Pietenpol-List: Powder coating - My 02 cents
Pietenpol-List: Powder coating - My 02 cents
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
On Powder coating.I have done powder coating for numerous parts on my Pietenpol and Corvairengine using the Eastwood gun (about $100) and is it a good little unit.Check out the video on Eastwood.com - very informative about the wholeprocess.My experience is that a powder coat layer "mill thickness" will be the sameOR LESS than as a spray on paint layer so crack detection is more colorrelated than powder vs. liquid paint.Some tips:-It is impossible to put a "thick coat" of powder on a part in one pass.The process is very much self leveling. If you try to put too much powderon the part, the excess "blows off" the part. Multiple coats could build upthe film thickness (such as a clear coat over a color coat). Done correctlyonly a single color application is needed.-Positive ventilation / filtered airflow is desired. The powder gun onlyuses a few PSI, but the powder is so light is floats everywhere, in alldirections. -I find using two (or more) pieces of wire to attach to a part to theNEGative side is better than just one - the negative field sets better withmultiple "wire" contact points rather than just a single. Luckily mostfitting have holes at each end so this is easy to do.- Parts like a cylinder will take a lot longer to "flow out" because theyare a huge heat sink. Small items will "flow out" in about 5 minutes.- For the long tube type pieces I will use the "electric hot stove and stovepipe" oven I saw posted on this list - was that submitted by Jack Textor?- I did not want to use a "kitchen oven" due to need for 220V in my garagewhich I don't have so I purchased a HUGE toaster oven. It's a HamiltonBeach unit for about $69 at Meijer's. The rough interior dimension are 12"w x 12" d by 7" tall. I was able to bake 4 Corvair cylinders at one time.I also powder coated the engine flywheel! Of course the numerous smallmetal parts can hang from the "racks" using some safety wire. I can fit 20or so small metal fittings at one time I like this setup very much. It's a lot of fun to watch a part go from a dull grey powder finish tosuper glossy "Kentucky Chrome" as the paint "flows out". Email me off list if you want some pictures. Robert.dewenter(at)woh.rr.comBob DewenterDayton OH________________________________________________________________________________
On Powder coating.I have done powder coating for numerous parts on my Pietenpol and Corvairengine using the Eastwood gun (about $100) and is it a good little unit.Check out the video on Eastwood.com - very informative about the wholeprocess.My experience is that a powder coat layer "mill thickness" will be the sameOR LESS than as a spray on paint layer so crack detection is more colorrelated than powder vs. liquid paint.Some tips:-It is impossible to put a "thick coat" of powder on a part in one pass.The process is very much self leveling. If you try to put too much powderon the part, the excess "blows off" the part. Multiple coats could build upthe film thickness (such as a clear coat over a color coat). Done correctlyonly a single color application is needed.-Positive ventilation / filtered airflow is desired. The powder gun onlyuses a few PSI, but the powder is so light is floats everywhere, in alldirections. -I find using two (or more) pieces of wire to attach to a part to theNEGative side is better than just one - the negative field sets better withmultiple "wire" contact points rather than just a single. Luckily mostfitting have holes at each end so this is easy to do.- Parts like a cylinder will take a lot longer to "flow out" because theyare a huge heat sink. Small items will "flow out" in about 5 minutes.- For the long tube type pieces I will use the "electric hot stove and stovepipe" oven I saw posted on this list - was that submitted by Jack Textor?- I did not want to use a "kitchen oven" due to need for 220V in my garagewhich I don't have so I purchased a HUGE toaster oven. It's a HamiltonBeach unit for about $69 at Meijer's. The rough interior dimension are 12"w x 12" d by 7" tall. I was able to bake 4 Corvair cylinders at one time.I also powder coated the engine flywheel! Of course the numerous smallmetal parts can hang from the "racks" using some safety wire. I can fit 20or so small metal fittings at one time I like this setup very much. It's a lot of fun to watch a part go from a dull grey powder finish tosuper glossy "Kentucky Chrome" as the paint "flows out". Email me off list if you want some pictures. Robert.dewenter(at)woh.rr.comBob DewenterDayton OH________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Powder coating - My 02 cents
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to removeTwo points:1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated youdon't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers to prime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:Guys=94just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead and sand blasting I couldn=99t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower. And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=99t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I mustsay the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. Mike C. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powder coating - My 02 cents
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to removeTwo points:1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated youdon't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers to prime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:Guys=94just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead and sand blasting I couldn=99t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower. And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=99t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I mustsay the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. Mike C. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powder coating - My 02 cents
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Bob,Please post pictures, or a link to pictures, for us. I would like to see what youhave done as well.Thanks in advance.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Bob,Please post pictures, or a link to pictures, for us. I would like to see what youhave done as well.Thanks in advance.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Original Posted By: Jack
This is the experience I have had with powder coated parts as well. Nearly impossible to repair. We tried to repair a powder coated engine mount on a Champ restoration last year. Ended up having to replace the mount.The effect of the broken mount was covered in the aviation Bible, "The Great Waldo Pepper."Quote: "An elevator trimtab you operate from inside the cockpit."Remember all of life's questions can be answered once you surrender yourself to TGWP.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Feb 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote:> Two points:> > 1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated you don't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers to prime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.> 2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.> > Chrissi & Randi> > www.CozyGirrrl.com> ClickBonds 10/$7.50> CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop> > In a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:> Guys=97just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead> > and sand blasting I couldn=92t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to> > make a clean weld because the part was powder coated.> > > > Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever> > fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower.> > > > And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=92t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job> > of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated> > parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it.> > > > Mike C.> > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// ... ntribution> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
This is the experience I have had with powder coated parts as well. Nearly impossible to repair. We tried to repair a powder coated engine mount on a Champ restoration last year. Ended up having to replace the mount.The effect of the broken mount was covered in the aviation Bible, "The Great Waldo Pepper."Quote: "An elevator trimtab you operate from inside the cockpit."Remember all of life's questions can be answered once you surrender yourself to TGWP.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Feb 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote:> Two points:> > 1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated you don't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers to prime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.> 2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.> > Chrissi & Randi> > www.CozyGirrrl.com> ClickBonds 10/$7.50> CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop> > In a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:> Guys=97just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead> > and sand blasting I couldn=92t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to> > make a clean weld because the part was powder coated.> > > > Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever> > fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower.> > > > And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=92t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job> > of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated> > parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it.> > > > Mike C.> > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// ... ntribution> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Just a couple more thoughts on powder. It can be put on too thick in one coat, I've done it and was unhappy with it. So three coats of paint remover later the parts were ready to recoat.Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 27, 2013, at 1:21 PM, John Hofmann wrote:> This is the experience I have had with powder coated parts as well. Nearly impossible to repair. We tried to repair a powder coated engine mount on a Champ restoration last year. Ended up having to replace the mount.> > The effect of the broken mount was covered in the aviation Bible, "The Great Waldo Pepper."> > Quote: "An elevator trimtab you operate from inside the cockpit."> > Remember all of life's questions can be answered once you surrender yourself to TGWP.> > > John Hofmann> Vice-President, Information Technology> The Rees Group, Inc.> 2424 American Lane> Madison, WI 53704> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150> Fax: 608.443.2474> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote:> >> Two points:>> >> 1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated you don't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers to prime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.>> 2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.>> >> Chrissi & Randi>> >> www.CozyGirrrl.com>> ClickBonds 10/$7.50>> CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware>> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop>> >> In a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:>> Guys=94just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead>> >> and sand blasting I couldn=99t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to>> >> make a clean weld because the part was powder coated.>> >> >> >> Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever>> >> fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower.>> >> >> >> And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=99t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job>> >> of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated>> >> parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it.>> >> >> >> Mike C.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// ... ntribution>> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://fo ... ronics.com>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution>> > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Just a couple more thoughts on powder. It can be put on too thick in one coat, I've done it and was unhappy with it. So three coats of paint remover later the parts were ready to recoat.Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 27, 2013, at 1:21 PM, John Hofmann wrote:> This is the experience I have had with powder coated parts as well. Nearly impossible to repair. We tried to repair a powder coated engine mount on a Champ restoration last year. Ended up having to replace the mount.> > The effect of the broken mount was covered in the aviation Bible, "The Great Waldo Pepper."> > Quote: "An elevator trimtab you operate from inside the cockpit."> > Remember all of life's questions can be answered once you surrender yourself to TGWP.> > > John Hofmann> Vice-President, Information Technology> The Rees Group, Inc.> 2424 American Lane> Madison, WI 53704> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150> Fax: 608.443.2474> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com wrote:> >> Two points:>> >> 1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated you don't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers to prime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.>> 2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.>> >> Chrissi & Randi>> >> www.CozyGirrrl.com>> ClickBonds 10/$7.50>> CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware>> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop>> >> In a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:>> Guys=94just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead>> >> and sand blasting I couldn=99t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to>> >> make a clean weld because the part was powder coated.>> >> >> >> Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever>> >> fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower.>> >> >> >> And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=99t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job>> >> of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I must say the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated>> >> parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it.>> >> >> >> Mike C.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// ... ntribution>> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://fo ... ronics.com>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution>> > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to removeYes people do these things, even manufacturers do these things, award winning builders do these things.This is a lot like anodizing aluminum pushrods or other flight critical parts "Gee it sure is pretty and very light weight and really does a nice job of protecting the metal" -Like the article in Sport Aviation said - Don'tdo it.Same thing with powder coat, I love the ease of application, we own the equipment and materials to do it, we love the quality of finish; it sure makes parts look beautiful. I might do it for a non flight critical part or a display part but not a flying part. Think of it as putting opaque white shrink wrap on your engine mount, at what point might you see a crack? Who are they going to blame the failure that nobody saw coming on? Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 2/27/2013 1:21:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com writes:This is the experience I have had with powder coated parts as well. Nearlyimpossible to repair. We tried to repair a powder coated engine mount on aChamp restoration last year. Ended up having to replace the mount. The effect of the broken mount was covered in the aviation Bible, "The Great Waldo Pepper."Quote: "An elevator trimtab you operate from inside the cockpit."Remember all of life's questions can be answered once you surrender yourself to TGWP.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: _jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) wrote:Two points:1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated youdon't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers toprime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, _michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov_ (mailto:michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov) writes:Guys=94just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead and sand blasting I couldn=99t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower. And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=99t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I mustsay the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. Mike C. href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) _s.matronics.com/_ (http://s.matronics.com/) ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) _p://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (file:///p://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: powder coating is almost impossible to removeYes people do these things, even manufacturers do these things, award winning builders do these things.This is a lot like anodizing aluminum pushrods or other flight critical parts "Gee it sure is pretty and very light weight and really does a nice job of protecting the metal" -Like the article in Sport Aviation said - Don'tdo it.Same thing with powder coat, I love the ease of application, we own the equipment and materials to do it, we love the quality of finish; it sure makes parts look beautiful. I might do it for a non flight critical part or a display part but not a flying part. Think of it as putting opaque white shrink wrap on your engine mount, at what point might you see a crack? Who are they going to blame the failure that nobody saw coming on? Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 2/27/2013 1:21:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com writes:This is the experience I have had with powder coated parts as well. Nearlyimpossible to repair. We tried to repair a powder coated engine mount on aChamp restoration last year. Ended up having to replace the mount. The effect of the broken mount was covered in the aviation Bible, "The Great Waldo Pepper."Quote: "An elevator trimtab you operate from inside the cockpit."Remember all of life's questions can be answered once you surrender yourself to TGWP.John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: _jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, _CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com_ (mailto:CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) wrote:Two points:1. we see a lot of old engine mounts, the ones that were powder coated youdon't see a crack coming until it fully fails. We advise our customers toprime lightly and paint lightly with a high gloss "refrigerator white" paint and allow it to fully dry.2. we would not entertain modifying or repairing any part that had been powder coated.Chrissi & Randi_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50CG Products, Custom Aircraft HardwareChairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine WorkshopIn a message dated 2/27/2013 12:01:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, _michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov_ (mailto:michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov) writes:Guys=94just a quick note. I tried to repair a riding tractor part (cracked part) by TIG welding but after bead and sand blasting I couldn=99t touch the surfaces that needed to be cleaned hardly at all to get the paint off to make a clean weld because the part was powder coated. Just passing along what I found. Hopefully none of our Piet parts (painted with spray or powder coated) will ever fail or need to be repaired but that was my experience with my riding mower. And truthfully after 15 years of flying my Piet there isn=99t one part that I wish I powder coated. I just did a very good job of bead blasting, priming, and then painting conventionally. I mustsay the finish is pretty nice on those powder coated parts though but it just never appealed to me enough to do it. Mike C. href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) _s.matronics.com/_ (http://s.matronics.com/) ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) _p://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (file:///p://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Pietenpol-List: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
I, too, have had zero luck sand or bead blasting powder coat. However, found thatpaint stripper took it off effortlessly.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
I, too, have had zero luck sand or bead blasting powder coat. However, found thatpaint stripper took it off effortlessly.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: powder coating is almost impossible to remove
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
In my experience it comes off real easy. Just spray on some Permatex 80646 GasketRemover and wait 10 to 20 min for it to soften the powder coat. Then removethe soft powder coat with a wire brush and a plastic scraper. Reapply on stubbornspots.--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
In my experience it comes off real easy. Just spray on some Permatex 80646 GasketRemover and wait 10 to 20 min for it to soften the powder coat. Then removethe soft powder coat with a wire brush and a plastic scraper. Reapply on stubbornspots.--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
>>>>> Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: corvair eyebrows
Original Posted By:>>>>>> TOM STINEMETZE >>>> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: corvair eyebrows>>>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whoops, my bad. A Corvair normally turns clockwise when viewed from>>>>>> the>>>>>> front.>>>>>>>>>>>> Stinemetze>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" >>>>>>>> NGB">>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which way does a crank snapper rotate?>>>>>>>>>>>> Normally a plane in climb with a real engine (I am a contenental>>>>>> snob.)>>>>>> climbs with the prop pushing more air in the right side than the left>>>>>> due>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the relative angle of the blade to the wind. Resulting in cooler>>>>>> temps>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the right side.>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Skies,>>>>>> Steve D>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> RE: Pietenpol-List: corvair eyebrows
Original Posted By: Max Hegler
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: corvair eyebrows>>>>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Barry and Rick:>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I recall reading a post by William Wynne where he discusses the>>>>>> > advantages of having the two eyebrow areas interconnected for more>>>>>> > balanced>>>>>> > cooling. I don't remember all of his reasoning but it included>>>>>> > the cooling difference per inlet in a climb attitude caused by the>>>>>> > reduced pitch of the upward moving blade compared to the increased>>>>>> > pitch of the downward moving blade. As a consequence, the hottest>>>>>> > side of the Corvair engine in the highest power regime (climb) is>>>>>> > the right cylinder bank which is where detonation normally occurs>>>>>> > first. He suggested, at the very least, connecting the two sides>>>>>> > via a scat tube to allow the higher pressure side to help cool the>>>>>> > lower pressure side.>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Has anybody on the list tried this?>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Tom Stinemetze>>>>>> > N328X>>>>>> > McPherson, KS.>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: corvair eyebrows>>>>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Barry and Rick:>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I recall reading a post by William Wynne where he discusses the>>>>>> > advantages of having the two eyebrow areas interconnected for more>>>>>> > balanced>>>>>> > cooling. I don't remember all of his reasoning but it included>>>>>> > the cooling difference per inlet in a climb attitude caused by the>>>>>> > reduced pitch of the upward moving blade compared to the increased>>>>>> > pitch of the downward moving blade. As a consequence, the hottest>>>>>> > side of the Corvair engine in the highest power regime (climb) is>>>>>> > the right cylinder bank which is where detonation normally occurs>>>>>> > first. He suggested, at the very least, connecting the two sides>>>>>> > via a scat tube to allow the higher pressure side to help cool the>>>>>> > lower pressure side.>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Has anybody on the list tried this?>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Tom Stinemetze>>>>>> > N328X>>>>>> > McPherson, KS.>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________