Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
I couldn't agree more with Douwe. =C2-When I first saw the post about using Lowe's steel, and the justification, I had a shiver - the ghost of The Fisherman is at large.Kip GardnerOn Jan 18, 2013, at 4:15 PM, George Abernathy wrote:Hallelulya, Amen!
Pietenpol-List: a hardware store steel rant...
Pietenpol-List: a hardware store steel rant...
Original Posted By: Gerry Holland
OK, add me to the Pedant-arist list. here goes.PLEASE Do NOT spend all those years building a scratch-built plane that youwant to last for a lifetime, fly yourself and others around many thousandsof feet above the very hard earth and try to save a VERY few bucks by usingsteel found at Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace or any other hardware store. Do not do the above and try to save a VERY few bucks by using wood thatisn't up to snuff.Do not do the above and try to save a VERY few bucks by using hardware storecable. Or shackles. Or turnbuckles.Do NOT substitute anything that has to do with strength and safety to save afew bucks. We have discussed this many times over the years and the actualsavings in buying cheaper metal and wood is insignificant!!!!!!!!!!! Don'tdo it!!!!!! What in the world is the point!!!!!!Trust me, ALL these decisions take on a WHOLE new meaning when your dreamsturn to reality and you're flying a friend's kid and get knocked around insome wicked turbulence.. That hundred buck savings pales in significanceREAL QUICK!!!!! IT'S MEANINGLESS!!!!!!!I'm the last guy on earth to swallow that "only aircraft certified" line,BUT use common sense people and don't get so carried away with "Pietenpolscavenger" syndrome and saving a dime here and there that you loose sight ofthe big picture.This advice is actually worth a lot MORE than my usual $.02 charge.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
OK, add me to the Pedant-arist list. here goes.PLEASE Do NOT spend all those years building a scratch-built plane that youwant to last for a lifetime, fly yourself and others around many thousandsof feet above the very hard earth and try to save a VERY few bucks by usingsteel found at Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace or any other hardware store. Do not do the above and try to save a VERY few bucks by using wood thatisn't up to snuff.Do not do the above and try to save a VERY few bucks by using hardware storecable. Or shackles. Or turnbuckles.Do NOT substitute anything that has to do with strength and safety to save afew bucks. We have discussed this many times over the years and the actualsavings in buying cheaper metal and wood is insignificant!!!!!!!!!!! Don'tdo it!!!!!! What in the world is the point!!!!!!Trust me, ALL these decisions take on a WHOLE new meaning when your dreamsturn to reality and you're flying a friend's kid and get knocked around insome wicked turbulence.. That hundred buck savings pales in significanceREAL QUICK!!!!! IT'S MEANINGLESS!!!!!!!I'm the last guy on earth to swallow that "only aircraft certified" line,BUT use common sense people and don't get so carried away with "Pietenpolscavenger" syndrome and saving a dime here and there that you loose sight ofthe big picture.This advice is actually worth a lot MORE than my usual $.02 charge.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: a hardware store steel rant...
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
HEAR, HEAR!!!!!!In fairness it's not just Pietenpol's. I've been in the company of $100K RV Builderswhinging over the price of item at $2.00 that is needed!Thanks Douwe for a fair input.Gerry________________________________________________________________________________
HEAR, HEAR!!!!!!In fairness it's not just Pietenpol's. I've been in the company of $100K RV Builderswhinging over the price of item at $2.00 that is needed!Thanks Douwe for a fair input.Gerry________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: a hardware store steel rant...
Original Posted By:> Douwe Blumberg
I couldn't agree more with Douwe. When I first saw the post about using Lowe's steel, and the justification, I had a shiver - the ghost of The Fisherman is at large.Kip GardnerOn Jan 18, 2013, at 4:15 PM, George Abernathy wrote:> Hallelulya, Amen!>>
I couldn't agree more with Douwe. When I first saw the post about using Lowe's steel, and the justification, I had a shiver - the ghost of The Fisherman is at large.Kip GardnerOn Jan 18, 2013, at 4:15 PM, George Abernathy wrote:> Hallelulya, Amen!>>
> Pietenpol-List: a hardware store steel rant...
Original Posted By: Dave Millikan
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Original Posted By: "tools"
I found out that the standard Aeronca heat muff and exhaust stacks (for the A65 and A75) didn't produce much temperature rise at all when carb heat was applied. The air pretty much shoots right past the stacks into the air box with the standard setup. I had a flat steel plate added in the "Y" of the exhaust stacks where the muff goes=2C that forces the air to go around the pipes and the heated plate=2C and now I get a nice temperature rise and a noticeable RPM drop on application of carb heat.Don't ask me how I know=2C but carb heat is a must on these setups.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
I found out that the standard Aeronca heat muff and exhaust stacks (for the A65 and A75) didn't produce much temperature rise at all when carb heat was applied. The air pretty much shoots right past the stacks into the air box with the standard setup. I had a flat steel plate added in the "Y" of the exhaust stacks where the muff goes=2C that forces the air to go around the pipes and the heated plate=2C and now I get a nice temperature rise and a noticeable RPM drop on application of carb heat.Don't ask me how I know=2C but carb heat is a must on these setups.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
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Original Posted By: "tools"
Hey Dave,You contradicted yourself by saying "follow the plans..." in that you're giving structural advice there, which calls for 1020 steel like you mentioned, and you saw how well that went over!- :)Don't sweat it, they get a little jumpy around here when you "don't follow the plans", well, except how THEY didn't...- We're all selectively compliant.Not many steel fuselages out there and it seems you built your own, lots of guys here would love to know more about that, and they won't assume you're using Lowe's hardware for the motor mounts...ToolsPS Thanks for your service.- Did you fly control line planes with Armstrong?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#392625le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
Hey Dave,You contradicted yourself by saying "follow the plans..." in that you're giving structural advice there, which calls for 1020 steel like you mentioned, and you saw how well that went over!- :)Don't sweat it, they get a little jumpy around here when you "don't follow the plans", well, except how THEY didn't...- We're all selectively compliant.Not many steel fuselages out there and it seems you built your own, lots of guys here would love to know more about that, and they won't assume you're using Lowe's hardware for the motor mounts...ToolsPS Thanks for your service.- Did you fly control line planes with Armstrong?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#392625le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Just how "in the way" is that Starduster Too? I mean, if you're having a storageproblem... Of course, not really going to believe you until I see a picture,just sayin.I figured you had to fly control line given the time frame and all. I'm aboutto start on a George Aldrich Nobler. I'll scratch build it from the 1952 plansso it'll be Old Time and Vintage legal. I still prefer the control line flyingover radio control. So, the Piet and Starduster are one thing, but did you use AN hardware in the GeeBee? It IS a racer after all, and probably took a lot more abuse at the handsof a grandkid imagining he's Doolittle than our little Piets will ever see!I've got plans for a Spad (ala Rickenbacker) for my son... who just startedcollege. Uh, maybe I'll have it done for HIS kids!Cheers,Tools (old Navy tanker pilot)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
Just how "in the way" is that Starduster Too? I mean, if you're having a storageproblem... Of course, not really going to believe you until I see a picture,just sayin.I figured you had to fly control line given the time frame and all. I'm aboutto start on a George Aldrich Nobler. I'll scratch build it from the 1952 plansso it'll be Old Time and Vintage legal. I still prefer the control line flyingover radio control. So, the Piet and Starduster are one thing, but did you use AN hardware in the GeeBee? It IS a racer after all, and probably took a lot more abuse at the handsof a grandkid imagining he's Doolittle than our little Piets will ever see!I've got plans for a Spad (ala Rickenbacker) for my son... who just startedcollege. Uh, maybe I'll have it done for HIS kids!Cheers,Tools (old Navy tanker pilot)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Just a question- What did BHP use?--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
Just a question- What did BHP use?--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant...
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Original Posted By: tools
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant..."We're all selectively compliant."Reminds me of Historical Reenactors. Some will show up in new levis, Cowboy boots,anda mobetta shirt and say they are reenacting being a cowboy on the trail.Others will brag about having the right stitching on the button holes on theirdrop seat long johns. The best are somewhere in the middle.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a hardware store steel rant..."We're all selectively compliant."Reminds me of Historical Reenactors. Some will show up in new levis, Cowboy boots,anda mobetta shirt and say they are reenacting being a cowboy on the trail.Others will brag about having the right stitching on the button holes on theirdrop seat long johns. The best are somewhere in the middle.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----