Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Douwe's going IF life doesn't throw any curves. I want to join a groupcoming through and tag along for my first trip. Looks like a gaggle willfly through/assemble in Waynesville, OH.There are two piets in Lousiville that are thinking about it, and Jeff Faithwould like to if everything works out for him.There's yet another by Waynesville, OH who is considering it if his scheduleallows.Gradiner is coming through from Atlanta and Jeff B MIGHT tag along with him.Those are the guys I"ve spoken with.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet
Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone havelights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about puttinglights on an experimental aircraft?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone havelights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about puttinglights on an experimental aircraft?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Jim,Your airplane has a set of Operating Limitations. They should be carried in theairplane. Find these and read them. They will tell you exactly what you cando and what FAR's apply to your plane. The Operating Limitations are the bibleand Lifeblood of your airplane. They all read a little different, dependingon who wrote them. The correct verbiage you put in the logbook for your conditioninspections is also there. You must carry the Operating Limitations in the aircraft to be legal.Hope this helps you.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Jim,Your airplane has a set of Operating Limitations. They should be carried in theairplane. Find these and read them. They will tell you exactly what you cando and what FAR's apply to your plane. The Operating Limitations are the bibleand Lifeblood of your airplane. They all read a little different, dependingon who wrote them. The correct verbiage you put in the logbook for your conditioninspections is also there. You must carry the Operating Limitations in the aircraft to be legal.Hope this helps you.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: Gerry Holland
Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobeare the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landinglight is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (likemaybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find thereal data.Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returning justaround civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into anunfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especiallyin a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and thinkcarefully before doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobeare the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landinglight is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (likemaybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find thereal data.Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returning justaround civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into anunfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especiallyin a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and thinkcarefully before doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDThe rules basically say you have to have lights. A red port (left), green starboard(right) and white tail position lights. An anti collision light (Strobe orrotating beacons, top and/or Bottom) and you would need a landing/Taxi light.Beyond that there is little expectation. You could put in a conventional electrical type system But for Experimental thereis no requirement for them to be driven by the engine electrical system, youcould even consider "add on" lights, IE small battery powered independent (nowires) positon and anticollision lights that you turn on and off before andafter the flight. IE no cockpit switch. Then a good "spotlight" that will serveas a landing/taxi light.Don't read in more to what the FAA requres. You could just run the wires while building and not put lights on until later.Blue Skies,Steve DOn 04/18/13, Fun2av8 wrote:> > I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone havelights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about puttinglights on an experimental aircraft?> > --------> Jim McWhorter> N687MB (New Owner)> Culpeper, VA KCJR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 863#398863> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDThe rules basically say you have to have lights. A red port (left), green starboard(right) and white tail position lights. An anti collision light (Strobe orrotating beacons, top and/or Bottom) and you would need a landing/Taxi light.Beyond that there is little expectation. You could put in a conventional electrical type system But for Experimental thereis no requirement for them to be driven by the engine electrical system, youcould even consider "add on" lights, IE small battery powered independent (nowires) positon and anticollision lights that you turn on and off before andafter the flight. IE no cockpit switch. Then a good "spotlight" that will serveas a landing/taxi light.Don't read in more to what the FAA requres. You could just run the wires while building and not put lights on until later.Blue Skies,Steve DOn 04/18/13, Fun2av8 wrote:> > I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone havelights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about puttinglights on an experimental aircraft?> > --------> Jim McWhorter> N687MB (New Owner)> Culpeper, VA KCJR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 863#398863> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Using this reference (the best I can find so far...)http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/201 ... ments.pdfI think all you need is position lights, anti collision lights, adequate electricityand spare fuses (?).Found it curious that a lot of what I thought were required instruments (airspeed,fuel, engine... etc) are NOT listed as required for day vfr, but are for nightvfr. Is this because of the experimental status?Anyway, also seems odd nothing is mentioned about cockpit lighting, so you cansee the required instruments...Can't find anything about a landing light, most sources seem to indicate this isneeded only for commercially used aircraft.>From a common sense standpoint, another necessity is a WELL lit field, and ifnecessary, a way to activate the lights there (two way radio perhaps). Night flying is GREAT! However, it's also a lot more varsity than intuitivelyobvious. The loss of peripheral vision is a HUGE deal and requires a lot of thought,training, whatever. It's a lot like really marginal VFR, very insidious.The toughest flying I've ever done (other than a few select nights at theboat) was in the Persian gulf during the summer. PERFECTLY legal VFR, but ABSOLUTELYno horizon. It was plainly an instrument only affair and I logged itthat way. Pretty sure it was conditions like those that led to JFK Jr's death.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Using this reference (the best I can find so far...)http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/201 ... ments.pdfI think all you need is position lights, anti collision lights, adequate electricityand spare fuses (?).Found it curious that a lot of what I thought were required instruments (airspeed,fuel, engine... etc) are NOT listed as required for day vfr, but are for nightvfr. Is this because of the experimental status?Anyway, also seems odd nothing is mentioned about cockpit lighting, so you cansee the required instruments...Can't find anything about a landing light, most sources seem to indicate this isneeded only for commercially used aircraft.>From a common sense standpoint, another necessity is a WELL lit field, and ifnecessary, a way to activate the lights there (two way radio perhaps). Night flying is GREAT! However, it's also a lot more varsity than intuitivelyobvious. The loss of peripheral vision is a HUGE deal and requires a lot of thought,training, whatever. It's a lot like really marginal VFR, very insidious.The toughest flying I've ever done (other than a few select nights at theboat) was in the Persian gulf during the summer. PERFECTLY legal VFR, but ABSOLUTELYno horizon. It was plainly an instrument only affair and I logged itthat way. Pretty sure it was conditions like those that led to JFK Jr's death.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
I have wing tip lights, a tail light and a landing light on my piet. They are not there for night flight, they are there for flying for the 30 minutes after sunset which can be the nicest time of day around here.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
I have wing tip lights, a tail light and a landing light on my piet. They are not there for night flight, they are there for flying for the 30 minutes after sunset which can be the nicest time of day around here.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Dave Hi.Have you seen this? I'm in UK so good here yet.> It's an App for the iPad called Xavion that will guide you into a safe landing after an engine failure at night or IFR.> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KE00OMi ... e=youtu.be> RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________
Dave Hi.Have you seen this? I'm in UK so good here yet.> It's an App for the iPad called Xavion that will guide you into a safe landing after an engine failure at night or IFR.> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KE00OMi ... e=youtu.be> RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I just found one reference in the EAA's website, mentioned it in your thread aboutnight flying. Might want to look around there, or just call them! It IStheir specialty.Digging it out of the FAR's is proving tougher than I thought it would be...Keep in mind, what is LEGAL for an experimental plane, and what is SAFE are sometimesNOT the same! It's good that the rules are vague enough that we can operatethese things, but that does place a bigger burden on headwork. Your regularlight civil experience will prove useful here! >From what I can tell, most of rules that apply to certed light civil planes, dopretty much keep you safe, albeit somewhat over robust at times.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
I just found one reference in the EAA's website, mentioned it in your thread aboutnight flying. Might want to look around there, or just call them! It IStheir specialty.Digging it out of the FAR's is proving tougher than I thought it would be...Keep in mind, what is LEGAL for an experimental plane, and what is SAFE are sometimesNOT the same! It's good that the rules are vague enough that we can operatethese things, but that does place a bigger burden on headwork. Your regularlight civil experience will prove useful here! >From what I can tell, most of rules that apply to certed light civil planes, dopretty much keep you safe, albeit somewhat over robust at times.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Jim,Again, check your operating limitations. They may prohibit it.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Jim,Again, check your operating limitations. They may prohibit it.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDIn my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight. Not asworried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas, Oklahoma, NewMexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane even when you canbarely see. BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night. Lots ofrough terrain to bump into. I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after dark.The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of airports Iam familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio after dark. Lotsof rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local airports, and there arelots of towers and such. Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about night flight.Clear Skies,Steve On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:> > Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobeare the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landinglight is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (likemaybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find thereal data.> > Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returningjust around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into anunfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especiallyin a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and think carefullybefore doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.> > Dave> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 869#398869> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDIn my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight. Not asworried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas, Oklahoma, NewMexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane even when you canbarely see. BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night. Lots ofrough terrain to bump into. I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after dark.The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of airports Iam familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio after dark. Lotsof rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local airports, and there arelots of towers and such. Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about night flight.Clear Skies,Steve On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:> > Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobeare the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landinglight is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (likemaybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find thereal data.> > Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returningjust around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into anunfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especiallyin a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and think carefullybefore doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.> > Dave> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 869#398869> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Oh... there's a good point...If your limitations say NO NIGHT FLYING, how easy is it to change that? Didn'teven consider that... I guess even if you do make it legal (physically), youneed to get that modified?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oh... there's a good point...If your limitations say NO NIGHT FLYING, how easy is it to change that? Didn'teven consider that... I guess even if you do make it legal (physically), youneed to get that modified?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require anartificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disorientedleveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately neededthe AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with theprogram. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon lightnight over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day orjust dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (noelectrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.Bob-----Original Message-----
Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require anartificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disorientedleveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately neededthe AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with theprogram. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon lightnight over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day orjust dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (noelectrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.Bob-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
A regular at Brodhead, N57TL is equipped for night flight, including instrumentlights. Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brod ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
A regular at Brodhead, N57TL is equipped for night flight, including instrumentlights. Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brod ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDCheck out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internal battery)or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizonand all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be movedfrom plane to plane.http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Lite ... 2012.pdfor Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a These could meet the requiremtn for AHBlue Skies,STeve DOn 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:> > Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an> artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.> > All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented> leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed> the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the> program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light> night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or> just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no> electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.> > Bob> > -----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDCheck out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internal battery)or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizonand all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be movedfrom plane to plane.http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Lite ... 2012.pdfor Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a These could meet the requiremtn for AHBlue Skies,STeve DOn 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:> > Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an> artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.> > All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented> leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed> the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the> program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light> night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or> just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no> electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.> > Bob> > -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By:> > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDTo clarify, I see this as an Option to buying a lot of equipment. It replaces severalinstruments and does not require an electrical system. Indeed it is portableand can be used in several planes. Just a thot. Steve D On 04/18/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:> > UNCLASSIFIED> Check out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internalbattery) or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizonand all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be movedfrom plane to plane.> > http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Lite ... ul2012.pdf> > or Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a > > These could meet the requiremtn for AH> > Blue Skies,> STeve D> > On 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:> > > > Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an> > artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.> > > > All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented> > leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed> > the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the> > program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light> > night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or> > just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no> > electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.> > > > Bob> > > > -----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet UNCLASSIFIEDTo clarify, I see this as an Option to buying a lot of equipment. It replaces severalinstruments and does not require an electrical system. Indeed it is portableand can be used in several planes. Just a thot. Steve D On 04/18/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:> > UNCLASSIFIED> Check out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internalbattery) or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizonand all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be movedfrom plane to plane.> > http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Lite ... ul2012.pdf> > or Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a > > These could meet the requiremtn for AH> > Blue Skies,> STeve D> > On 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:> > > > Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an> > artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.> > > > All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented> > leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed> > the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the> > program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light> > night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or> > just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no> > electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.> > > > Bob> > > > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Hey Don,Yes, Jim Kinsella is talking about flying up this year. He has a friendwho's name escapes me, who has a recently completed piet just north of theriver at Clark Cty airport.Then of course, Jeff Faith is in Louisville.Almost a squadron down thereD________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Hey Don,Yes, Jim Kinsella is talking about flying up this year. He has a friendwho's name escapes me, who has a recently completed piet just north of theriver at Clark Cty airport.Then of course, Jeff Faith is in Louisville.Almost a squadron down thereD________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Awesome, thanks for the link. That definitely helps. All the spruce I have worked seems SO regular that irregularities I assumed wouldbe easier to see than in some of the low grade stuff I work (for furniture,nothing structural). But really haven't found any links with many pictures.I've been working a lot of logs lately, so will start looking for tell tale signsright after they're felled... Thanks again!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Awesome, thanks for the link. That definitely helps. All the spruce I have worked seems SO regular that irregularities I assumed wouldbe easier to see than in some of the low grade stuff I work (for furniture,nothing structural). But really haven't found any links with many pictures.I've been working a lot of logs lately, so will start looking for tell tale signsright after they're felled... Thanks again!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Hey Baldeagle,Something about that comment just doesn't sound right...Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
Hey Baldeagle,Something about that comment just doesn't sound right...Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet