Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Hello all,I apologize if this has been asked but there was little in the archiveregarding plywood preferences for the fuselage large pieces. I can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t seemto find sitka spruce (preferred) in large sheets. Does anyone have a good sourceand/or recommendations for/against the following 3 choices from Boulter?Khaya African Mahogany, Flat SawnOkoume, Rotary CutWhite Birch, Rotary CutThanks,SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:25:31 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand propping> > I have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on > cross country trips assures me that the airplane> will stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the > tailwheel and then to either a tie down anchor in> the pavement or a nearby fence post.> > I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone) > prop your airplane but yourself. I have had> people say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no > idea what they were doing and were not> only dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To > add to this, most times those people didn't> get me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you > know for a fact that a person is experienced> at hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself > either.> I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a > big old leg swing to prop a little Continental> engine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a > big leg kick and if timed properly and you> have at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should > be actually able to prop the thing with one> hand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big > theatrical leg kick helped back in the days> when you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped > Stearman's and didn't require any off-balance> leg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down > on the prop while stepping away from it> with my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion--> not balancing on one foot and hoping you> don't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever > works for you.> > The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric > starters for airplanes and cars.
)> > Mike C.> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand propping> > I have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on > cross country trips assures me that the airplane> will stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the > tailwheel and then to either a tie down anchor in> the pavement or a nearby fence post.> > I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone) > prop your airplane but yourself. I have had> people say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no > idea what they were doing and were not> only dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To > add to this, most times those people didn't> get me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you > know for a fact that a person is experienced> at hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself > either.> I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a > big old leg swing to prop a little Continental> engine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a > big leg kick and if timed properly and you> have at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should > be actually able to prop the thing with one> hand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big > theatrical leg kick helped back in the days> when you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped > Stearman's and didn't require any off-balance> leg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down > on the prop while stepping away from it> with my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion--> not balancing on one foot and hoping you> don't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever > works for you.> > The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric > starters for airplanes and cars.
)> > Mike C.> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By:> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" There was a man that used to come to our RAA meetings.One day he > happened to just move his prop to the horizontal position and it > fired and almost killed him.The prop stuck his head and caved part > of it in.He doesn't fly anymore or come to our meetings.Be careful > out there when touching props in any manner.You never know when a > mag off switch is going to fail or if there is gas in the chamber > or when it will fire.Always treat a prop like you would a loaded > gun,never assume anything.> > archive this> > > > > ________________________________
Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingI have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on cross country trips assures me that the airplanewill stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the tailwheel and then to either a tie down anchor inthe pavement or a nearby fence post.I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone) prop your airplane but yourself. I have hadpeople say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no idea what they were doing and were notonly dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To add to this, most times those people didn'tget me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you know for a fact that a person is experiencedat hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself either.I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a big old leg swing to prop a little Continentalengine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a big leg kick and if timed properly and youhave at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should be actually able to prop the thing with onehand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big theatrical leg kick helped back in the dayswhen you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped Stearman's and didn't require any off-balanceleg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down on the prop while stepping away from itwith my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion-- not balancing on one foot and hoping youdon't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever works for you.The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric starters for airplanes and cars.)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingI have found that carrying a good quality rope to fly-in's or on cross country trips assures me that the airplanewill stay put during hand propping. I tie the rope around the tailwheel and then to either a tie down anchor inthe pavement or a nearby fence post.I have also found that it isn't wise to let anyone (I mean anyone) prop your airplane but yourself. I have hadpeople say that they were experienced in hand propping who had no idea what they were doing and were notonly dangerous but clearly afraid and unsure of themselves. To add to this, most times those people didn'tget me going anyway and I ended up doing it myself. Unless you know for a fact that a person is experiencedat hand propping, just do it yourself. You'll never sue yourself either.I have to laugh at the Hollywood imitators out there who give a big old leg swing to prop a little Continentalengine. My grandmother could prop a Continental engine without a big leg kick and if timed properly and youhave at least one impulse mag (if you don't, get one) you should be actually able to prop the thing with onehand while having both feet on the ground. I suppose the big theatrical leg kick helped back in the dayswhen you hand propped bigger engines but I've hand propped Stearman's and didn't require any off-balanceleg action but merely used the method I was taught---to pull down on the prop while stepping away from itwith my right foot to backup away from the prop arc in one motion-- not balancing on one foot and hoping youdon't slip or get off balance. To each his own though-- whatever works for you.The whole country went down the drain when they invented electric starters for airplanes and cars.
)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: "Lagowski Morrow"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping> > Steven I tried to e-mail you but the address didn't work-do you live in Amarillo?I'm 50 miles away.Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 057#237057> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping> > Steven I tried to e-mail you but the address didn't work-do you live in Amarillo?I'm 50 miles away.Raymond> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 057#237057> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingMike, I agree about letting just anyone hand prop. The military flying club whereI learned to fly had an actual hand propping "Class" that you were requiredto pass. Not difficult but you had to take it in order to go in the Piper cub.Rules I quickly remember:Pilot behid stick. not a wuffono hats or floppy shirt tails. we did the leg swing but mostly as a reminder to be moving away from the prop afterswinging it. Never run around the plane. (actually never run on the ramp.)When the "Pilot" says "hot" his hand is on the mag switch, when "cold" his handis visible to the "Propper"NEVER RUSH the proceedures!Blue Skies and safe propping,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingMike, I agree about letting just anyone hand prop. The military flying club whereI learned to fly had an actual hand propping "Class" that you were requiredto pass. Not difficult but you had to take it in order to go in the Piper cub.Rules I quickly remember:Pilot behid stick. not a wuffono hats or floppy shirt tails. we did the leg swing but mostly as a reminder to be moving away from the prop afterswinging it. Never run around the plane. (actually never run on the ramp.)When the "Pilot" says "hot" his hand is on the mag switch, when "cold" his handis visible to the "Propper"NEVER RUSH the proceedures!Blue Skies and safe propping,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
MikeI pretty much agree with your thoughts. Having wire wheels, I carry 2 nylon cargo straps which get tucked under the seat while flying. I tie from the rear cabane strut, around the top of the wheel and back to the cabane. one on each side. It keeps the wheels locked in place. Also the country really went downhill when teachers lost the paddle in the classroom.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
MikeI pretty much agree with your thoughts. Having wire wheels, I carry 2 nylon cargo straps which get tucked under the seat while flying. I tie from the rear cabane strut, around the top of the wheel and back to the cabane. one on each side. It keeps the wheels locked in place. Also the country really went downhill when teachers lost the paddle in the classroom.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
Original Posted By: H RULE
RE: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: H RULE
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingGreat posts about the wedding ring Ryan and paddling kids in school Dick N. ! What about when they let women vote and start smoking ?)))Uh boy, I can hear the bleeding heart liberals now thinking I might be actually serious. PS...take a break, unwind undies. I am just KIDDING.PSS---- I re-read my post and by no means did I mean to belittle the seriousness of hand propping an airplane nor did I want to make funof those incredibly brave men who flew early hand-propped airplanes both in civilian and military roles by likening them to my grandmother'sability to hand prop but if you do it, just try to learn from someone who really knows what they are doing and practice it on a dead enginesomewhere safe with the plug wires disconnected and the fuel off. Hand propping is still a super serious thing and the one post put it best----take your time, think thru each step. If you're in a rush, don't fly. Go home and have some chips. Take 5, chock the plane, tie it down,do anything but rush.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingGreat posts about the wedding ring Ryan and paddling kids in school Dick N. ! What about when they let women vote and start smoking ?
)))Uh boy, I can hear the bleeding heart liberals now thinking I might be actually serious. PS...take a break, unwind undies. I am just KIDDING.PSS---- I re-read my post and by no means did I mean to belittle the seriousness of hand propping an airplane nor did I want to make funof those incredibly brave men who flew early hand-propped airplanes both in civilian and military roles by likening them to my grandmother'sability to hand prop but if you do it, just try to learn from someone who really knows what they are doing and practice it on a dead enginesomewhere safe with the plug wires disconnected and the fuel off. Hand propping is still a super serious thing and the one post put it best----take your time, think thru each step. If you're in a rush, don't fly. Go home and have some chips. Take 5, chock the plane, tie it down,do anything but rush.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT)Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: H RULE
Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: H RULE
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingA fellow in the Amarillo, TX area has had two incidents with moving a prop andthe engine starting. First time he was turning the prop to "Break the oil loose" on a somewhat coolday and his tripacer started and taxied into a Cessna 182 with 3 pax waiting forthe pilot to finish paying for fuel. No one was hurt but both planes were damages.They think he had accidently hit the mag switch onto one mag while loadingthe plane. I heard it happen, and when I stuck my head outside there wasstill aluminium flying. Sounded like someone putting a mower on a steel fencepost.Second time he had a single seat homebuilt and was turning the prop and it fired.He dove out of the way and the plane taxied down the runway at an angle andtookoff. but the wheels caught on a Bobwire fence and the plane flipped ontorailroad tracks. No train was coming and the plane wreckage was rescured. I think he has quit flying. He had a good reputation as a safe pilot and was otherwiserespected.Blue Skies,Steve D.----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand proppingA fellow in the Amarillo, TX area has had two incidents with moving a prop andthe engine starting. First time he was turning the prop to "Break the oil loose" on a somewhat coolday and his tripacer started and taxied into a Cessna 182 with 3 pax waiting forthe pilot to finish paying for fuel. No one was hurt but both planes were damages.They think he had accidently hit the mag switch onto one mag while loadingthe plane. I heard it happen, and when I stuck my head outside there wasstill aluminium flying. Sounded like someone putting a mower on a steel fencepost.Second time he had a single seat homebuilt and was turning the prop and it fired.He dove out of the way and the plane taxied down the runway at an angle andtookoff. but the wheels caught on a Bobwire fence and the plane flipped ontorailroad tracks. No train was coming and the plane wreckage was rescured. I think he has quit flying. He had a good reputation as a safe pilot and was otherwiserespected.Blue Skies,Steve D.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: skellytown flyer
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand proppingRaymond, I think we discussed a Piet that is in a museum in Canadian at some pointin the past.----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand proppingRaymond, I think we discussed a Piet that is in a museum in Canadian at some pointin the past.----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: hand propping story
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
The Tigermoths I've seen, like this one, have the mag switcheson the outside ahead of the pilots windshield where they'revisible to the prop man.Clif ----- Original Message -----
The Tigermoths I've seen, like this one, have the mag switcheson the outside ahead of the pilots windshield where they'revisible to the prop man.Clif ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: hand propping
Original Posted By: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
I completely agree about the absurd leg swing. Placing yourself off-balance on one foot in front of a spinning propeller is just stupid, not to mention unnecessary. My Travel Air, with a 220 Continental (Stearman engine) does not have a starter, or an impulse, and I have hand propped every one of its 1800 hours. It does not take a leg swing to get it going, either, and certainly not a C-65. I never allow anyone in the cockpit, I have a bungee that I hook onto the throttle to hold it full aft (closed). If I am on a crowded or sloping ramp I tie down the tail (mostly to make airport feel better)I trained dozens how to prop my Champ years ago. C-65 and no impulse. Stand flat footed facing prop, hook last joint of R/H pinkie over trailing edge of prop, pull down firmly. Started every time, even without an impulse.The biggest thing is to NOT be afraid of it, and ALWAYS treat it as if it were hot.Gene ----- Original Message -----
I completely agree about the absurd leg swing. Placing yourself off-balance on one foot in front of a spinning propeller is just stupid, not to mention unnecessary. My Travel Air, with a 220 Continental (Stearman engine) does not have a starter, or an impulse, and I have hand propped every one of its 1800 hours. It does not take a leg swing to get it going, either, and certainly not a C-65. I never allow anyone in the cockpit, I have a bungee that I hook onto the throttle to hold it full aft (closed). If I am on a crowded or sloping ramp I tie down the tail (mostly to make airport feel better)I trained dozens how to prop my Champ years ago. C-65 and no impulse. Stand flat footed facing prop, hook last joint of R/H pinkie over trailing edge of prop, pull down firmly. Started every time, even without an impulse.The biggest thing is to NOT be afraid of it, and ALWAYS treat it as if it were hot.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
First, let's eliminate spark.- Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made.- I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags.- The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color.- I did not gap them though.Now let's talk fuel.- Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent.- I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter.- I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean.- Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.Last item is air.- I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas.- I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas.- It always started easily down there ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 0#390130le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 23:05:48 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
First, let's eliminate spark.- Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made.- I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags.- The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color.- I did not gap them though.Now let's talk fuel.- Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent.- I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter.- I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean.- Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.Last item is air.- I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas.- I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas.- It always started easily down there ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 0#390130le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 23:05:48 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: Andre Abreu
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping> > First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when startingattempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth > from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and > anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. > The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on > both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did > not gap them though.> > Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the > gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent > rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole > in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I > drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on > the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel > into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing > well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts > were made.> > Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter > to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about > due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just > had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been > running rich if the filter is obstructed.> > I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the > machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o)> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 130#390130> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 20:40:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping> > First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when startingattempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth > from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and > anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. > The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on > both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did > not gap them though.> > Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the > gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent > rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole > in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I > drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on > the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel > into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing > well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts > were made.> > Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter > to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about > due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just > had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been > running rich if the filter is obstructed.> > I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the > machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o)> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 130#390130> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 20:40:41 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when startingattempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose tothe cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning,I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses,impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color.I did not gap them though.Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several timesafter washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level systemrequires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right nextto it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolatoron the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel intoa plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and shouldbe clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check forobstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning andre-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit thatthe mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas.It always started easily down there ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when startingattempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose tothe cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning,I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses,impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color.I did not gap them though.Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several timesafter washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level systemrequires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right nextto it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolatoron the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel intoa plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and shouldbe clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check forobstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning andre-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit thatthe mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas.It always started easily down there ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: taildrags
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand proppingPerhaps the starter is the problem.I say just quit trying and ship the thing home!Blue Skies,SteveBTW it was almost 80 degrees today and muggy----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand proppingPerhaps the starter is the problem.I say just quit trying and ship the thing home!Blue Skies,SteveBTW it was almost 80 degrees today and muggy----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: Mario Giacummo
Andy wrote:>Throttle closed, stick back, brakes set, mags off.>Turn the prop through a few times , and then impulse>mags on. It usually starts on the first or second pull. Yes, that is standard starting procedure and it usually works (Stromberg carb).>Sometimes the mixture is too rich or I suspect it's flooded. >In those cases, I'll try a few things. >--Turn the prop backwards with the mags off and throttle full open>then try starting it again. This helps if you think you've flooded it.It didn't help. I thought I might have flooded it, and tried that procedure. No joy.>--if that doesn't work, I'll turn the fuel valve to the off position,>throttle closed, mags hot and I hit the prop until it finds just the>right ratio. Fuel valve back on as soon as it starts. Tried that, too. I've done that a time or two when refueling, but that was usuallya "hot start" situation. In any case, it didn't work today.>If it's real cold outside, I'll preheat the hangarNo heat in my hangar.>Carb heat helps too.Applying carb heat does absolutely nothing until there is some heat for it to apply(exhaust has to be hot, which means the engine has to be running. I couldnot make it run today).>Sometimes have to restart the engine several times>until the engine warms up.I would have been happy with just *one* start, let alone restarting it severaltimes ;o)>I often find myself trying to start the Piet solo.>Nobody seems to know about hand propping.I start my Piet solo about 99 times out of 100, and that's why today was so frustrating,because I thought that I knew and understood my engine and carb ;o)>With the engine started and oil pressure coming up and>starting to run smooth, I untie the tail. When I'm ready>to climb in, I turn off the fuel valve. Then carefully climb>into the cockpit, careful not to hit the throttle with my knee.>When I sit down, I turn the fuel valve back on. I have a very similar routine, believe me. When I get ready to climb into thecockpit, I raise the center section 'flop' with my head as I climb in, definitelywatching out for the throttle (which I have bumped a time or two, and it makesyour heart race). Thanks for commiserating with me, though.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Andy wrote:>Throttle closed, stick back, brakes set, mags off.>Turn the prop through a few times , and then impulse>mags on. It usually starts on the first or second pull. Yes, that is standard starting procedure and it usually works (Stromberg carb).>Sometimes the mixture is too rich or I suspect it's flooded. >In those cases, I'll try a few things. >--Turn the prop backwards with the mags off and throttle full open>then try starting it again. This helps if you think you've flooded it.It didn't help. I thought I might have flooded it, and tried that procedure. No joy.>--if that doesn't work, I'll turn the fuel valve to the off position,>throttle closed, mags hot and I hit the prop until it finds just the>right ratio. Fuel valve back on as soon as it starts. Tried that, too. I've done that a time or two when refueling, but that was usuallya "hot start" situation. In any case, it didn't work today.>If it's real cold outside, I'll preheat the hangarNo heat in my hangar.>Carb heat helps too.Applying carb heat does absolutely nothing until there is some heat for it to apply(exhaust has to be hot, which means the engine has to be running. I couldnot make it run today).>Sometimes have to restart the engine several times>until the engine warms up.I would have been happy with just *one* start, let alone restarting it severaltimes ;o)>I often find myself trying to start the Piet solo.>Nobody seems to know about hand propping.I start my Piet solo about 99 times out of 100, and that's why today was so frustrating,because I thought that I knew and understood my engine and carb ;o)>With the engine started and oil pressure coming up and>starting to run smooth, I untie the tail. When I'm ready>to climb in, I turn off the fuel valve. Then carefully climb>into the cockpit, careful not to hit the throttle with my knee.>When I sit down, I turn the fuel valve back on. I have a very similar routine, believe me. When I get ready to climb into thecockpit, I raise the center section 'flop' with my head as I climb in, definitelywatching out for the throttle (which I have bumped a time or two, and it makesyour heart race). Thanks for commiserating with me, though.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate spark.Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark....-=0AOn Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote:com>=0A=0AFirst, let's eliminate spark. -Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. -I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. -The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. -I did not gap them though.=0A=0A=0A=0ANow let's talk fuel. -Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. -I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. -I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. -Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.=0A=0A=0A=0ALast item is air. -I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. -I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.=0A=0A=0A=0AI'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas. -It always started easily down there ;o)=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A===========0A="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0Aooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com=0Aet="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Ale, List Admin.=0A===========0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate spark.Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark....-=0AOn Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote:com>=0A=0AFirst, let's eliminate spark. -Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. -I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. -The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. -I did not gap them though.=0A=0A=0A=0ANow let's talk fuel. -Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. -I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. -I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. -Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.=0A=0A=0A=0ALast item is air. -I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. -I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.=0A=0A=0A=0AI'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas. -It always started easily down there ;o)=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A===========0A="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0Aooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com=0Aet="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0Ale, List Admin.=0A===========0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: "tools"
What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribsit seems to me like they're just hangin out there.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribsit seems to me like they're just hangin out there.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Did fuel ever drip from the carb? With all of that work, I would imagine it wouldbe likely to get a few drops which would at least eliminate fuel starvationas a cause. Your float valve could be stuck closed, and you'd have no fueldespite all these efforts.Next, it would seem the only thing you haven't checked into would be the mag switchand p-lead wiring. Switches do have a life consisting of a certain numberof operations, after which, they quit working. Doesn't seem likely, but worthconfirming.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
Did fuel ever drip from the carb? With all of that work, I would imagine it wouldbe likely to get a few drops which would at least eliminate fuel starvationas a cause. Your float valve could be stuck closed, and you'd have no fueldespite all these efforts.Next, it would seem the only thing you haven't checked into would be the mag switchand p-lead wiring. Switches do have a life consisting of a certain numberof operations, after which, they quit working. Doesn't seem likely, but worthconfirming.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: "bender"
Tell him you want him to throw in the plans as well. By doing that you can havesomething to compare the construction to once you look at it.My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Tell him you want him to throw in the plans as well. By doing that you can havesomething to compare the construction to once you look at it.My $.02--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I had a heck of a time starting my Piet with an A engine..everyone else said it should fire right up after a couple of turns.... but withthe carb i'm running it just wouldn't happen without a shot of ether.I added a primer line and its one pull now..Like the others said... double check that you have spark at the right place andtime and a shot of starting fluid will tell you if it'll run.$.02jeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
I had a heck of a time starting my Piet with an A engine..everyone else said it should fire right up after a couple of turns.... but withthe carb i'm running it just wouldn't happen without a shot of ether.I added a primer line and its one pull now..Like the others said... double check that you have spark at the right place andtime and a shot of starting fluid will tell you if it'll run.$.02jeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
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