Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
nightmare wrote:> here is a copy and paste from aircrashed.com> > THE HOME BUILT ACFT WAS MANUFACTURED IN 1975 & WAS BUILT IN CANADA FROM THE 1930PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER DESIGN. THE PLT HAD FLOWN THE CANADIAN REGISTERED ACFTTO AN ANTIQUE FLY-IN. TRAFFIC AT THE ARPT REQUIRED THAT ONLY RWY 35 COULD BEOFF. REPORTEDLY, HE FOLLOWED THE POSTED LEFT HAND TRAFFIC PATTERN WHICHTOOK HIM OVER HILLS WHERE HE ENCOUNTERED TURBULENCE & A DOWN DRAFT. SUBSEQUENTLY,THE ACFT STALLED & CRASHED IN A STEEP DESCENT. AN EXAMINATION OF THE ENGINEREVEALED THE SPARK PLUGS WERE CARBON FOULED WITH BLACK, SOOTY DEPOSITS.Yes. He started to turn left towards the mountains to follow the existing trafficpattern. He didn't get any more than 90 degrees of turn in the pattern andabout 500 yards from the end of the runway before he lost lift and crashed. Fredsaid he felt "Slapped out of the sky."--------Pietenpol's Forever!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Darn... sounded interesting.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Darn... sounded interesting.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: Mark Roberts
Hi Mark,I used .032 2024 over the front pit, and .025 2024 over the pilot pit. I figured I needed the thick stuff in front to take the punishment of the passengers. My DAR kept leaning on the combing (rear) while doing my aiwrorthiness inspection, even after I asked him not to (arrggg) and he bent it over slightly. I still need to get that bend out of there somehow, just havent taken the time. FYI my engine cowl is .032 3003.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Hi Mark,I used .032 2024 over the front pit, and .025 2024 over the pilot pit. I figured I needed the thick stuff in front to take the punishment of the passengers. My DAR kept leaning on the combing (rear) while doing my aiwrorthiness inspection, even after I asked him not to (arrggg) and he bent it over slightly. I still need to get that bend out of there somehow, just havent taken the time. FYI my engine cowl is .032 3003.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
I was able to get the Piet on the skis yesterday. If you don't mind me practicingmy "head on a swivel" kind of see and avoid you can go here and see me tryingmy new Go Pro on my head. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__C7_4E_44Funny thing about the camera... I was asking about this kind of camera a monthor so ago on the list here. My wife had already bought it for me for Christmasand I never said anything to her about wanting one! She just knows me a littleto well I guess! Now to get creative with some mounts on the wing, the tail,a stick out in front of the wing.... :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/resi ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
I was able to get the Piet on the skis yesterday. If you don't mind me practicingmy "head on a swivel" kind of see and avoid you can go here and see me tryingmy new Go Pro on my head. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__C7_4E_44Funny thing about the camera... I was asking about this kind of camera a monthor so ago on the list here. My wife had already bought it for me for Christmasand I never said anything to her about wanting one! She just knows me a littleto well I guess! Now to get creative with some mounts on the wing, the tail,a stick out in front of the wing.... :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/resi ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By: Fred Kim
Don,I would think a mount under the fuselage where you could get an unrestricted viewof the ground would be useful as well. What type of mounts are you using forthe Go-Pro and would you incorporate them into the structure while you werebuilding if you would do it again?John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Don,I would think a mount under the fuselage where you could get an unrestricted viewof the ground would be useful as well. What type of mounts are you using forthe Go-Pro and would you incorporate them into the structure while you werebuilding if you would do it again?John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By:> EmchAir(at)aol.com
Great video Don=2C how about the landing.what is it like taxing and turning with the skis? i imagine the tail wheel would slow you down pretty quickly when it comes down.> Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Tis the ski season...
Great video Don=2C how about the landing.what is it like taxing and turning with the skis? i imagine the tail wheel would slow you down pretty quickly when it comes down.> Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Tis the ski season...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Is there any kind of servo-controlled mount that would work with this setup? Then you could mount on a wing or strut and change the view/ perspective at will.On Dec 29, 2012, at 10:37 AM, John Francis wrote:> >>> Don,>> I would think a mount under the fuselage where you could get an > unrestricted view of the ground would be useful as well. What type > of mounts are you using for the Go-Pro and would you incorporate > them into the structure while you were building if you would do it > again?>> John>> --------> John Francis>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:20:12 +0000 (UTC)
Is there any kind of servo-controlled mount that would work with this setup? Then you could mount on a wing or strut and change the view/ perspective at will.On Dec 29, 2012, at 10:37 AM, John Francis wrote:> >>> Don,>> I would think a mount under the fuselage where you could get an > unrestricted view of the ground would be useful as well. What type > of mounts are you using for the Go-Pro and would you incorporate > them into the structure while you were building if you would do it > again?>> John>> --------> John Francis>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:20:12 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Thank you fellers!I will be off to the local Kerney Aluminum store to see if I can locate some ofthe 2024-T3 aluminum. I am assuming it is a common grade, and not an AircraftSpruce order. It would be nice to get something locally ... :-)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thank you fellers!I will be off to the local Kerney Aluminum store to see if I can locate some ofthe 2024-T3 aluminum. I am assuming it is a common grade, and not an AircraftSpruce order. It would be nice to get something locally ... :-)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
To help prevent the problem Dan had, I reinforced the edges of the cockpitcoaming by adding a piece of aluminum angle extrusion on top of thelongeron, fiting into a slit in a piece of polyethylene tubing that was thencovered with foam pipe insulation and covered with leather. See the sketchand photo below:By the way, I used 2024-T3 aluminum .025" thick for the engine cowling aswell as the cowlings over the cockpits.Of course, some people just use the top of the longeron as the edge of thecockpit, as Mike Cuy did. As with most things Pietenpol related, there aremany ways to solve each problem, and most of them are correct. That's oneof the things that makes Pietenpols so interesting.Good Luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
To help prevent the problem Dan had, I reinforced the edges of the cockpitcoaming by adding a piece of aluminum angle extrusion on top of thelongeron, fiting into a slit in a piece of polyethylene tubing that was thencovered with foam pipe insulation and covered with leather. See the sketchand photo below:By the way, I used 2024-T3 aluminum .025" thick for the engine cowling aswell as the cowlings over the cockpits.Of course, some people just use the top of the longeron as the edge of thecockpit, as Mike Cuy did. As with most things Pietenpol related, there aremany ways to solve each problem, and most of them are correct. That's oneof the things that makes Pietenpols so interesting.Good Luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
It was probably the iPad. Send me an email offlist topietflyr(at)bellsouth.net and I'll send the files directly to you. Do you havea real computer to view them, or just something made by Apple?Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
It was probably the iPad. Send me an email offlist topietflyr(at)bellsouth.net and I'll send the files directly to you. Do you havea real computer to view them, or just something made by Apple?Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
OK, I've gotten several replies indicating that the pictures did not comethrough, apple or pc, so I'll try again.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
OK, I've gotten several replies indicating that the pictures did not comethrough, apple or pc, so I'll try again.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Ha! I used to say the same thing about computers! I remember when I had a conversationwith the guy that owned the apple franchise in town in the late 80s orearly 90s and said I could do anything on the Windows 3.1 platform that you coulddo on a Mac...3 years ago I made the transition to the Mac and now have 2 of them and will nevergo back! Funny now how anti windows I have become. My wife constantly is asking.gme to come fix her laptop with windows issues while I just hum along withOS X....Anyway... thanks for the help. I will email you after church. Thanks Jack! I'mlooking forward to eventually staying at your B&B when we can afford to travelagain.... :-)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ha! I used to say the same thing about computers! I remember when I had a conversationwith the guy that owned the apple franchise in town in the late 80s orearly 90s and said I could do anything on the Windows 3.1 platform that you coulddo on a Mac...3 years ago I made the transition to the Mac and now have 2 of them and will nevergo back! Funny now how anti windows I have become. My wife constantly is asking.gme to come fix her laptop with windows issues while I just hum along withOS X....Anyway... thanks for the help. I will email you after church. Thanks Jack! I'mlooking forward to eventually staying at your B&B when we can afford to travelagain.... :-)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By:> Don Emch
Don,This might be it.Skip > [Original Message]
Don,This might be it.Skip > [Original Message]
Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By: Bkemike
Thanks Skip! That's it. Makes a big difference.Jack... yeah I noticed how much the windshield distorts. I sure hope it isn'treally doing that! I do notice after about 6 to 8 inches of snow the runway edgesdo tend to disappear. Not a problem at my strip, but at others that I amnot familiar with it is a little difficult to see. I've noticed that some ofthe grass runways have older short lights. Those things tend to get coveredby the snow... one of those would sure ruin my day! I've flown with about 10to 12 inches and as long as it is powder it is not a problem. I'd say 3 to 8inches of powder is optimal for these skis. I went out once last year with mydaughter and it was up around 40 degrees and the snow was slushy at the end ofwinter and the wax probably had worn off. I couldn't get above about 20 mphon the runway and barely made it back to the hangar... lesson learned. Anothertime we only had about 3 inches. My dad and I flew to a local strip with arestaurant on a nice sunny day. While we were there the sun was busy outside.As we were getting in the plane I realized I could see the tops of the grass.It was a very long takeoff run! Back at our strip I landed in the shadowsof the trees. Ha! Another lesson learned! Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Skip! That's it. Makes a big difference.Jack... yeah I noticed how much the windshield distorts. I sure hope it isn'treally doing that! I do notice after about 6 to 8 inches of snow the runway edgesdo tend to disappear. Not a problem at my strip, but at others that I amnot familiar with it is a little difficult to see. I've noticed that some ofthe grass runways have older short lights. Those things tend to get coveredby the snow... one of those would sure ruin my day! I've flown with about 10to 12 inches and as long as it is powder it is not a problem. I'd say 3 to 8inches of powder is optimal for these skis. I went out once last year with mydaughter and it was up around 40 degrees and the snow was slushy at the end ofwinter and the wax probably had worn off. I couldn't get above about 20 mphon the runway and barely made it back to the hangar... lesson learned. Anothertime we only had about 3 inches. My dad and I flew to a local strip with arestaurant on a nice sunny day. While we were there the sun was busy outside.As we were getting in the plane I realized I could see the tops of the grass.It was a very long takeoff run! Back at our strip I landed in the shadowsof the trees. Ha! Another lesson learned! Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
For what it's worth, the pictures came through just fine on my iPad.Mike HardawaySent from an Apple iThingie.On Dec 30, 2012, at 7:28 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> OK, I've gotten several replies indicating that the pictures did not come> through, apple or pc, so I'll try again.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
For what it's worth, the pictures came through just fine on my iPad.Mike HardawaySent from an Apple iThingie.On Dec 30, 2012, at 7:28 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> OK, I've gotten several replies indicating that the pictures did not come> through, apple or pc, so I'll try again.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
> Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By:> EmchAir(at)aol.com
thanks Don=2CWe have a set of skies for the L2. We were thinking of trying them this winter. It would be tougher at Zelie since the taxi ways are plowed.> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
thanks Don=2CWe have a set of skies for the L2. We were thinking of trying them this winter. It would be tougher at Zelie since the taxi ways are plowed.> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Don, thanks for the inspirational posting about the skis. I clamped the Call Air skis on my Chief this afternoon and went up for 45 minutes. It was a lot warmer than your Piet ride but I envy your position. Two years ago I could not use the skis. I tried once but the snow was so deep I got stuck on the runway and had to pull it back to the hanger with a tractor. Last year we didn=99t have enough snow to put the skis on at all. This year it seems just right. Happy Holidays.Ralph in SD________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
Don, thanks for the inspirational posting about the skis. I clamped the Call Air skis on my Chief this afternoon and went up for 45 minutes. It was a lot warmer than your Piet ride but I envy your position. Two years ago I could not use the skis. I tried once but the snow was so deep I got stuck on the runway and had to pull it back to the hanger with a tractor. Last year we didn=99t have enough snow to put the skis on at all. This year it seems just right. Happy Holidays.Ralph in SD________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...
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Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Yep, Shad, that was all me and my torch... Ha! No way! I had a buddy weld itwith his tig welder. Someday I'd like to get one but until then I'm stuck withmy torch. I have seen torch welds in aluminum that look almost as nice. KentWhite... https://www.tinmantech.com/index.php ...is the master of oxygas welding. One of these days I want to get some ofhis materials and get practicing.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
Yep, Shad, that was all me and my torch... Ha! No way! I had a buddy weld itwith his tig welder. Someday I'd like to get one but until then I'm stuck withmy torch. I have seen torch welds in aluminum that look almost as nice. KentWhite... https://www.tinmantech.com/index.php ...is the master of oxygas welding. One of these days I want to get some ofhis materials and get practicing.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I was able to get the Piet on the skis yesterday. If you don't mind me practicing my "head on a swivel" kind of see and avoid you can go here and see me trying my new Go Pro on my head.> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__C7_4E_44> > Funny thing about the camera... I was asking about this kind of camera a month or so ago on the list here. My wife had already bought it for me for Christmas and I never said anything to her about wanting one! She just knows me a little to well I guess! Now to get creative with some mounts on the wing=2C the tail=2C a stick out in front of the wing....
> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 139#391139> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/resize_ski_2_174.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/resize_ski_1_188.jpg> > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I was able to get the Piet on the skis yesterday. If you don't mind me practicing my "head on a swivel" kind of see and avoid you can go here and see me trying my new Go Pro on my head.> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__C7_4E_44> > Funny thing about the camera... I was asking about this kind of camera a month or so ago on the list here. My wife had already bought it for me for Christmas and I never said anything to her about wanting one! She just knows me a little to well I guess! Now to get creative with some mounts on the wing=2C the tail=2C a stick out in front of the wing....
> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 139#391139> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/resize_ski_2_174.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/resize_ski_1_188.jpg> > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...>>> Hey Fred,>> The Piet taxis and turns amazingly well on the skis. It will turn justas tight as with the wheels. They even have very small keels on them andstill it swings right around. Keeping them waxed makes a huge differencein taxi, takeoff and handling in general. For a couple of winters I drugthe tailwheel through the snow. That little wheel found all the frozenbumps under the snow and just wasn't much fun. A couple of years ago Imade a tail ski. It is wonderful. It changed the whole handlingexperience. It just glides along now. I put a small keel in the ski. Ithought I had a picture of it somewhere but can't find it now. I'll try toget a picture of it today and post it.>> Don Emch> NX899DE>> P.S. Kip, there probably is some kind of servo mounted attachment outthere for the Go Pro. That's probably too advanced for me though. I haveenough trouble getting past "on" and "record". Ha!>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Tis the ski season...>>> Hey Fred,>> The Piet taxis and turns amazingly well on the skis. It will turn justas tight as with the wheels. They even have very small keels on them andstill it swings right around. Keeping them waxed makes a huge differencein taxi, takeoff and handling in general. For a couple of winters I drugthe tailwheel through the snow. That little wheel found all the frozenbumps under the snow and just wasn't much fun. A couple of years ago Imade a tail ski. It is wonderful. It changed the whole handlingexperience. It just glides along now. I put a small keel in the ski. Ithought I had a picture of it somewhere but can't find it now. I'll try toget a picture of it today and post it.>> Don Emch> NX899DE>> P.S. Kip, there probably is some kind of servo mounted attachment outthere for the Go Pro. That's probably too advanced for me though. I haveenough trouble getting past "on" and "record". Ha!>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gauge and type of metal for the top deck
Original Posted By: "Ralph"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > Hey Fred=2C> > The Piet taxis and turns amazingly well on the skis. It will turn just as tight as with the wheels. They even have very small keels on them and still it swings right around. Keeping them waxed makes a huge difference in taxi=2C takeoff and handling in general. For a couple of winters I drug the tailwheel through the snow. That little wheel found all the frozen bumps under the snow and just wasn't much fun. A couple of years ago I made a tail ski. It is wonderful. It changed the whole handling experience. It just glides along now. I put a small keel in the ski. I thought I had a picture of it somewhere but can't find it now. I'll try to get a picture of it today and post it.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > P.S. Kip=2C there probably is some kind of servo mounted attachment out there for the Go Pro. That's probably too advanced for me though. I have enough trouble getting past "on" and "record". Ha!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 222#391222> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > Hey Fred=2C> > The Piet taxis and turns amazingly well on the skis. It will turn just as tight as with the wheels. They even have very small keels on them and still it swings right around. Keeping them waxed makes a huge difference in taxi=2C takeoff and handling in general. For a couple of winters I drug the tailwheel through the snow. That little wheel found all the frozen bumps under the snow and just wasn't much fun. A couple of years ago I made a tail ski. It is wonderful. It changed the whole handling experience. It just glides along now. I put a small keel in the ski. I thought I had a picture of it somewhere but can't find it now. I'll try to get a picture of it today and post it.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > P.S. Kip=2C there probably is some kind of servo mounted attachment out there for the Go Pro. That's probably too advanced for me though. I have enough trouble getting past "on" and "record". Ha!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 222#391222> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________