Original Posted By: arkiesacres(at)juno.com
I just bought an ELT for my Horizon2 (the previous owner didn't include one in the sale). The antenna that came with it is about two feet long and (according to the instructions) is supposed to be mounted near vertical and externally. I this really necessary? I don't seem to remember seeing an antenna sticking up on most Piets (was I not paying attention?). The Horizon2 is wood and fabric so there are no spam can considerations.Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: ELTs
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
Dean Dayton wrote:> > I just bought an ELT for my Horizon2 (the previous owner didn't include> one in the sale). The antenna that came with it is about two feet long> and (according to the instructions) is supposed to be mounted near> vertical and externally. I this really necessary? I don't seem to> remember seeing an antenna sticking up on most Piets (was I not paying> attention?). The Horizon2 is wood and fabric so there are no spam can> considerations.> > Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com> HI Dean , No you do not need to mount the antenna externally, howeveryou do have a problem that "spam cans" don't, thats a good ground. Toovercome this you will need to mount a piece of alumunum in the bellyand use it as your "ground plane" . This will need to be at least 18inssq. This is the same problem that composites have. I think that mostpeople just make a tray and mount it on top of the lower longerons anduse it to mount both the ELT and it's antenna. The size is aproximateand certainly may be larger. Hope this helps.Happy landings Wayne Tokarz________________________________________________________________________________
Dean Dayton wrote:> > I just bought an ELT for my Horizon2 (the previous owner didn't include> one in the sale). The antenna that came with it is about two feet long> and (according to the instructions) is supposed to be mounted near> vertical and externally. I this really necessary? I don't seem to> remember seeing an antenna sticking up on most Piets (was I not paying> attention?). The Horizon2 is wood and fabric so there are no spam can> considerations.> > Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com> HI Dean , No you do not need to mount the antenna externally, howeveryou do have a problem that "spam cans" don't, thats a good ground. Toovercome this you will need to mount a piece of alumunum in the bellyand use it as your "ground plane" . This will need to be at least 18inssq. This is the same problem that composites have. I think that mostpeople just make a tray and mount it on top of the lower longerons anduse it to mount both the ELT and it's antenna. The size is aproximateand certainly may be larger. Hope this helps.Happy landings Wayne Tokarz________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: ELTs
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELTs
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELTs
RE: Pietenpol-List: ELTs
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Short answer is to quote FAR 91.207:"...no person may operate a US registered civil airplane unless there isattached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locatortransmitter that is in operable condition...Exceptions include ferrying a newly acquired airplane to a place where theemergency locator transmitter is to be installed; aircraft while engaged intraining operations conducted entirely within a 50 nm radius of the airportfrom which such flight operations began;..."Also excluded are crop dusters, single seat airplanes, and any airplane inwhich the ELT was removed for repair, but you can't do this for more than 90days.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Short answer is to quote FAR 91.207:"...no person may operate a US registered civil airplane unless there isattached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locatortransmitter that is in operable condition...Exceptions include ferrying a newly acquired airplane to a place where theemergency locator transmitter is to be installed; aircraft while engaged intraining operations conducted entirely within a 50 nm radius of the airportfrom which such flight operations began;..."Also excluded are crop dusters, single seat airplanes, and any airplane inwhich the ELT was removed for repair, but you can't do this for more than 90days.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs> I bought an ACK 121.5 ELT on eBay for under $100 when I was > finishing up 9 Mike Lima. My understanding is that they are not > being manufactured anymore but are still legal to install and > operate, at least in the USA. I checked late last week and there > were some 121.5 mHz unit auctions and some 406 mHz units in the > $550 range, which is down considerably from where they were. > > I had mixed feelings about using the 121.5, TSO C91 unit because > they're not being monitored anymore but just couldn't swing the > cost of a new 406 mHz unit. Frankly, most Piet accidents seem to > occur on or near airports, either on landing or takeoff. Chances > are someone would be there and call 911. That's not the case at my > strip, however. I often fly alone and there's no one nearby. > > The SPOT locators look good. Do they activate in a crash like an > ELT or do they require you to push a panic button? If you're > unconscious that will be a problem but having the tracking is a > great feature. > > Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs> I bought an ACK 121.5 ELT on eBay for under $100 when I was > finishing up 9 Mike Lima. My understanding is that they are not > being manufactured anymore but are still legal to install and > operate, at least in the USA. I checked late last week and there > were some 121.5 mHz unit auctions and some 406 mHz units in the > $550 range, which is down considerably from where they were. > > I had mixed feelings about using the 121.5, TSO C91 unit because > they're not being monitored anymore but just couldn't swing the > cost of a new 406 mHz unit. Frankly, most Piet accidents seem to > occur on or near airports, either on landing or takeoff. Chances > are someone would be there and call 911. That's not the case at my > strip, however. I often fly alone and there's no one nearby. > > The SPOT locators look good. Do they activate in a crash like an > ELT or do they require you to push a panic button? If you're > unconscious that will be a problem but having the tracking is a > great feature. > > Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: woodflier(at)aol.com
I'm using a C-90Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
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Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Yeah, that plywood under the aileron pulley is totally unnecessary. I glued them in and the ended up sawing them out before I covered the wings. Just be sure to install an inspection hole there.Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Yeah, that plywood under the aileron pulley is totally unnecessary. I glued them in and the ended up sawing them out before I covered the wings. Just be sure to install an inspection hole there.Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I use aSPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a slew of themfor aircrews to use at work. They love them, as do the flight operationspeople and the leadership. The panic button must be manually activated by the user. The tracking featureis the life-saver. If you get lucky and crash with the SPOT seeing the sky, whoever'smonitoring your flight can give the medevac helicopter your exact location.If the SPOT does not see the sky then whoever's monitoring your flightstill has a good idea where you went missing.Obviously the new ELT removes the variables. I would still use the SPOT if I boughta new ELT for the routine, administrative convenience.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I use aSPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a slew of themfor aircrews to use at work. They love them, as do the flight operationspeople and the leadership. The panic button must be manually activated by the user. The tracking featureis the life-saver. If you get lucky and crash with the SPOT seeing the sky, whoever'smonitoring your flight can give the medevac helicopter your exact location.If the SPOT does not see the sky then whoever's monitoring your flightstill has a good idea where you went missing.Obviously the new ELT removes the variables. I would still use the SPOT if I boughta new ELT for the routine, administrative convenience.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: woodflier(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTsSPOTs don't activate in a crash as far as I know. But, if they survive the crash,they keep putting out a location ping to the internet. If they don't survive the crash, there is a last location that was logged on thesystem. So they start the search there.Not the same but better than nothing, and if the plane has 121.5 then they cantrack you down.Blue Skies,Steve----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTsSPOTs don't activate in a crash as far as I know. But, if they survive the crash,they keep putting out a location ping to the internet. If they don't survive the crash, there is a last location that was logged on thesystem. So they start the search there.Not the same but better than nothing, and if the plane has 121.5 then they cantrack you down.Blue Skies,Steve----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tank cap
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Jack, here is the tank drawing I was referring to (to which I was referring if I were being correct in my grammar). Chuck----- Original Message -----
Jack, here is the tank drawing I was referring to (to which I was referring if I were being correct in my grammar). Chuck----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tank cap
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
They should just have a pulse hookup. That way if you crash and have no pulse,the ELT could stop putting out a signal, since there's no hurry to come and getyou at that point.I suppose the reason I settled on the 406 is because I'm probably more used tothe 121 Air Carrier world...where everything 'safety' is over thunk. so I decidedon getting the most I could in the event of an FAA ramp check, etc..I would just recommend getting a cheap used 121.5 older unit if you have any concernsabout not having one...or fly long distances. It seems Piet folk are alwaysaround friends when they fly anyway. I wouldn't be worried about "not beingfound" in a Piet incident...LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tank cap
They should just have a pulse hookup. That way if you crash and have no pulse,the ELT could stop putting out a signal, since there's no hurry to come and getyou at that point.I suppose the reason I settled on the 406 is because I'm probably more used tothe 121 Air Carrier world...where everything 'safety' is over thunk. so I decidedon getting the most I could in the event of an FAA ramp check, etc..I would just recommend getting a cheap used 121.5 older unit if you have any concernsabout not having one...or fly long distances. It seems Piet folk are alwaysaround friends when they fly anyway. I wouldn't be worried about "not beingfound" in a Piet incident...LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tank cap
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
I have a J3 cap with a float that I may sell, but I'm almost sure it is a cap withtwo tangs on it, not threaded, but I can look tomorrow. Gene RamboOn Oct 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Jack T. Textor" wrote:> All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?> Thanks> Jack> > > > > > Sent from my iPad> Jack Textor________________________________________________________________________________
I have a J3 cap with a float that I may sell, but I'm almost sure it is a cap withtwo tangs on it, not threaded, but I can look tomorrow. Gene RamboOn Oct 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Jack T. Textor" wrote:> All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?> Thanks> Jack> > > > > > Sent from my iPad> Jack Textor________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By:> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil
Personally I have never had any love for ELTs. They are kind of like car alarms-- they go off all of the time=2C usually by mistake=2C and people ignore them. I am offended that we are forced to spend the money when less expensive and better options exist. I have never heard of anyone being saved by one=2C although I suppose it has happened (probably in Alaska or something) but I have never heard of it. I think they should be made out of chocolate so you have something to eat while you hike to the nearest house. I like the SPOT thing=2C and will probably buy one soon. I have never had a Fed look for an ELT on a ramp check=2C or notice if I may not have had one. Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Personally I have never had any love for ELTs. They are kind of like car alarms-- they go off all of the time=2C usually by mistake=2C and people ignore them. I am offended that we are forced to spend the money when less expensive and better options exist. I have never heard of anyone being saved by one=2C although I suppose it has happened (probably in Alaska or something) but I have never heard of it. I think they should be made out of chocolate so you have something to eat while you hike to the nearest house. I like the SPOT thing=2C and will probably buy one soon. I have never had a Fed look for an ELT on a ramp check=2C or notice if I may not have had one. Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Has anyone tried Spidertracks?http://www.spidertracks.com/Clif>> Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I > use a SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a > slew of them for aircrews to use at work. They love them, as do the > flight operations people and the leadership.> --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:23:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Has anyone tried Spidertracks?http://www.spidertracks.com/Clif>> Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I > use a SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a > slew of them for aircrews to use at work. They love them, as do the > flight operations people and the leadership.> --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:23:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: "Luke W."
@Larry - We should be worried deeply about not being found. Had I flown another3 minutes before my engine quit and had a bad arrival in the middle of a hugecornfield, the SPOT would've been the only way to find me. Time was criticalin getting me help after my incident, BTW. The ELT would have allowed themto find my body. @Ken - Excellent point about pressing the "HELP" button on the way down, if youhave time.There's nothing like experience.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
@Larry - We should be worried deeply about not being found. Had I flown another3 minutes before my engine quit and had a bad arrival in the middle of a hugecornfield, the SPOT would've been the only way to find me. Time was criticalin getting me help after my incident, BTW. The ELT would have allowed themto find my body. @Ken - Excellent point about pressing the "HELP" button on the way down, if youhave time.There's nothing like experience.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
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Original Posted By: "TriScout"
Gary,I flew yesterday, 10-30-12. Got about a little more than an hour in hopping a ridethen some goofing off. Beautiful day out. Was finished about 2pm. perhapsyou were out later than that.Gotta love the left coast. Year around flying for us.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Gary,I flew yesterday, 10-30-12. Got about a little more than an hour in hopping a ridethen some goofing off. Beautiful day out. Was finished about 2pm. perhapsyou were out later than that.Gotta love the left coast. Year around flying for us.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Good point. Maybe I should have my gps wired into the new 406 after all. There'san extra hookup for that. I just have to do some splicing and soldering. Theinstructions for that are included.LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Good point. Maybe I should have my gps wired into the new 406 after all. There'san extra hookup for that. I just have to do some splicing and soldering. Theinstructions for that are included.LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
where are folks mounting their ELTs in their Piets?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:43:36 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
where are folks mounting their ELTs in their Piets?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:43:36 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
So, Dick's work is conservative. He installed a Rotec radial on his beautiful"woody Piet", but Rotec lists the dry weight at about 224 lbs. and if the Fordengine weighs 244, he really didn't affect the W&B very much.The Rotec is rated at about 110 HP at 2400 propeller RPM, so that's roughly morethan twice the power of the Ford inline four. Better climb.I don't know if Mr. Pietenpol ever flew a version of his Air Camper with a radial.Does anyone know?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
So, Dick's work is conservative. He installed a Rotec radial on his beautiful"woody Piet", but Rotec lists the dry weight at about 224 lbs. and if the Fordengine weighs 244, he really didn't affect the W&B very much.The Rotec is rated at about 110 HP at 2400 propeller RPM, so that's roughly morethan twice the power of the Ford inline four. Better climb.I don't know if Mr. Pietenpol ever flew a version of his Air Camper with a radial.Does anyone know?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> .mil>> > Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I use a SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a slew of them for aircrews to use at work. They love them=2C as do the flight operations people and the leadership. > > The panic button must be manually activated by the user. The tracking feature is the life-saver. If you get lucky and crash with the SPOT seeing the sky=2C whoever's monitoring your flight can give the medevac helicopter your exact location. If the SPOT does not see the sky then whoever's monitoring your flight still has a good idea where you went missing.> > Obviously the new ELT removes the variables. I would still use the SPOT if I bought a new ELT for the routine=2C administrative convenience.> > --------> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos=2C TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 193#386193> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:47:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> .mil>> > Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I use a SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a slew of them for aircrews to use at work. They love them=2C as do the flight operations people and the leadership. > > The panic button must be manually activated by the user. The tracking feature is the life-saver. If you get lucky and crash with the SPOT seeing the sky=2C whoever's monitoring your flight can give the medevac helicopter your exact location. If the SPOT does not see the sky then whoever's monitoring your flight still has a good idea where you went missing.> > Obviously the new ELT removes the variables. I would still use the SPOT if I bought a new ELT for the routine=2C administrative convenience.> > --------> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos=2C TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 193#386193> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:47:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs