Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
When my parents lived across the street from us I used to go help him in the yardon Saturdays. His neighbor always seemed to come over and wanted to talk, everyjob took twice as long. One day we put him on the other end of a crosscutsaw cutting a 3 foot diameter oak tree up and we turned around and he was gone!Moral of the story, give them a dirty job and they will not stay too long.If they keep working offer to buy lunch, you have some good help.--------Building steel fuselage aircamper.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar rats
Pietenpol-List: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put Curt Merdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a mechanic as a pilot!Gary BootheNX308MBSent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________
Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put Curt Merdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a mechanic as a pilot!Gary BootheNX308MBSent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Gary,I flew by your hangar, at least I think it was your (2 or 3 in from the end onthe very southwest row of hangars?), and no one was there. I did not make itthere till shortly after noon, I spent too much time in Oroville. You must haveleft for lunch. Guess I will have to catch up with you later...we keep trying!Ray KrauseSkyScoutSent from my iPadOn Mar 30, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put CurtMerdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a mechanicas a pilot!> > > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> Sent from my iPhone> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Gary,I flew by your hangar, at least I think it was your (2 or 3 in from the end onthe very southwest row of hangars?), and no one was there. I did not make itthere till shortly after noon, I spent too much time in Oroville. You must haveleft for lunch. Guess I will have to catch up with you later...we keep trying!Ray KrauseSkyScoutSent from my iPadOn Mar 30, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put CurtMerdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a mechanicas a pilot!> > > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> Sent from my iPhone> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yes....then took Curt back to SFC...sorry we missed you!!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Yes....then took Curt back to SFC...sorry we missed you!!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Your ALT belt looks a little loose.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Your ALT belt looks a little loose.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Dang mechanics!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 31, 2013, at 6:37 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:> > Your ALT belt looks a little loose.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 406#397406> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Dang mechanics!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 31, 2013, at 6:37 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:> > Your ALT belt looks a little loose.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 406#397406> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scale test
Original Posted By: "bender"
Gary; another question, just looking at the twin hoses running aft from the portside valve cover. The typical oil separator setup has a fitting coming offthe top of the valve cover, going to the separator, then returning oil to thevalve cover. I take it that's where those hoses are leading to, is an oil separatoron the firewall? So, how does your setup work? Is there a breather tubeexiting the bottom of the cowling from the separator?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scale test
Gary; another question, just looking at the twin hoses running aft from the portside valve cover. The typical oil separator setup has a fitting coming offthe top of the valve cover, going to the separator, then returning oil to thevalve cover. I take it that's where those hoses are leading to, is an oil separatoron the firewall? So, how does your setup work? Is there a breather tubeexiting the bottom of the cowling from the separator?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scale test
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
its interesting to see what length and pitch do to static thrust..my 76-42 1750 and 275 lbsDan.. had 76-44 i think and 265 lbsand Don 74-42 1810 305 lbsa couple inches of pitch or length really changes the thrustof course there are more variables but interestingjeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
its interesting to see what length and pitch do to static thrust..my 76-42 1750 and 275 lbsDan.. had 76-44 i think and 265 lbsand Don 74-42 1810 305 lbsa couple inches of pitch or length really changes the thrustof course there are more variables but interestingjeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar,How timely!!! My system is set to exit the top hose, enter a Cessna styleair/oil separator, return via the bottom hose, with an overflow that isrouted under the firewall. Today, a local stopped by and asked the samequestion, "How well does that work?" His concern is that, in a left steepturn or turns about a point, the breathing system may get overwhelmed withoil. A few months ago, in left turns about my house, the engine sputteredand emitted smoke from the left side. I assumed that I had picked up somecondensation or water. The local wants me to change it so that the 'Outlet'from the separator is routed back to the top cover of the engine, not thevalve cover. I have yet to converse with WW about that.Your thoughts?Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Oscar,How timely!!! My system is set to exit the top hose, enter a Cessna styleair/oil separator, return via the bottom hose, with an overflow that isrouted under the firewall. Today, a local stopped by and asked the samequestion, "How well does that work?" His concern is that, in a left steepturn or turns about a point, the breathing system may get overwhelmed withoil. A few months ago, in left turns about my house, the engine sputteredand emitted smoke from the left side. I assumed that I had picked up somecondensation or water. The local wants me to change it so that the 'Outlet'from the separator is routed back to the top cover of the engine, not thevalve cover. I have yet to converse with WW about that.Your thoughts?Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Gary;I would not say that William Wynne has the ONLY solution to proper crankcase venting,but he certainly has one that works. Before you do anything with the topcover, do talk with William. Meanwhile, here's a snip from one of his postsafter Corvair College 20, which was in 2011:"The engine fired right up on the test stand and ran very well, however it beganto leak a little oil after a few minutes. Normally this does not bother me.The focus of the test run is to break in the camshaft lifters. If the engine leaksoil, I usually let it go if it is not severe. I carefully studied Bills engineas it ran on the stand, and I noticed it was showing oil leaking from severalof the pushrod tubes at once. There is an easy explanation for an engineleaking oil from a lot of different places unexpectedly: The breather is notworking. Because Bill is installing his engine on a Pietenpol, he was a littlereluctant to have the oil filler and breathers in the valve covers. He incorporateda breather into the top cover on his engine. And packed it with a ScotchBrite-like material to act as a filtration device. The net effect was to restrictthe outflow of crankcase vapors excessively. When the crankcase becomespressurized with blow by air, it does not take more than three or four poundsof pressure to make the engine leak oil from numerous places. If you're consideringa unique oil breather arrangement, understand that I've tried almost everylocation on the engine, and numerous different designs. Having the oil fillerneck and breathers in the valve covers was not my first choice; it evolvedover years of testing. With a corrected crankcase venting system, Bills enginewill show itself to be an outstanding powerplant and probably remain leak free."--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Gary;I would not say that William Wynne has the ONLY solution to proper crankcase venting,but he certainly has one that works. Before you do anything with the topcover, do talk with William. Meanwhile, here's a snip from one of his postsafter Corvair College 20, which was in 2011:"The engine fired right up on the test stand and ran very well, however it beganto leak a little oil after a few minutes. Normally this does not bother me.The focus of the test run is to break in the camshaft lifters. If the engine leaksoil, I usually let it go if it is not severe. I carefully studied Bills engineas it ran on the stand, and I noticed it was showing oil leaking from severalof the pushrod tubes at once. There is an easy explanation for an engineleaking oil from a lot of different places unexpectedly: The breather is notworking. Because Bill is installing his engine on a Pietenpol, he was a littlereluctant to have the oil filler and breathers in the valve covers. He incorporateda breather into the top cover on his engine. And packed it with a ScotchBrite-like material to act as a filtration device. The net effect was to restrictthe outflow of crankcase vapors excessively. When the crankcase becomespressurized with blow by air, it does not take more than three or four poundsof pressure to make the engine leak oil from numerous places. If you're consideringa unique oil breather arrangement, understand that I've tried almost everylocation on the engine, and numerous different designs. Having the oil fillerneck and breathers in the valve covers was not my first choice; it evolvedover years of testing. With a corrected crankcase venting system, Bills enginewill show itself to be an outstanding powerplant and probably remain leak free."--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
By the way, it may be a little tough getting in touch with William right now. He and Grace will be conducting CC#25 from April 5-7 and will then be at Sun 'n'Fun April 9-14.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
By the way, it may be a little tough getting in touch with William right now. He and Grace will be conducting CC#25 from April 5-7 and will then be at Sun 'n'Fun April 9-14.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
The infraction here appears to be the packing material...not sure why someone woulddo that. Stock Corvairs have the vent return into the top cover. Thanks fordigging that up, Oscar! I know WW is busy right now, and I'm not desperatefor an answer. Steep turns and turns about a point will be made to the right!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
The infraction here appears to be the packing material...not sure why someone woulddo that. Stock Corvairs have the vent return into the top cover. Thanks fordigging that up, Oscar! I know WW is busy right now, and I'm not desperatefor an answer. Steep turns and turns about a point will be made to the right!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
WW's latest manual still incorporates two welded lines into the left cover, asI did, and I used the ACS #10570 separator as he suggests. Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
WW's latest manual still incorporates two welded lines into the left cover, asI did, and I used the ACS #10570 separator as he suggests. Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: dawn patrol
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Hi Douwe, I recognize that Piet... My flight instructor Joe Smith from Red Stewart Airfield sent me a picture of it. You did some training there right?Regards,Charles Burkholder ----- Original Message -----
Hi Douwe, I recognize that Piet... My flight instructor Joe Smith from Red Stewart Airfield sent me a picture of it. You did some training there right?Regards,Charles Burkholder ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Original Posted By: "biplan53"
If I'm irritating anyone with all these photos... My apologies... just don'topen this one.While organizing Piet photos I found this one Marci shot one night. Thoughtit captured something nice about the building process that some wouldappreciate, hence the forward.Changed out my old original starter which had a clutch going bad for a newlightweight Skytech. Saved SIX pounds!!Easiest weight saving I ever heard of (except for the purchase price...)Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
If I'm irritating anyone with all these photos... My apologies... just don'topen this one.While organizing Piet photos I found this one Marci shot one night. Thoughtit captured something nice about the building process that some wouldappreciate, hence the forward.Changed out my old original starter which had a clutch going bad for a newlightweight Skytech. Saved SIX pounds!!Easiest weight saving I ever heard of (except for the purchase price...)Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Douwe, you have such a good looking plane I don't mind looking at pictures. I amgoing to try to get some pictures of my project on soon.--------Building steel fuselage aircamper.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Douwe, you have such a good looking plane I don't mind looking at pictures. I amgoing to try to get some pictures of my project on soon.--------Building steel fuselage aircamper.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Douwe,Why would anyone get upset with your infectious joy over your airplane?Thanks for sharing. For those who have built or owned, your pictures and postsbring back the same thoughts. For those of us building, it keeps us motivated.Keep 'em comin'.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Douwe,Why would anyone get upset with your infectious joy over your airplane?Thanks for sharing. For those who have built or owned, your pictures and postsbring back the same thoughts. For those of us building, it keeps us motivated.Keep 'em comin'.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cool building shot
Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "CraigAho"
Beautiful.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Beautiful.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful sinceI am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a newmethod of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not thebest way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have tofind some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close upshots of your Axel assy.CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful sinceI am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a newmethod of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not thebest way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have tofind some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close upshots of your Axel assy.CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Craig,My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had werebarely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block toserve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brakelinings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the firsttaxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables aroundthe axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections!The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axlein place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I cameup with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before thataxle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone!Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant,but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to dosomething else (or not).Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Craig,My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had werebarely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block toserve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brakelinings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the firsttaxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables aroundthe axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections!The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axlein place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I cameup with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before thataxle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone!Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant,but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to dosomething else (or not).Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By:>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
Thanks, Mike. The SkyScout is a whole different story and medium for me. I thought working with wood would be easy and more familiar than working with aluminum, and it has been. But the metal (steel) work is a real learning process! It has certainly slowed me down. If the Barnstorming Tour materializes, plan on a visit to Colusa to check on my progress on my SkyScout. We could put most, if not all, of the group up here at my place. Maybe you fellas can make some metal parts for me while you are here! Then we can visit Gary's Lincoln lair and see what he is up to! There is also supposed to be a Pietenpol in Oroville, but I have not seen it. There is also one in Chico.Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Apr 2, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Michael Groah wrote:> Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing the waiex again. He did an awesome job. I'm sure his sky scout will look just as good. > > Mike> > > > > Sent from my iPhone> > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!">> >> Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex...>> >> >> >> Gary Boothe>> NX308MB>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
Thanks, Mike. The SkyScout is a whole different story and medium for me. I thought working with wood would be easy and more familiar than working with aluminum, and it has been. But the metal (steel) work is a real learning process! It has certainly slowed me down. If the Barnstorming Tour materializes, plan on a visit to Colusa to check on my progress on my SkyScout. We could put most, if not all, of the group up here at my place. Maybe you fellas can make some metal parts for me while you are here! Then we can visit Gary's Lincoln lair and see what he is up to! There is also supposed to be a Pietenpol in Oroville, but I have not seen it. There is also one in Chico.Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Apr 2, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Michael Groah wrote:> Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing the waiex again. He did an awesome job. I'm sure his sky scout will look just as good. > > Mike> > > > > Sent from my iPhone> > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!">> >> Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex...>> >> >> >> Gary Boothe>> NX308MB>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Gary,I usually charge a royalty fee for the use of such "un-official" photos, but I will let it slip this time; since it makes me look younger than I really am! RaySent from my iPadOn Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!"> > Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex...> > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Gary,I usually charge a royalty fee for the use of such "un-official" photos, but I will let it slip this time; since it makes me look younger than I really am! RaySent from my iPadOn Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!"> > Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex...> > > > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
It was taken 4 yrs ago! I=99ll bet your Waiex looks exactly the same, thoughand that=99s what really matters!Gary BootheNX308MB
It was taken 4 yrs ago! I=99ll bet your Waiex looks exactly the same, thoughand that=99s what really matters!Gary BootheNX308MB
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: > gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Thanks Gary=2C Interesting setup and definitly looks strong. The one I had on my old ship was rather crude but with the marginal drum brakes it worked. I have always thought I would go with the setup like Mike Cuy's. I will do some more study before I decide. I certainly would like to make the Piet Fly in and will consider it. Thanks again. Craig
Thanks Gary=2C Interesting setup and definitly looks strong. The one I had on my old ship was rather crude but with the marginal drum brakes it worked. I have always thought I would go with the setup like Mike Cuy's. I will do some more study before I decide. I certainly would like to make the Piet Fly in and will consider it. Thanks again. Craig
Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have a piethere in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'm workingto finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvairpower. John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chicomuni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. both I'vetalked with. I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post picssoon. See you all at Frazier Lake! Tim WallRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:41:49 +0000 (UTC)
West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have a piethere in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'm workingto finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvairpower. John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chicomuni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. both I'vetalked with. I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post picssoon. See you all at Frazier Lake! Tim WallRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:41:49 +0000 (UTC)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ah...Yes! They all come out of the closet eventually...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Ah...Yes! They all come out of the closet eventually...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: John Egan
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi John,McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348. When youget into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sortsof widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cableactuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not holdover about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the newlinings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For largewheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent!Best wishes on your covering.Gary BootheNX308MB
Hi John,McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348. When youget into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sortsof widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cableactuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not holdover about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the newlinings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For largewheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent!Best wishes on your covering.Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw uptight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brakelinings.that's what he did, too.Gary BootheNX308MB
Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw uptight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brakelinings.that's what he did, too.Gary BootheNX308MB
RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting
Original Posted By: m.rich2(at)verizon.net
talk to mark in fresno ca. He is your size and is upsizing a piet at this time. Put in the front door while you are at it. Ps I too am your size. Vic NX414MV
talk to mark in fresno ca. He is your size and is upsizing a piet at this time. Put in the front door while you are at it. Ps I too am your size. Vic NX414MV
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By:>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
Just try one side and see which is better! ;-)GarySent from my iPhoneOn Apr 3, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:> Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replace the linings. Thanks, Ken> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:>> Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake liningsthat=99s what he did, too.>> >> >> >> Gary Boothe>> >> NX308MB>> >> >>
Just try one side and see which is better! ;-)GarySent from my iPhoneOn Apr 3, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:> Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replace the linings. Thanks, Ken> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:>> Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake liningsthat=99s what he did, too.>> >> >> >> Gary Boothe>> >> NX308MB>> >> >>
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Tim,I am in Oroville almost every Saturday to visit with Merle Reppert and have lunch. Would sure like to see your plane. Tom said he thoughtyou were making one plane from some other planes, or something..... He did notknow too much. I saw a Piet on Barnstormers for sale in Oroville, was thatyours?Give me. Call, or come down to Merle's hangar on Saturday, sometime. Would loveto meet you.Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Apr 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, "Tim70" wrote:> > West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have apiet here in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'mworking to finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvairpower.> John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chicomuni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. bothI've talked with.> I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post picssoon. See you all at Frazier Lake!> Tim Wall> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 768#397768> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Tim,I am in Oroville almost every Saturday to visit with Merle Reppert and have lunch. Would sure like to see your plane. Tom said he thoughtyou were making one plane from some other planes, or something..... He did notknow too much. I saw a Piet on Barnstormers for sale in Oroville, was thatyours?Give me. Call, or come down to Merle's hangar on Saturday, sometime. Would loveto meet you.Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Apr 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, "Tim70" wrote:> > West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have apiet here in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'mworking to finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvairpower.> John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chicomuni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. bothI've talked with.> I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post picssoon. See you all at Frazier Lake!> Tim Wall> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 768#397768> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto the axle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate".Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto the axle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate".Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Ok guys:I knew I had read about using chain links for cable connections, and a search ofthe archives produced the answers I was looking for... Kinda.Kevin: was the chain clips you got from a Motorcycle shop? Not a regular bicycleshop, right? I think I want to use this method versus shackles. Dang shackles cost more thanthe engine! Well, kinda....Jim: did the roller chain #50 links work well for you?I am gearing up to start connecting all the welded pieces I've been making :-)Markkevinpurtee wrote:> For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. Hada friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he worked. If Iwere to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves and secure with appropriatehardware, like the pictures posted earlier in this thread.> > KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Ok guys:I knew I had read about using chain links for cable connections, and a search ofthe archives produced the answers I was looking for... Kinda.Kevin: was the chain clips you got from a Motorcycle shop? Not a regular bicycleshop, right? I think I want to use this method versus shackles. Dang shackles cost more thanthe engine! Well, kinda....Jim: did the roller chain #50 links work well for you?I am gearing up to start connecting all the welded pieces I've been making :-)Markkevinpurtee wrote:> For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. Hada friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he worked. If Iwere to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves and secure with appropriatehardware, like the pictures posted earlier in this thread.> > KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Is the pic still there? I'm reading in my iPad but don't see the pic. Maybe ona regular computer, but after reading this thread, I am considering the wholeLG decision again... Was thinking of the steel gear but the wooden gear with betterbrakes sounds good to me. But would like to see the pic... :)helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:> Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviouslyin this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). Thephoto was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto theaxle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under theaxle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate".> > Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN> > > > > --Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Is the pic still there? I'm reading in my iPad but don't see the pic. Maybe ona regular computer, but after reading this thread, I am considering the wholeLG decision again... Was thinking of the steel gear but the wooden gear with betterbrakes sounds good to me. But would like to see the pic... :)helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:> Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviouslyin this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). Thephoto was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto theaxle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under theaxle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate".> > Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN> > > > > --Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Mark,See the attached. This is what you need. Note that this assembly uses an AN111 bushing instead of an AN100 thimble.Greg CardinalMinneapolis----- Original Message -----
Mark,See the attached. This is what you need. Note that this assembly uses an AN111 bushing instead of an AN100 thimble.Greg CardinalMinneapolis----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Dan you did such a nice job on your Piet. Beautiful=2C I will have to explore this type of brake system for my new project. Looks real interesting allthough I think my small drum brakes seemed to work adequately on NX40772. Craig To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Dan you did such a nice job on your Piet. Beautiful=2C I will have to explore this type of brake system for my new project. Looks real interesting allthough I think my small drum brakes seemed to work adequately on NX40772. Craig To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Pieters,I have been given the proper kitchen pass from my wife to have the whole week availablefor this barnstorming adventure. The amount of time I use will dependon the participation. When the last guy can no longer continue, I will go home.I have told her that I don't want to get any more than a one day flightaway from home in case I need to return. That would mean that Red Bluff wouldbe as far north as I would want to go. I have an Aunt who is currently dieingof cancer which could cause an early return home. looking forward to it,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:55:30 +0000 (UTC)
Pieters,I have been given the proper kitchen pass from my wife to have the whole week availablefor this barnstorming adventure. The amount of time I use will dependon the participation. When the last guy can no longer continue, I will go home.I have told her that I don't want to get any more than a one day flightaway from home in case I need to return. That would mean that Red Bluff wouldbe as far north as I would want to go. I have an Aunt who is currently dieingof cancer which could cause an early return home. looking forward to it,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:55:30 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Greg,Thanks for the nice drawing of all the pieces.... How does one go about breakingthe chain to get the plates apart? Did you use black steel, Stainless, what? I see that McMaster has lots of differentchain, as low as about $5 per foot...thanks,--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:51:01 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace
Greg,Thanks for the nice drawing of all the pieces.... How does one go about breakingthe chain to get the plates apart? Did you use black steel, Stainless, what? I see that McMaster has lots of differentchain, as low as about $5 per foot...thanks,--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:51:01 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > Craig=2C> > My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were> barely functional=2C and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to> serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake> linings through McMaster-Carr=2C and they worked so well that on the first> taxi test they ripped the tubes right out=2C wrapped up my brake cables around> the axle=2C ripping them out of the heel brake connections!> > The hole thru my axle already existed=2C as that holds the actual wheel axle> in place=2C and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So=2C I came> up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before that> axle ever rotates again=2C the entire gear will be gone!> > Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant=2C> but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do> something else (or not).> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Craig=2C> > My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were> barely functional=2C and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to> serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake> linings through McMaster-Carr=2C and they worked so well that on the first> taxi test they ripped the tubes right out=2C wrapped up my brake cables around> the axle=2C ripping them out of the heel brake connections!> > The hole thru my axle already existed=2C as that holds the actual wheel axle> in place=2C and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So=2C I came> up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before that> axle ever rotates again=2C the entire gear will be gone!> > Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant=2C> but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do> something else (or not).> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Hello everyone=2C my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little about me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft that would be a good build starting with a Piet=2Cand ending with a Piet. I've been in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been around full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brother. They kept nagging me=2C"When are you going to get your license and start flying for real" ? Well I finally did=2C but there's still something missing. I'm not building anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EAA=2CBPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to build a Pietenpol Air Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nice and down to earth...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have thus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit=2C bought all the Benglis books ect.So with that said=2C I need to order plans now. I'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the longest fuse/ supplemental plans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just parts of it? Please advise=2Cthanks. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:15:34 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Hello everyone=2C my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little about me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft that would be a good build starting with a Piet=2Cand ending with a Piet. I've been in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been around full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brother. They kept nagging me=2C"When are you going to get your license and start flying for real" ? Well I finally did=2C but there's still something missing. I'm not building anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EAA=2CBPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to build a Pietenpol Air Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nice and down to earth...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have thus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit=2C bought all the Benglis books ect.So with that said=2C I need to order plans now. I'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the longest fuse/ supplemental plans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just parts of it? Please advise=2Cthanks. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:15:34 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
=0AHere is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto the axle=2C their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate".=0A=0A =0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0APuryear=2C TN=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A
=0AHere is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto the axle=2C their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate".=0A=0A =0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0APuryear=2C TN=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A