Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School> > I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well.I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for > anything less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification > Course part 141. > > I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, > OH in a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red > Stewart Field in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either > an Aeronca or Cub. > > I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor > are booked!> > John> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 930#391930> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: to the bakery I go
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "John Francis" > Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and gotmy PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the world...... > It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start you > off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick > you in the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of > times. Flew and soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money > then anywhere else. I definately recommend them.....> All the best> Charles Burkholder
Pietenpol-List: to the bakery I go
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to the bakery I goThanks to you guys I now have a taste for Baklava. Ice cold milk and honey-crunchingon Fillo dough. I can almost taste it already. Cleveland has some good ethnic eats andgood Baklava is one of them.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:51:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to the bakery I goThanks to you guys I now have a taste for Baklava. Ice cold milk and honey-crunchingon Fillo dough. I can almost taste it already. Cleveland has some good ethnic eats andgood Baklava is one of them.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:51:08 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "tools"
Yeah, that's it Mike, spread the craving-bug around some ;)KipOn Jan 9, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> Thanks to you guys I now have a taste for Baklava. Ice cold milk > and honey-crunching> on Fillo dough. I can almost taste it already. Cleveland has > some good ethnic eats and> good Baklava is one of them.>> Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Yeah, that's it Mike, spread the craving-bug around some ;)KipOn Jan 9, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> Thanks to you guys I now have a taste for Baklava. Ice cold milk > and honey-crunching> on Fillo dough. I can almost taste it already. Cleveland has > some good ethnic eats and> good Baklava is one of them.>> Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Hey Mike,One point to consider is that you need ten hours of dual for light sport, and twentyfor a private. The ten hours you get for your light sport count towards the twenty ONLY IF youget from from a CFI, rather than a light sport instructor. As far as I know,the hourly rate for either instructor is the same, so there's no reason not tomake sure they will count later if needed. There is no statute of limitationsso to speak, once logged, it's good forever. The tests are different, and about $150, but that's not nearly as big a deal asan extra ten hours of plane and instructor rental, as I don't know of any instructorsthat'll instruct in a Piet. While you're getting your ten hours, ifthings are progressing well, get things like the night flight, control tower landings,class B flying (not sure if that's required off the top of my head, butseem to remember it...) out of the way. Again, once logged, you don't haveto repeat them, although you'll need something to burn up the additional tenhours anyway (should you upgrade later), so it's not something to fret, just somethingto keep in mind if you want to maximize efficiency.The biggest problem with the light sport is that you'll need an endorsement tobring the Piet out to Brodhead and for all the airports in between. It's a bitof a pain for cross country flying, a thing designed OUT of the rating essentially.Lastly, the best thing about light sport is the fact you don't need a medical.You can downgrade to light sport on your own and likely will have already madethe trip to brodhead and back and have it in your logbook, making an endorsementeasier to obtain later on... if you know what I mean. You can go right backto private by merely getting the appropriate physical and a BFR from a CFI(rather than from a light sport instructor), the FAA isn't involved there either(essentially).All just food for thought, not sure how deep you delved into all of this.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Hey Mike,One point to consider is that you need ten hours of dual for light sport, and twentyfor a private. The ten hours you get for your light sport count towards the twenty ONLY IF youget from from a CFI, rather than a light sport instructor. As far as I know,the hourly rate for either instructor is the same, so there's no reason not tomake sure they will count later if needed. There is no statute of limitationsso to speak, once logged, it's good forever. The tests are different, and about $150, but that's not nearly as big a deal asan extra ten hours of plane and instructor rental, as I don't know of any instructorsthat'll instruct in a Piet. While you're getting your ten hours, ifthings are progressing well, get things like the night flight, control tower landings,class B flying (not sure if that's required off the top of my head, butseem to remember it...) out of the way. Again, once logged, you don't haveto repeat them, although you'll need something to burn up the additional tenhours anyway (should you upgrade later), so it's not something to fret, just somethingto keep in mind if you want to maximize efficiency.The biggest problem with the light sport is that you'll need an endorsement tobring the Piet out to Brodhead and for all the airports in between. It's a bitof a pain for cross country flying, a thing designed OUT of the rating essentially.Lastly, the best thing about light sport is the fact you don't need a medical.You can downgrade to light sport on your own and likely will have already madethe trip to brodhead and back and have it in your logbook, making an endorsementeasier to obtain later on... if you know what I mean. You can go right backto private by merely getting the appropriate physical and a BFR from a CFI(rather than from a light sport instructor), the FAA isn't involved there either(essentially).All just food for thought, not sure how deep you delved into all of this.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: Matthew
I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well.I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less thanthe full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesvillefor my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked!John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well.I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less thanthe full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesvillefor my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked!John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
John, Not sure if you know or not, but anyway Woody Walker at Piqua in the Maint hangarnext to hartzell does instruction with his 152, But sounds like you have things under control!! Good luck!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> > I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well.I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less thanthe full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. > > I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesvillefor my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. > > I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked!> > John> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 930#391930> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
John, Not sure if you know or not, but anyway Woody Walker at Piqua in the Maint hangarnext to hartzell does instruction with his 152, But sounds like you have things under control!! Good luck!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> > I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well.I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less thanthe full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. > > I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesvillefor my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. > > I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked!> > John> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 930#391930> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: Matthew
Matthew,I know Woody and that would be a lot easier....just not approved by VA.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Matthew,I know Woody and that would be a lot easier....just not approved by VA.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Could you send me your contact down at MGY, if I can get the GI Bill to pay thatwould be great!ThanksSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> > Matthew,> > I know Woody and that would be a lot easier....just not approved by VA.> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 934#391934> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Could you send me your contact down at MGY, if I can get the GI Bill to pay thatwould be great!ThanksSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> > Matthew,> > I know Woody and that would be a lot easier....just not approved by VA.> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 934#391934> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Santiago,I put drain holes in both fin and rudder. I put seaplane grommets over the holes at the bottom of the rudder, to keep water from splashing up into the holes.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Hi Santiago,I put drain holes in both fin and rudder. I put seaplane grommets over the holes at the bottom of the rudder, to keep water from splashing up into the holes.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the world...... It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start you off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick you in the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of times. Flew and soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money then anywhere else. I definately recommend them.....All the bestCharles Burkholder----- Original Message -----
Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the world...... It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start you off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick you in the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of times. Flew and soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money then anywhere else. I definately recommend them.....All the bestCharles Burkholder----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Another one to keep in mind is the recreational certificate. 15 hours dual 15 solo, does require a medical but, it's a 1 time cross country sign off.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Michael Perez wrote:> > That's very cool John! I hope to get a flight in prior to the end of the month...we'll see. Keep me, (us) posted on how things are going and if you come accross something that you feel I should be aware of as we train, let me know. (I'll do the same.)> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Another one to keep in mind is the recreational certificate. 15 hours dual 15 solo, does require a medical but, it's a 1 time cross country sign off.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Michael Perez wrote:> > That's very cool John! I hope to get a flight in prior to the end of the month...we'll see. Keep me, (us) posted on how things are going and if you come accross something that you feel I should be aware of as we train, let me know. (I'll do the same.)> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Having flown into both Wright Brothers and Red Stewart fields on the way toand from Brodhead in past years, I can heartily endorse Red Stewart as areal airport, friendly to Pietenpols and other "real" airplanes, and havenothing good to say about Wright Brothers, unless you're flying a jet.That's the only place I've ever landed in my Pietenpol that didn't draw atleast one curious onlooker. They just seemed kind of bothered that I'dclutter up their ramp with something that wasn't powered with a turbine.I'd go out of my way to land at Red Stewart. Nice (grass) runway, cheapavgas and friendly service.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Having flown into both Wright Brothers and Red Stewart fields on the way toand from Brodhead in past years, I can heartily endorse Red Stewart as areal airport, friendly to Pietenpols and other "real" airplanes, and havenothing good to say about Wright Brothers, unless you're flying a jet.That's the only place I've ever landed in my Pietenpol that didn't draw atleast one curious onlooker. They just seemed kind of bothered that I'dclutter up their ramp with something that wasn't powered with a turbine.I'd go out of my way to land at Red Stewart. Nice (grass) runway, cheapavgas and friendly service.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Donna Hanshew, the Manager of Flight Training at Wright Bros. highly recommendedRed Stewart Field for all my training outside of this program. Many pilotsI know speak of them like you do Jack. That is where I was going to originallyget my sport license.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Donna Hanshew, the Manager of Flight Training at Wright Bros. highly recommendedRed Stewart Field for all my training outside of this program. Many pilotsI know speak of them like you do Jack. That is where I was going to originallyget my sport license.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: Charles Burkholder
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground SchoolJohn, If you have the option, I would suggest starting in a tail dragger. Thenyou can switch to the training wheel. I learned in 150s and had a lot of habits to get past. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground SchoolJohn, If you have the option, I would suggest starting in a tail dragger. Thenyou can switch to the training wheel. I learned in 150s and had a lot of habits to get past. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: John Francis
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground SchoolHaving told you to go with a taildragger first. Sounds like your plan to get intoone quickly should work. Don't let people talk down the 152. I owned a 1958 Cessna 150. The fastback straighttail version. It cruised everywhere at 100MPH. very cheap to buy and fly.A lot of guys who will look down their nose at you in a Cessna 152 don't flytheir expensive planes very much. Too expensive.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground SchoolHaving told you to go with a taildragger first. Sounds like your plan to get intoone quickly should work. Don't let people talk down the 152. I owned a 1958 Cessna 150. The fastback straighttail version. It cruised everywhere at 100MPH. very cheap to buy and fly.A lot of guys who will look down their nose at you in a Cessna 152 don't flytheir expensive planes very much. Too expensive.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By:> Charles Burkholder
I was hanging around Stewart one day talking to one of the instructors andhe told me he went to Ohio University and got all of his ratings. Than hecame to Waynesville and learned how to fly.Skip> [Original Message]
I was hanging around Stewart one day talking to one of the instructors andhe told me he went to Ohio University and got all of his ratings. Than hecame to Waynesville and learned how to fly.Skip> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
You'll obviously need one of these! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BMqRfEu7A4Way too much fun!Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first If my wife continues on to get her license as well, that will plant the seed for building another aircraft...for her...8^ [ ) Of course since I will be building it, I get to decide which type, color, engine,... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com________________________________________________________________________________
You'll obviously need one of these! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BMqRfEu7A4Way too much fun!Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first If my wife continues on to get her license as well, that will plant the seed for building another aircraft...for her...8^ [ ) Of course since I will be building it, I get to decide which type, color, engine,... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes
Original Posted By: santiago morete
Santiago,Drain holes are a good idea any place water might collect.After the infamous rain deluge during Brodhead 2010 NX18235 had water sloshing around in the rudder, elevators and ailerons. I had to poke a few additional holes before I could fly home. Greg CardinalMinneapolis ----- Original Message -----
Santiago,Drain holes are a good idea any place water might collect.After the infamous rain deluge during Brodhead 2010 NX18235 had water sloshing around in the rudder, elevators and ailerons. I had to poke a few additional holes before I could fly home. Greg CardinalMinneapolis ----- Original Message -----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School>>> Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and > got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the > world...... It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start > you off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick youin > the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of times. Flew and > soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money then anywhere else. I > definately recommend them.....> All the best> Charles Burkholder________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School>>> Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and > got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the > world...... It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start > you off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick youin > the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of times. Flew and > soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money then anywhere else. I > definately recommend them.....> All the best> Charles Burkholder________________________________________________________________________________