Original Posted By: "Pilot78"
Dennis,Here is a link to a Tony Bingelis article on building aluminum fuel tanks.Hope it helps.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birchbut being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much moreexpensive. Any input is appreciated.BrianSLC-UTRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birchbut being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much moreexpensive. Any input is appreciated.BrianSLC-UTRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
Most Baltic birch available at lumber yards (even specialty ones) is manufacturedwith an interior-grade glue that will not stand up to the environmental conditionsmost of our planes will encounter in normal use. Not recommended forthat reason.Kip GardnerOn Jan 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Pilot78 wrote:> > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnishbirch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course muchmore expensive. Any input is appreciated.> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 282#392282> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Most Baltic birch available at lumber yards (even specialty ones) is manufacturedwith an interior-grade glue that will not stand up to the environmental conditionsmost of our planes will encounter in normal use. Not recommended forthat reason.Kip GardnerOn Jan 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Pilot78 wrote:> > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnishbirch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course muchmore expensive. Any input is appreciated.> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 282#392282> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
I thought some might be interested. Harry Riblett Passed away in Dec. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/delawa ... 943313Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
I thought some might be interested. Harry Riblett Passed away in Dec. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/delawa ... 943313Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Brian,I bought most of my marine grade mahogany at Macbeath in Berkeley. I don't seeany Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote:> > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnishbirch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course muchmore expensive. Any input is appreciated.> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 282#392282> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Brian,I bought most of my marine grade mahogany at Macbeath in Berkeley. I don't seeany Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote:> > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnishbirch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course muchmore expensive. Any input is appreciated.> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 282#392282> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
...anyhow, as I was saying before my I-phone took it upon itself to send that...I don't see any marine grade birch on their web site, which would be the minimumyou would need. All my gussets were done with 1/8" marine grade mahogany.Gary BootheNX308MBSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote:> > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnishbirch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course muchmore expensive. Any input is appreciated.> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 282#392282> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
...anyhow, as I was saying before my I-phone took it upon itself to send that...I don't see any marine grade birch on their web site, which would be the minimumyou would need. All my gussets were done with 1/8" marine grade mahogany.Gary BootheNX308MBSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote:> > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice lookingbut only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussetson tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnishbirch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course muchmore expensive. Any input is appreciated.> > Brian> SLC-UT> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 282#392282> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net]
Thanks for all the input... MacBeath carries the marine grade Mahogany so I willpick that up tomorrow and its only 15 minutes from the hangar. Brian. SLC-UT----- Original Message -----
Thanks for all the input... MacBeath carries the marine grade Mahogany so I willpick that up tomorrow and its only 15 minutes from the hangar. Brian. SLC-UT----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Again, don't use it if they can't verify that it's marine grade or a comparable weatherproof spec. As I said before "Baltic Birch" is most often made with glue suitable for interior applications only. It is mainly a decorative plywood, not meant to be structural. We had a guy here locally who did a restoration of an L-2. He used Baltic Birch for the floor & it delaminated in about 2 years. The plane was stored/ displayed in a museum hangar. Fortunately, being a steel-tube plane, there was no ramification besides the inconvenience of having to do a replacement.Kip GardnerOn Jan 15, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:> Use your local supplier; I used marine 3mm for my gussets and its > more than strong enough.> Jim B.>>> My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka > spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. > They are very nice looking but only 3 ply.>>> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================>>________________________________________________________________________________
Again, don't use it if they can't verify that it's marine grade or a comparable weatherproof spec. As I said before "Baltic Birch" is most often made with glue suitable for interior applications only. It is mainly a decorative plywood, not meant to be structural. We had a guy here locally who did a restoration of an L-2. He used Baltic Birch for the floor & it delaminated in about 2 years. The plane was stored/ displayed in a museum hangar. Fortunately, being a steel-tube plane, there was no ramification besides the inconvenience of having to do a replacement.Kip GardnerOn Jan 15, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:> Use your local supplier; I used marine 3mm for my gussets and its > more than strong enough.> Jim B.>>> My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka > spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. > They are very nice looking but only 3 ply.>>> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================> _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ======================>>________________________________________________________________________________