spruce in the whole thing... NOT ONE!And they call it an airplane??!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhN_T5t ... a_playerle, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight
Pietenpol-List: First flight
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Congratulations Dave!! Looked like an eminently successful first flight, abeautiful plane and an extremely well done video. Better than most of our"shaky-cam" segments most of us take as if it was a last minute thing.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:19:51 -0500
Congratulations Dave!! Looked like an eminently successful first flight, abeautiful plane and an extremely well done video. Better than most of our"shaky-cam" segments most of us take as if it was a last minute thing.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:19:51 -0500