Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
So today I found out an "entity" on this list has been selling "building advice" videos while all the time building wings without leading edges????Is this true or have I been sold a bill of goods? If it's true how could so many experienced builders allow this to continue????Do I need to shut up? or is this "stuff" being condoned by a lack of reaction on this list?Bob DewenterDayton OH________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
RE: Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Bob,There has long been an undercurrent of discussion regarding an individualwho would sell advice about building an airplane, while never having builtone! The focus of the undercurrent has always been about what the newbiewould take from this, not the experienced builder. Still..The web site that I have visited makes it clear to the reader that these areun-flight tested ideas and methods. If you discard what you object to, thereare still some good ideas. I'm more concerned that you would feel the needto question this list!Do you know if building wings without the solid leading edge is a problem?It wasn't for thousands of T-crafts, Boredom Fighters, etc. In fact, theBoredom Fighter doesn't even have the benefit of plywood.just thin aluminum.I find myself in an odd position of defending the builder's wing, while I sorichly admire Mr. Pietenpol's design. As I am about to start on anotherhandmade airplane, I am redesigning the wing, too, because..I can! It'scalled Experimental Aviation. If you think that a missing solid leading edge is a big deal, you should seewhat others have done to the Pietenpol.Like converting it to a bi-plane, ora low wing! How about increasing the wing span by 4'!! What do you mean by ".allow this to continue.." Are we supposed to policeanother's choice? . to police the idea of free enterprise? Is not the #1 rule of purchasing anything - Buyer Beware!? If you feelswindled, you should take it up with the seller and leave us out of it. Ifyou cannot get your money back, then take what advice you can that will helpyou to build your Pietenpol as you want to. In the larger picture, you havespent a very small amount.Please, keep us posted on your project.send out some pictures of somecompleted parts, no matter how small the item, and put all this behind you!Gary BootheNX308MB
Bob,There has long been an undercurrent of discussion regarding an individualwho would sell advice about building an airplane, while never having builtone! The focus of the undercurrent has always been about what the newbiewould take from this, not the experienced builder. Still..The web site that I have visited makes it clear to the reader that these areun-flight tested ideas and methods. If you discard what you object to, thereare still some good ideas. I'm more concerned that you would feel the needto question this list!Do you know if building wings without the solid leading edge is a problem?It wasn't for thousands of T-crafts, Boredom Fighters, etc. In fact, theBoredom Fighter doesn't even have the benefit of plywood.just thin aluminum.I find myself in an odd position of defending the builder's wing, while I sorichly admire Mr. Pietenpol's design. As I am about to start on anotherhandmade airplane, I am redesigning the wing, too, because..I can! It'scalled Experimental Aviation. If you think that a missing solid leading edge is a big deal, you should seewhat others have done to the Pietenpol.Like converting it to a bi-plane, ora low wing! How about increasing the wing span by 4'!! What do you mean by ".allow this to continue.." Are we supposed to policeanother's choice? . to police the idea of free enterprise? Is not the #1 rule of purchasing anything - Buyer Beware!? If you feelswindled, you should take it up with the seller and leave us out of it. Ifyou cannot get your money back, then take what advice you can that will helpyou to build your Pietenpol as you want to. In the larger picture, you havespent a very small amount.Please, keep us posted on your project.send out some pictures of somecompleted parts, no matter how small the item, and put all this behind you!Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
RE: Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Bob,You are touching on kind of a sore subject. I agree with Gary Boothe'sresponse to you, but I must admit I question why anyone would offer videoson how to build an airplane when they have not completed and flown such anairplane - particularly when said person doesn't even have a pilot'slicense. Not to say the advice sold in those videos is not good. I don'tknow, never having seen them.There is plenty of good advice from builders who have completed and flownPietenpols out there. Whenever I have conducted Pietenpol forums atBrodhead and Oshkosh I have always listed Mike Cuy's video and the oneproduced by Chuck Gantzer. Both are full of good information, and both haveflown their Pietenpols to Brodhead a number of times.This list continues to be a good source of information. You just sort ofhave to wade through it to figure out what information you want to use.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Bob,You are touching on kind of a sore subject. I agree with Gary Boothe'sresponse to you, but I must admit I question why anyone would offer videoson how to build an airplane when they have not completed and flown such anairplane - particularly when said person doesn't even have a pilot'slicense. Not to say the advice sold in those videos is not good. I don'tknow, never having seen them.There is plenty of good advice from builders who have completed and flownPietenpols out there. Whenever I have conducted Pietenpol forums atBrodhead and Oshkosh I have always listed Mike Cuy's video and the oneproduced by Chuck Gantzer. Both are full of good information, and both haveflown their Pietenpols to Brodhead a number of times.This list continues to be a good source of information. You just sort ofhave to wade through it to figure out what information you want to use.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
RE: Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I have not made a public announcement; nor am I likely to. Some people getvery testy when you start changing things.Gary BootheNX308MB
I have not made a public announcement; nor am I likely to. Some people getvery testy when you start changing things.Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
To Gary and all the others who replied promptly to my question, thanks you.>From the rapid and high quality responses, it is apparent there are numerouspeople paying very close attention indeed. Most of the list readers willrecall a thread regarding the concern over Chuck Campbell's' wing sparmaterial. Someone (perhaps it was several) indeed spoke up on this list andit might have prevented a serious incident or accident. It was those peoplewho knew right from wrong and spoke up - that makes me very happy to knowthis list is "high quality". I am working on a thesis on aircraft accidents in experimental aviation.Sadly I'm finding numerous examples of a "small" latent defects in theplane's construction that started a chain of conditions that led to anaccident. And in all cases if someone (supervision) had caught the defect,the accident would never have occurred.I'm happy to find this list has numerous examples of people willing to speakup. It might just save someone's life.Bob DewenterDayton OH________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
To Gary and all the others who replied promptly to my question, thanks you.>From the rapid and high quality responses, it is apparent there are numerouspeople paying very close attention indeed. Most of the list readers willrecall a thread regarding the concern over Chuck Campbell's' wing sparmaterial. Someone (perhaps it was several) indeed spoke up on this list andit might have prevented a serious incident or accident. It was those peoplewho knew right from wrong and spoke up - that makes me very happy to knowthis list is "high quality". I am working on a thesis on aircraft accidents in experimental aviation.Sadly I'm finding numerous examples of a "small" latent defects in theplane's construction that started a chain of conditions that led to anaccident. And in all cases if someone (supervision) had caught the defect,the accident would never have occurred.I'm happy to find this list has numerous examples of people willing to speakup. It might just save someone's life.Bob DewenterDayton OH________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Hi Paul - The statement "has only built one more plane than you" is pretty significant.Given that very few plans-built projects are finished by the peoplewho start them, finishing one is a big deal. Additionally, if the person whobuilds it actually flies it (a lot, hopefully) they gain valuable insight on boththe design and their own building techniques. They know what works. A builderwho has built and flown a Piet will have a stronger sense of "what rightlooks like." Having said all that, now I'm going to agree with you. As I build my second PietenpolI spend lots of time on West Coast Piet (blessings on the head of thesainted Chris Tracy) gathering ideas from talented builders who haven't finishedtheir planes yet. However, as I look, I now have a much better idea of whatmethods are likely to succeed. I spend most of my time looking at picturesfrom Gary Boothe, Jim Markle and Chris Tracy. Gary has flown, Jim & Chris havenot.There are a lot of good ideas out there. They're even better if they've been tested.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Hi Paul - The statement "has only built one more plane than you" is pretty significant.Given that very few plans-built projects are finished by the peoplewho start them, finishing one is a big deal. Additionally, if the person whobuilds it actually flies it (a lot, hopefully) they gain valuable insight on boththe design and their own building techniques. They know what works. A builderwho has built and flown a Piet will have a stronger sense of "what rightlooks like." Having said all that, now I'm going to agree with you. As I build my second PietenpolI spend lots of time on West Coast Piet (blessings on the head of thesainted Chris Tracy) gathering ideas from talented builders who haven't finishedtheir planes yet. However, as I look, I now have a much better idea of whatmethods are likely to succeed. I spend most of my time looking at picturesfrom Gary Boothe, Jim Markle and Chris Tracy. Gary has flown, Jim & Chris havenot.There are a lot of good ideas out there. They're even better if they've been tested.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Paul,While you are correct in saying that we can learn from builders who have not completedtheir plane yet, care must be taken to ensure that any changes being madeare safe, and based on sound principles. Sometimes, builders will make designchanges that are structural in nature, yet no calculations have been doneto ensure that the integrity of the design has not been compromised. Or, sometimesbuilders copy features from different aircraft designs, without scientificallydetermining whether the feature is suitable for this aircraft. To blindlycopy somebody else's unproven changes can be risky. You state that "we knowthat the Piet will fly". This is true, provided the plane is built per theplans. If significant changes are made to the design, perhaps the plane willnot fly, or worse, it will fly, but not safely. On the other hand, many "changes"made by builders are simply related to building techniques and methods,or refer to parts that are not structural. The short story is that any changesa builder makes really need to be analyzed to ensure the safety of the change.If a builder isn't qualified to determine that on their own (through educationand/or experience), then they should seek the advice of someone who is beforeproceeding with the change.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Paul,While you are correct in saying that we can learn from builders who have not completedtheir plane yet, care must be taken to ensure that any changes being madeare safe, and based on sound principles. Sometimes, builders will make designchanges that are structural in nature, yet no calculations have been doneto ensure that the integrity of the design has not been compromised. Or, sometimesbuilders copy features from different aircraft designs, without scientificallydetermining whether the feature is suitable for this aircraft. To blindlycopy somebody else's unproven changes can be risky. You state that "we knowthat the Piet will fly". This is true, provided the plane is built per theplans. If significant changes are made to the design, perhaps the plane willnot fly, or worse, it will fly, but not safely. On the other hand, many "changes"made by builders are simply related to building techniques and methods,or refer to parts that are not structural. The short story is that any changesa builder makes really need to be analyzed to ensure the safety of the change.If a builder isn't qualified to determine that on their own (through educationand/or experience), then they should seek the advice of someone who is beforeproceeding with the change.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
The "method" used by builder in the videos is very similar to the methodthat was used on my 1946 Taylorcraft, just like Gary mentioned. Theplywood and epoxy used in the videos is equal to... if not stronger thanthe thin sheet metal and screws that has held the leading edge on myT-craft for the last 60+ years. I have seen many of the videosmentioned and also agree with Gary in the fact that a builder can gleanmany ideas from other builders whether their plane is flying or not. Ihave been to Brodhead and like many other builders have take manypictures, thinking I want to add this idea or that to my Piet. The moreplanes I see, the more ideas that are shared, the more photos I save,will help me build my own personalized Piet. I have no doubt that theplane in the video will fly in the near future and the builder will beable to add the notation of "Flight tested" to the videos. I just wishI was as far along in my build as the builder in the videos.BrianSLC-UT
The "method" used by builder in the videos is very similar to the methodthat was used on my 1946 Taylorcraft, just like Gary mentioned. Theplywood and epoxy used in the videos is equal to... if not stronger thanthe thin sheet metal and screws that has held the leading edge on myT-craft for the last 60+ years. I have seen many of the videosmentioned and also agree with Gary in the fact that a builder can gleanmany ideas from other builders whether their plane is flying or not. Ihave been to Brodhead and like many other builders have take manypictures, thinking I want to add this idea or that to my Piet. The moreplanes I see, the more ideas that are shared, the more photos I save,will help me build my own personalized Piet. I have no doubt that theplane in the video will fly in the near future and the builder will beable to add the notation of "Flight tested" to the videos. I just wishI was as far along in my build as the builder in the videos.BrianSLC-UT
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Holy buckets, all this to do because Mike is using a C tube leading edge? Evernotice Larry Williams used stub ribs instead? Ever notice John Denver went in the clink because his plane was modified from theplans to the point where a fuel valve was moved to a different location (toaccommodate the builder, but didn't work so well for him)? Who would have caughtthat in a venue such as this?E V E R Y T H I N G in this game is buyer be ware. "All" or "never" just reallyhave no place, the only correct answer being "it depends..."Did you learn how to bend miserable thin plywood? Seems useful no matter whatkind of leading edge you want.GREAT documentation is a godsend, good or bad (of course, good or bad being relative,because - you guessed it - it depends), period. Documentation and communicationare the real assets of this board, not the content per se. If writerswould only caveat everything, IMHO... or readers would understand, it's onlyan opinion NO MATTER WHAT is claimed, we could eliminate a lot of consternation.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Holy buckets, all this to do because Mike is using a C tube leading edge? Evernotice Larry Williams used stub ribs instead? Ever notice John Denver went in the clink because his plane was modified from theplans to the point where a fuel valve was moved to a different location (toaccommodate the builder, but didn't work so well for him)? Who would have caughtthat in a venue such as this?E V E R Y T H I N G in this game is buyer be ware. "All" or "never" just reallyhave no place, the only correct answer being "it depends..."Did you learn how to bend miserable thin plywood? Seems useful no matter whatkind of leading edge you want.GREAT documentation is a godsend, good or bad (of course, good or bad being relative,because - you guessed it - it depends), period. Documentation and communicationare the real assets of this board, not the content per se. If writerswould only caveat everything, IMHO... or readers would understand, it's onlyan opinion NO MATTER WHAT is claimed, we could eliminate a lot of consternation.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Wing Complete (weight) and C.S. Complete (Weight)
Original Posted By: "Jack"
Okay, I finally got to weigh one of my wings (the one without the pitot)- 57.5lbs on the bathroom scales. Solid 3/4" Douglas fir spars, 3/32" aileron controlcables and 1/8" drag/anti-drag X-wires inside the wing, Poly-Fiber system,sprayed on Poly-Tone.You guys with 45 lb. wings are on the right track! Scout is not a heavyweightat all (633 lbs. with 3 quarts of oil in the engine), but it goes to show thatthey can be built quite light. I could dispense with the venturi, tubing, andturn/bank instrument and some other items and pare off pounds.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Okay, I finally got to weigh one of my wings (the one without the pitot)- 57.5lbs on the bathroom scales. Solid 3/4" Douglas fir spars, 3/32" aileron controlcables and 1/8" drag/anti-drag X-wires inside the wing, Poly-Fiber system,sprayed on Poly-Tone.You guys with 45 lb. wings are on the right track! Scout is not a heavyweightat all (633 lbs. with 3 quarts of oil in the engine), but it goes to show thatthey can be built quite light. I could dispense with the venturi, tubing, andturn/bank instrument and some other items and pare off pounds.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail tape
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
After looking at numerous pictures (thanks) it looks like most used 1 1/2"tape to cover the rib stitching on the vertical stabilizer. 1=94 taped wouldallow =BC=94 overhang on each side. Any reason not to use 1=94 tape? Starting toenjoy covering!Thanks,JackJack TextorDes Moines, IA________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail tape
After looking at numerous pictures (thanks) it looks like most used 1 1/2"tape to cover the rib stitching on the vertical stabilizer. 1=94 taped wouldallow =BC=94 overhang on each side. Any reason not to use 1=94 tape? Starting toenjoy covering!Thanks,JackJack TextorDes Moines, IA________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail tape
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
1" is too narrow. 2" is the norm. GeneOn Feb 5, 2013, at 8:03 PM, "Jack" wrote:> After looking at numerous pictures (thanks) it looks like most used 1 1/2" tape to cover the rib stitching on the vertical stabilizer. 1=9D taped would allow =C2=BC=9D overhang on each side. Any reason not to use 1=9D tape? Starting to enjoy covering!> > Thanks,> > Jack> > Jack Textor> > Des Moines, IA> > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
1" is too narrow. 2" is the norm. GeneOn Feb 5, 2013, at 8:03 PM, "Jack" wrote:> After looking at numerous pictures (thanks) it looks like most used 1 1/2" tape to cover the rib stitching on the vertical stabilizer. 1=9D taped would allow =C2=BC=9D overhang on each side. Any reason not to use 1=9D tape? Starting to enjoy covering!> > Thanks,> > Jack> > Jack Textor> > Des Moines, IA> > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail tape
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I used 2=9D. Those stitches stand up a bit, and you need plenty of =98purchase=99 on the surrounding sides to get the tape to stay down.Gary BootheNX308MB
I used 2=9D. Those stitches stand up a bit, and you need plenty of =98purchase=99 on the surrounding sides to get the tape to stay down.Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: Jack
Michael,It depends on the system being used. 2" is the standard for Poly Fiber or Dopesystems. In these systems the tapes are not glued on. They are "doped" on.A good system but as the coats are sprayed on and the coats gas off the tapewill tend to "tent" over the stitch. A 1 1/2" tape is not wide enough for thosesystems. If a person uses the narrower width he will most likely have a lotof heartache during the later build up coats. Experience.... :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Michael,It depends on the system being used. 2" is the standard for Poly Fiber or Dopesystems. In these systems the tapes are not glued on. They are "doped" on.A good system but as the coats are sprayed on and the coats gas off the tapewill tend to "tent" over the stitch. A 1 1/2" tape is not wide enough for thosesystems. If a person uses the narrower width he will most likely have a lotof heartache during the later build up coats. Experience.... :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Don are you saying the 1 1/2" is ok with Stewart-water systems?Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:> > Michael,> > It depends on the system being used. 2" is the standard for Poly Fiber or Dopesystems. In these systems the tapes are not glued on. They are "doped" on.A good system but as the coats are sprayed on and the coats gas off the tapewill tend to "tent" over the stitch. A 1 1/2" tape is not wide enough for thosesystems. If a person uses the narrower width he will most likely have alot of heartache during the later build up coats. Experience....
> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 716#393716> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Don are you saying the 1 1/2" is ok with Stewart-water systems?Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:> > Michael,> > It depends on the system being used. 2" is the standard for Poly Fiber or Dopesystems. In these systems the tapes are not glued on. They are "doped" on.A good system but as the coats are sprayed on and the coats gas off the tapewill tend to "tent" over the stitch. A 1 1/2" tape is not wide enough for thosesystems. If a person uses the narrower width he will most likely have alot of heartache during the later build up coats. Experience....
> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 716#393716> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tapeRe: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: Jack
Jack,I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to make ageneral statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tapeit is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrowtape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standardout there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick tostandards in the airplane business.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Jack,I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to make ageneral statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tapeit is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrowtape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standardout there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick tostandards in the airplane business.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Oh crap Don no bed sheets and varnish...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:> > Jack,> > I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to makea general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tapeit is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrowtape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standardout there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick tostandards in the airplane business.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 718#393718> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:42:44 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Oh crap Don no bed sheets and varnish...Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:> > Jack,> > I don't know about Stewarts. I don't have any experience with it. But to makea general statement that as long as it covers the stitching and reinforcing tapeit is "okay", is not really true, because it depends on the system. That narrowtape is not good for the systems that "dope" the tapes on. 2" is the standardout there. Might as well just make them 2". Not a bad thing to stick tostandards in the airplane business.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 718#393718> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:42:44 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulkmaterial and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You canalways cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Jack,In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulkmaterial and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You canalways cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: Jack
I guess a genius like Mr. Pietenpol didn't always need standards! :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
I guess a genius like Mr. Pietenpol didn't always need standards! :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yea for sure Gary! Ken I missed that in the manual, better check againSent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 6, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Jack,> > In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulk> material and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You can> always cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone...> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Yea for sure Gary! Ken I missed that in the manual, better check againSent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 6, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Jack,> > In the spirit of being helpful, why not cut some 1 1/2" tapes from your bulk> material and work on the bottom of the H. Stab. See what happens. You can> always cover over with 2" if necessary, and I promise not to tell anyone...> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail tape
Original Posted By: JOSEPH SWITHIN
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Agreed.
Agreed.
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
Hey Folks. My name is Randy Cary and I am new to the site as of Jan 26 of thisyear. I have been to Lewisburg NC to see Chuck's project and he told me he thoughtthat there were several builders in central NC, near my home and work. Ifanyone knows of these folks, or they are reading, how about a little informationas to how I could contact you. I have the bug and want to do my homework.I enjoy reading the posts daily and am learning a lot! Thanks for the help!RandyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:03:50 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Hey Folks. My name is Randy Cary and I am new to the site as of Jan 26 of thisyear. I have been to Lewisburg NC to see Chuck's project and he told me he thoughtthat there were several builders in central NC, near my home and work. Ifanyone knows of these folks, or they are reading, how about a little informationas to how I could contact you. I have the bug and want to do my homework.I enjoy reading the posts daily and am learning a lot! Thanks for the help!RandyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:03:50 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Hey, Michael! If you (or anyone) looks over my project -- I won't call it an airplane yet -- they will see a lot of Michael Perez in it (except for the scallops). Personnally, I thank you for your videos. I think I have the first four. (I still don't like the scallops!) Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Hey, Michael! If you (or anyone) looks over my project -- I won't call it an airplane yet -- they will see a lot of Michael Perez in it (except for the scallops). Personnally, I thank you for your videos. I think I have the first four. (I still don't like the scallops!) Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: C N Campbell
Scallops? NOW you have gone TOO far!!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Scallops? NOW you have gone TOO far!!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are we doing!!!
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael, I'm not as far along as I should be. My wife has had a lot of sickness and I have been neglecting the Piet more than I would have liked. The wing panels are complete except for the rib bracing and the pitot tube installation. The tail pieces are complete. (This is all uncovered!!!) The fuselage is getting there. I have installed the rudder PEDALS (I cannot immagine a rudder bar. I have never even seen an airplane with one -- much less tried to fly one.) Along with the pedals I have installed the toe-operated brake master cylinders. Incidentally, I am not putting controls in the front seat. I have heard of too many instances of interference from un-knowing passengers, one, that I know of, causing the airplane to crash. I don't think I will have other pilots in the front that much. If they are there they will have to be content to just ride. The fuselage is perhaps 3/4 finished. I still have to build the landing gear. I have the wheels with axels and brakes but they are not installed. Also, I have to have my welder make my engine mount. I have the material but no jig built as yet. Maybe I can fly before the end of the summer. I'm not concerned about the covering and painting. Been down that road with a Piper Pacer I rebuilt in the '80's. We'll see. Love to see some pictures of your project. Gotta go, Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Michael, I'm not as far along as I should be. My wife has had a lot of sickness and I have been neglecting the Piet more than I would have liked. The wing panels are complete except for the rib bracing and the pitot tube installation. The tail pieces are complete. (This is all uncovered!!!) The fuselage is getting there. I have installed the rudder PEDALS (I cannot immagine a rudder bar. I have never even seen an airplane with one -- much less tried to fly one.) Along with the pedals I have installed the toe-operated brake master cylinders. Incidentally, I am not putting controls in the front seat. I have heard of too many instances of interference from un-knowing passengers, one, that I know of, causing the airplane to crash. I don't think I will have other pilots in the front that much. If they are there they will have to be content to just ride. The fuselage is perhaps 3/4 finished. I still have to build the landing gear. I have the wheels with axels and brakes but they are not installed. Also, I have to have my welder make my engine mount. I have the material but no jig built as yet. Maybe I can fly before the end of the summer. I'm not concerned about the covering and painting. Been down that road with a Piper Pacer I rebuilt in the '80's. We'll see. Love to see some pictures of your project. Gotta go, Chuck ----- Original Message -----