Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Hi Guys,Having some trouble with the location of my brake pedals in relation to the rudderbar. Want to locate the brake pads before I drill holes in the fuze walls.Like to know what works well as far as;1 distance from fuze wall ply.2 vertical distance above rudder bar.3 distance fore or aft of neutral rudder bar.Thanks,Skip________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Toe brake pedal location
Re: Pietenpol-List: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
On the center section plans it shows this access cover. Where is it located? I'm guessing just below the aileron cable pulley...thanks!DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQNCkphY2sgVGV4dG9y________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Toe brake pedal location
On the center section plans it shows this access cover. Where is it located? I'm guessing just below the aileron cable pulley...thanks!DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQNCkphY2sgVGV4dG9y________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: skipgadd
Hi Skip,Here is one way to do it. Can't give you measurements but maybe you can eyeball these pics. As you can see I added a semi-circular delrin block to the face of the pedal because "as designed" was a little too far away from my foot. Now this set-up works quite well.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN -----Original Message-----
Hi Skip,Here is one way to do it. Can't give you measurements but maybe you can eyeball these pics. As you can see I added a semi-circular delrin block to the face of the pedal because "as designed" was a little too far away from my foot. Now this set-up works quite well.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Original Posted By: "dwilson"
Jack,Here is a picture showing how Mr. Pietenpol built it...DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dan4 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Jack,Here is a picture showing how Mr. Pietenpol built it...DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dan4 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Original Posted By: "dwilson"
Here is the other photo.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dan9 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Here is the other photo.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dan9 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Jack, the pictures are of the 1966 one piece wing. I have pictures of Vi's threepiece wing I will post as soon as I find them...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Jack, the pictures are of the 1966 one piece wing. I have pictures of Vi's threepiece wing I will post as soon as I find them...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By:
Hi Dan,Thanks, that's the exact type of info I am looking for.Skip----- Original Message -----
Hi Dan,Thanks, that's the exact type of info I am looking for.Skip----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access Opening
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thanks Dan it appears he didn't have one in the center section, no ply bottom belowthe pulley...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 2, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "dwilson" wrote:> > Here is the other photo.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 435#393435> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dan9_147.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Dan it appears he didn't have one in the center section, no ply bottom belowthe pulley...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 2, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "dwilson" wrote:> > Here is the other photo.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 435#393435> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dan9_147.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Access Opening
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,Of all the Pietenpol assemblies, it is my guess that he center section isthe most widely customized, even amongst 'purists'! Why, I've even heard ofbuilders fitting in electronics!!I don't recall how close to plans mine ended up, but you can see by the picsthat they are centered right under the aileron pulley, and mount with smallstainless screws into back up strips of wood.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Jack,Of all the Pietenpol assemblies, it is my guess that he center section isthe most widely customized, even amongst 'purists'! Why, I've even heard ofbuilders fitting in electronics!!I don't recall how close to plans mine ended up, but you can see by the picsthat they are centered right under the aileron pulley, and mount with smallstainless screws into back up strips of wood.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Access Opening
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Re: Pietenpol-List: Access Opening
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Electronics yikes! Now considering a hatch over the rear bay to provide accessto my pulleys and electronics but then, that's something else to leak....decisions...thanksfor the input!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 2, 2013, at 9:08 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> Jack,> > Of all the Pietenpol assemblies, it is my guess that he center section is> the most widely customized, even amongst 'purists'! Why, I've even heard of> builders fitting in electronics!!> > I don't recall how close to plans mine ended up, but you can see by the pics> that they are centered right under the aileron pulley, and mount with small> stainless screws into back up strips of wood.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Electronics yikes! Now considering a hatch over the rear bay to provide accessto my pulleys and electronics but then, that's something else to leak....decisions...thanksfor the input!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 2, 2013, at 9:08 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> Jack,> > Of all the Pietenpol assemblies, it is my guess that he center section is> the most widely customized, even amongst 'purists'! Why, I've even heard of> builders fitting in electronics!!> > I don't recall how close to plans mine ended up, but you can see by the pics> that they are centered right under the aileron pulley, and mount with small> stainless screws into back up strips of wood.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Chuck=3B I don't have a picture of just the pitot=2C but you can see it pretty well in this picture: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine ... 1.jpgOscar ZunigaMedford=2C OR ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Chuck=3B I don't have a picture of just the pitot=2C but you can see it pretty well in this picture: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine ... 1.jpgOscar ZunigaMedford=2C OR ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Are you talking about the Bill Rewey type setup?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Are you talking about the Bill Rewey type setup?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Sorry... I should have continued: if you're using the Bill Rewey setup with brakemasters mounted to the fuselage diagonals and toe pedals directly actuatingthem, there are some very good pictures of his setup, left and right sides, onwestcoastpiet.com . Go to 'photos', Bill Rewey's, and take a look. Scout hasthat same setup except with extensions welded onto the smallish pedals in thestock Rewey setup. It's a bit easier for my feet to find the pedals with shortextensions on them.I found when I replaced the old masters (which were ex-Cessna with the parkingbrake bits, just like Rewey's) with new Matco masters, the geometry placed thepedals in just a bit of a diffferent position and I didn't like it, so I hadto relocate the mounting points for the new masters. I didn't want to drill moreholes in the fuselage framing, but it turned out that I could re-use one ofthe two existing holes and just make one new one.Brake pedal positioning is a very subjective thing and all you'll be able to getfrom the rest of us is an approximation. As they say, "your mileage may vary".--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Sorry... I should have continued: if you're using the Bill Rewey setup with brakemasters mounted to the fuselage diagonals and toe pedals directly actuatingthem, there are some very good pictures of his setup, left and right sides, onwestcoastpiet.com . Go to 'photos', Bill Rewey's, and take a look. Scout hasthat same setup except with extensions welded onto the smallish pedals in thestock Rewey setup. It's a bit easier for my feet to find the pedals with shortextensions on them.I found when I replaced the old masters (which were ex-Cessna with the parkingbrake bits, just like Rewey's) with new Matco masters, the geometry placed thepedals in just a bit of a diffferent position and I didn't like it, so I hadto relocate the mounting points for the new masters. I didn't want to drill moreholes in the fuselage framing, but it turned out that I could re-use one ofthe two existing holes and just make one new one.Brake pedal positioning is a very subjective thing and all you'll be able to getfrom the rest of us is an approximation. As they say, "your mileage may vary".--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Photo of my setup. As I said, it's basically a Bill Rewey setup but with somemodifications. I no longer have parking brakes, either.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... __________
Photo of my setup. As I said, it's basically a Bill Rewey setup but with somemodifications. I no longer have parking brakes, either.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By:> taildrags
Hey OscarYes, planing on the Bill Rewey type setup.I have Hurst Airheart master cylinder/resevoir and calipers.The trick with toe brakes and rudder bar I believe is you need to be ableto apply max rudder deflection without break. Also it would be nice be ableto do max brake with the rudder bar at neutral.Based on your and Dans pictures I believe my pads are too high (4.5") abovethe bar, and maybe too far aft (about half way between the rudder bar andseat bulkhead).I plan to move the master cylinder out to the ply board and bend or remakethe peddles (this is my third set). The new pad location would be about aninch aft of the seat bulkhead, 3" to 3.5" above the bar, and the outsideedge of the pad just inboard the 1" diagonal.I have looked at Reweys pictures and a lot more at West Coast Piet, but notall. Would welcome suggestions of good pictures there or other sites.ThanksSkip > [Original Message]
Hey OscarYes, planing on the Bill Rewey type setup.I have Hurst Airheart master cylinder/resevoir and calipers.The trick with toe brakes and rudder bar I believe is you need to be ableto apply max rudder deflection without break. Also it would be nice be ableto do max brake with the rudder bar at neutral.Based on your and Dans pictures I believe my pads are too high (4.5") abovethe bar, and maybe too far aft (about half way between the rudder bar andseat bulkhead).I plan to move the master cylinder out to the ply board and bend or remakethe peddles (this is my third set). The new pad location would be about aninch aft of the seat bulkhead, 3" to 3.5" above the bar, and the outsideedge of the pad just inboard the 1" diagonal.I have looked at Reweys pictures and a lot more at West Coast Piet, but notall. Would welcome suggestions of good pictures there or other sites.ThanksSkip > [Original Message]
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiasts,Because of all the comments/questions to date, I thought a brief update mignt be in order.it's attached in a pdf file. Just cick and open.Please keep in mind that the testing is and will be ongoing for some time.Enjoy,P. F. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiasts,Because of all the comments/questions to date, I thought a brief update mignt be in order.it's attached in a pdf file. Just cick and open.Please keep in mind that the testing is and will be ongoing for some time.Enjoy,P. F. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: Gardiner
Skip;Unfortunately, you may just have to take your best shot at working out the geometrywhile sitting in the cockpit, then wait until you do your taxi tests to seehow your pedal geometry works. The good news is that it's not too difficultto get the brake pedals out to work on them after the brakes are installed.That is, it's not too difficult unless you have a large torso and short arms,because it involves hanging over the side into the front cockpit to work on thebrakes. It can get awkward.When I first started flying the Piet, I worried about inadvertently applying brakeswhile dancing on the rudder bar in a gusty x-wind landing. I had these fearsof putting the plane on its nose or hitting the prop if I pressed on thebrakes while rolling out. So far, I've never done that, and I don't consciouslythink about staying off the brakes while waggling the rudder during landing.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:14:15 -0500
Skip;Unfortunately, you may just have to take your best shot at working out the geometrywhile sitting in the cockpit, then wait until you do your taxi tests to seehow your pedal geometry works. The good news is that it's not too difficultto get the brake pedals out to work on them after the brakes are installed.That is, it's not too difficult unless you have a large torso and short arms,because it involves hanging over the side into the front cockpit to work on thebrakes. It can get awkward.When I first started flying the Piet, I worried about inadvertently applying brakeswhile dancing on the rudder bar in a gusty x-wind landing. I had these fearsof putting the plane on its nose or hitting the prop if I pressed on thebrakes while rolling out. So far, I've never done that, and I don't consciouslythink about staying off the brakes while waggling the rudder during landing.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:14:15 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on comparisson test of Pietenpol and Riblett
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Well, here's an opportunity to compare theory with practice. Back when I usedto be on the airfoil group on yahoo groups, there was a very good paper postedby the moderator. In it, he compared the Cub airfoil (USA35B) with the Pietenpolairfoil analytically, and made some comments about what the differences mightbe in stall and drag. I believe there was also a paper posted there fromthe late Harry Riblett, containing his own observations and comparisons betweenone of his airfoils and the Pietenpol airfoil. If anybody is on that list,perhaps you can retrieve that info.Mind you, all of this is academic, but it can be fun too. And not that scientificadvancement doesn't have its value and successes, but don't you love it whensomething that's done by eye turns out nicer than something that a computergenerates? Based on what I've seen in a lot of cases over the years, Mr. Pietenpolhas smiled many times from his grave as his good old Air Camper has provenitself over attempted "improvements" to it. I know he has smiled at me atime or two when I've tried.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on comparisson test of Pietenpol and Riblettairfoils
Well, here's an opportunity to compare theory with practice. Back when I usedto be on the airfoil group on yahoo groups, there was a very good paper postedby the moderator. In it, he compared the Cub airfoil (USA35B) with the Pietenpolairfoil analytically, and made some comments about what the differences mightbe in stall and drag. I believe there was also a paper posted there fromthe late Harry Riblett, containing his own observations and comparisons betweenone of his airfoils and the Pietenpol airfoil. If anybody is on that list,perhaps you can retrieve that info.Mind you, all of this is academic, but it can be fun too. And not that scientificadvancement doesn't have its value and successes, but don't you love it whensomething that's done by eye turns out nicer than something that a computergenerates? Based on what I've seen in a lot of cases over the years, Mr. Pietenpolhas smiled many times from his grave as his good old Air Camper has provenitself over attempted "improvements" to it. I know he has smiled at me atime or two when I've tried.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on comparisson test of Pietenpol and Riblettairfoils
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Hi Skip - I guessed on the geometry and got lucky. it worked well. I used a differentbrake system but the ergonomics are similar. I don't have measurementsbut you can get an idea from the picture. This is a view from the right sideof the front cockpit looking left. You can barely see the tip of the rudderbar. Above that you see the left master cylinder and pedal.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_ ... ______Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 07:52:14 -0800 (PST)
Hi Skip - I guessed on the geometry and got lucky. it worked well. I used a differentbrake system but the ergonomics are similar. I don't have measurementsbut you can get an idea from the picture. This is a view from the right sideof the front cockpit looking left. You can barely see the tip of the rudderbar. Above that you see the left master cylinder and pedal.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_ ... ______Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 07:52:14 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
This is the post of the wing weight http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t-420Last week I cover one wing, I have to stitch it, and paint it now.Your wing weight just 45 pounds?!?!... I am going to weight mine againRegards--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:39:31 -0800 (PST)
This is the post of the wing weight http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t-420Last week I cover one wing, I have to stitch it, and paint it now.Your wing weight just 45 pounds?!?!... I am going to weight mine againRegards--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:39:31 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Michael,That sounds light. Well done. I think my wing panel was 53 lbs.Greg BaconN114DOn Feb 4, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> > Crew, I remember seeing a post not too long ago about wing weight. I don't remember what the various weights were in that post but for fun, I weighed some of my wing components. Yesterday I finished the left side of my three piece wing. This wing is flight ready and ready to be installed. On a bathroom scale, it weighed 45#. I decided to also weigh the center section which is also flight ready, it weighed 15#.> > I will be starting the covering of the right wing as soon as I find a place to move the finished left wing and make time to get started...should be Tuesday-ish. The right wing will have the pitot system installed in it. > > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Michael,That sounds light. Well done. I think my wing panel was 53 lbs.Greg BaconN114DOn Feb 4, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> > Crew, I remember seeing a post not too long ago about wing weight. I don't remember what the various weights were in that post but for fun, I weighed some of my wing components. Yesterday I finished the left side of my three piece wing. This wing is flight ready and ready to be installed. On a bathroom scale, it weighed 45#. I decided to also weigh the center section which is also flight ready, it weighed 15#.> > I will be starting the covering of the right wing as soon as I find a place to move the finished left wing and make time to get started...should be Tuesday-ish. The right wing will have the pitot system installed in it. > > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By:> kevinpurtee
Hi Kevin,Thanks, great idea. The white pedal, is it L shaped with the short leg atthe top coming toward the camera?Skip> [Original Message]
Hi Kevin,Thanks, great idea. The white pedal, is it L shaped with the short leg atthe top coming toward the camera?Skip> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: Jack
The white pedal is a piece of aluminum hacked out of a chunk of a big aluminumI-beam. (I ended up replacing them with steel angle 'cause they bent. Dimensionswere the same, though.) The short leg of the "L" attached to the mastercylinder. The long leg was the pedal. Here's another picture. If you look atthe very bottom you'll see the pedals on either side of the seat and get anidea of the shape & dimensions.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_ ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
The white pedal is a piece of aluminum hacked out of a chunk of a big aluminumI-beam. (I ended up replacing them with steel angle 'cause they bent. Dimensionswere the same, though.) The short leg of the "L" attached to the mastercylinder. The long leg was the pedal. Here's another picture. If you look atthe very bottom you'll see the pedals on either side of the seat and get anidea of the shape & dimensions.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_ ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Kevin is that an observation port on the floor...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 4, 2013, at 1:47 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:> > The white pedal is a piece of aluminum hacked out of a chunk of a big aluminumI-beam. (I ended up replacing them with steel angle 'cause they bent. Dimensionswere the same, though.) The short leg of the "L" attached to the mastercylinder. The long leg was the pedal. Here's another picture. If you lookat the very bottom you'll see the pedals on either side of the seat and get anidea of the shape & dimensions.> > --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 598#393598> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_skip_138.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Kevin is that an observation port on the floor...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 4, 2013, at 1:47 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:> > The white pedal is a piece of aluminum hacked out of a chunk of a big aluminumI-beam. (I ended up replacing them with steel angle 'cause they bent. Dimensionswere the same, though.) The short leg of the "L" attached to the mastercylinder. The long leg was the pedal. Here's another picture. If you lookat the very bottom you'll see the pedals on either side of the seat and get anidea of the shape & dimensions.> > --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 598#393598> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_skip_138.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Pietenpol-List: Re: smooth tires
Original Posted By: "DOMIT"
Hi Jack - I originally built it as convenient access to the inside of the firewall.I'd painted a piece of aluminum to cover it. Couldn't find the aluminumso I ended up putting on a lexan cover instead. That turned out really handy.It lit the inside of the front pit a little for preflight and terrified passengerscould watch the earth come hurtling towards them on landing.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: smooth tires
Hi Jack - I originally built it as convenient access to the inside of the firewall.I'd painted a piece of aluminum to cover it. Couldn't find the aluminumso I ended up putting on a lexan cover instead. That turned out really handy.It lit the inside of the front pit a little for preflight and terrified passengerscould watch the earth come hurtling towards them on landing.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: smooth tires
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: Jack
tools wrote:> At the EAA's Week's hangar, they recently set up the wire wheels for the StandardJ1 and I think they're 21" (on what are supposedly old Jenny spoke rims,21x4) and they have new smooth tires on them which I believe are Cokers. Nexttime I'm up there I'll get the info if it's not posted by then.> > However, I think they spent FIFTEEN HUNDRED BUCKS on those used rims and newtires... yikes.> > Good looking though, perfectly smooth, nice and round, I had no clue tires likethat were still being made. I don't believe they're NOS or anything.I got a tip from the Flitzer guys, and did a bit of research... IF y'all don't think these are too small, there is an inexpensive solution readilyavailable.17" motorcycle wheels, and EITHER 17" slicks for motorcycles, or the front tiresfor "dragsters." I've heard you can pick up those front tires after a few runs(they replace frequently) for a song.--------Brad "DOMIT" SmithFirst rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
tools wrote:> At the EAA's Week's hangar, they recently set up the wire wheels for the StandardJ1 and I think they're 21" (on what are supposedly old Jenny spoke rims,21x4) and they have new smooth tires on them which I believe are Cokers. Nexttime I'm up there I'll get the info if it's not posted by then.> > However, I think they spent FIFTEEN HUNDRED BUCKS on those used rims and newtires... yikes.> > Good looking though, perfectly smooth, nice and round, I had no clue tires likethat were still being made. I don't believe they're NOS or anything.I got a tip from the Flitzer guys, and did a bit of research... IF y'all don't think these are too small, there is an inexpensive solution readilyavailable.17" motorcycle wheels, and EITHER 17" slicks for motorcycles, or the front tiresfor "dragsters." I've heard you can pick up those front tires after a few runs(they replace frequently) for a song.--------Brad "DOMIT" SmithFirst rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
I like it!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 4, 2013, at 3:29 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:> > Hi Jack - I originally built it as convenient access to the inside of the firewall.I'd painted a piece of aluminum to cover it. Couldn't find the aluminumso I ended up putting on a lexan cover instead. That turned out really handy.It lit the inside of the front pit a little for preflight and terrified passengerscould watch the earth come hurtling towards them on landing.> > --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> Rebuilding NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 608#393608> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
I like it!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 4, 2013, at 3:29 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:> > Hi Jack - I originally built it as convenient access to the inside of the firewall.I'd painted a piece of aluminum to cover it. Couldn't find the aluminumso I ended up putting on a lexan cover instead. That turned out really handy.It lit the inside of the front pit a little for preflight and terrified passengerscould watch the earth come hurtling towards them on landing.> > --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> Rebuilding NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 608#393608> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Okay now, Scout NEEDS one of those ports in the floor! That is really interesting!Absolutely right about it admitting some natural light for preflighting,and to give the front-seat navigator a view of landmarks on the ground ;o) Thatis going on my summer projects list to do!Actually, it is such a pain to lean way down into the front cockpit to work onthe fuel shutoff valve on my airplane that I'm going to make sure my observationport is hinged and latched (from the outside) so I can get a hand up into thatarea. Very cool!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Okay now, Scout NEEDS one of those ports in the floor! That is really interesting!Absolutely right about it admitting some natural light for preflighting,and to give the front-seat navigator a view of landmarks on the ground ;o) Thatis going on my summer projects list to do!Actually, it is such a pain to lean way down into the front cockpit to work onthe fuel shutoff valve on my airplane that I'm going to make sure my observationport is hinged and latched (from the outside) so I can get a hand up into thatarea. Very cool!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Original Posted By: "giacummo"
Glass Bottom Boat! :-)ClifThe Early Bird may get the worm but the secondmouse gets the cheese.> Okay now, Scout NEEDS one of those ports in the floor! to give the > front-seat navigator a view of landmarks on the ground ;o) > Oscar Zuniga________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Glass Bottom Boat! :-)ClifThe Early Bird may get the worm but the secondmouse gets the cheese.> Okay now, Scout NEEDS one of those ports in the floor! to give the > front-seat navigator a view of landmarks on the ground ;o) > Oscar Zuniga________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
All these posts about the 'port on the floor' reminds me of the first time I ever took my wife for a ride in a helicopter (which has the entire nose as a 'port.' She said, "Problem is I can see too much!" There are pros and cons to have the port. C----- Original Message -----
All these posts about the 'port on the floor' reminds me of the first time I ever took my wife for a ride in a helicopter (which has the entire nose as a 'port.' She said, "Problem is I can see too much!" There are pros and cons to have the port. C----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail tape
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael,yes, ribs, compression struts, leading and trailing edge. the plywood over theleading edge is cedar, and.... that's all. no, the core of the I beans are marineplywood.and I am going to paint all the airplane with latex, in the rudder and stabilizerI put 7 hands of paint with a good brush, excelent, a thick, hard and smoothsurface as I saw when I had to cut the fabric on the stabilizer to change thehorn. I do not know how many years it will work, but... let's see. I have a test piecewith 1, 2, 3, 4...and 6 hands of latex outside at home to see how it degradeover the time (it was outside for two years now and its ok, rain, sun, hot, cold,ice....)--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:38:27 -0800 (PST)
Michael,yes, ribs, compression struts, leading and trailing edge. the plywood over theleading edge is cedar, and.... that's all. no, the core of the I beans are marineplywood.and I am going to paint all the airplane with latex, in the rudder and stabilizerI put 7 hands of paint with a good brush, excelent, a thick, hard and smoothsurface as I saw when I had to cut the fabric on the stabilizer to change thehorn. I do not know how many years it will work, but... let's see. I have a test piecewith 1, 2, 3, 4...and 6 hands of latex outside at home to see how it degradeover the time (it was outside for two years now and its ok, rain, sun, hot, cold,ice....)--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:38:27 -0800 (PST)
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "Barnwell Regional Airport"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location>>> Sorry... I should have continued: if you're using the Bill Rewey setupwith brake masters mounted to the fuselage diagonals and toe pedalsdirectly actuating them, there are some very good pictures of his setup,left and right sides, on westcoastpiet.com . Go to 'photos', Bill Rewey's,and take a look. Scout has that same setup except with extensions weldedonto the smallish pedals in the stock Rewey setup. It's a bit easier formy feet to find the pedals with short extensions on them.>> I found when I replaced the old masters (which were ex-Cessna with theparking brake bits, just like Rewey's) with new Matco masters, the geometryplaced the pedals in just a bit of a diffferent position and I didn't likeit, so I had to relocate the mounting points for the new masters. I didn'twant to drill more holes in the fuselage framing, but it turned out that Icould re-use one of the two existing holes and just make one new one.>> Brake pedal positioning is a very subjective thing and all you'll be ableto get from the rest of us is an approximation. As they say, "your mileagemay vary".>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location>>> Sorry... I should have continued: if you're using the Bill Rewey setupwith brake masters mounted to the fuselage diagonals and toe pedalsdirectly actuating them, there are some very good pictures of his setup,left and right sides, on westcoastpiet.com . Go to 'photos', Bill Rewey's,and take a look. Scout has that same setup except with extensions weldedonto the smallish pedals in the stock Rewey setup. It's a bit easier formy feet to find the pedals with short extensions on them.>> I found when I replaced the old masters (which were ex-Cessna with theparking brake bits, just like Rewey's) with new Matco masters, the geometryplaced the pedals in just a bit of a diffferent position and I didn't likeit, so I had to relocate the mounting points for the new masters. I didn'twant to drill more holes in the fuselage framing, but it turned out that Icould re-use one of the two existing holes and just make one new one.>> Brake pedal positioning is a very subjective thing and all you'll be ableto get from the rest of us is an approximation. As they say, "your mileagemay vary".>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location>>> Hi Skip - I guessed on the geometry and got lucky. it worked well. Iused a different brake system but the ergonomics are similar. I don't havemeasurements but you can get an idea from the picture. This is a view fromthe right side of the front cockpit looking left. You can barely see thetip of the rudder bar. Above that you see the left master cylinder andpedal.>> --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 582#393582>>> Attachments: >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location>>> Hi Skip - I guessed on the geometry and got lucky. it worked well. Iused a different brake system but the ergonomics are similar. I don't havemeasurements but you can get an idea from the picture. This is a view fromthe right side of the front cockpit looking left. You can barely see thetip of the rudder bar. Above that you see the left master cylinder andpedal.>> --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/San Marcos, TX>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 582#393582>>> Attachments: >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/for_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toe brake pedal location
