Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
How that everyone is back from their weekend, I wanted to run my insurancequestion by one more time.How does insurance work when hopping rides, such as at Brodhead? What doyou guys do who have flown a lot of rides?Got a couple of answers, but clearly, everyone is away.Thanks!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: insurance question again.
RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again.
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Douwe, my insurance policy (with Falcon, the EAA insurance) on my Pietenpolcovers me for $1 Million liability, if I'm flying my airplane. In addition,the policy I have on my RV-4 covers me for hull damage up to $40,000 if I'mflying someone else's airplane, along with the $1 Million in liability.You need a million in liability to fly Young Eagles for the EAA, so I thinkmost people carry liability insurance. It doesn't cost much - maybe $300 ayear or so, depending on your ratings and experience.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Douwe, my insurance policy (with Falcon, the EAA insurance) on my Pietenpolcovers me for $1 Million liability, if I'm flying my airplane. In addition,the policy I have on my RV-4 covers me for hull damage up to $40,000 if I'mflying someone else's airplane, along with the $1 Million in liability.You need a million in liability to fly Young Eagles for the EAA, so I thinkmost people carry liability insurance. It doesn't cost much - maybe $300 ayear or so, depending on your ratings and experience.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again.
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again. UNCLASSIFIED I had full coverage on my Vtail (an old one with low value) and it was about $1200,without Hull insurance it was about $800. I have been told that full coverageincluding the Piet will not be much more. That includes the $1mil liabilitypolicy required by EAA and some enhanced medical coverage.My Vtail is currently out of annual and I only have it covered by my renter's insurance.If the hangar burns down, it is covered. Except for my family's finances and the EAA requirement, I would not insure. IfI wreck the plane, Either I am hurt and don't care about the plane, or I slapa wing to the ground, and I fix it. I will learn metal or wood and fabric work.Blue Skies,Steve DOn 05/28/13, Jack Phillips wrote:> > > > > Douwe, my insurance policy (with Falcon, the EAA insurance) on my Pietenpol coversme for $1 Million liability, if I’m flying my airplane. In addition,the policy I have on my RV-4 covers me for hull damage up to $40,000 if I’mflying someone else’s airplane, along with the $1 Million in liability.> > > > You need a million in liability to fly Young Eagles for the EAA, so I think mostpeople carry liability insurance. It doesn’t cost much - maybe $300a year or so, depending on your ratings and experience.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > >
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again. UNCLASSIFIED I had full coverage on my Vtail (an old one with low value) and it was about $1200,without Hull insurance it was about $800. I have been told that full coverageincluding the Piet will not be much more. That includes the $1mil liabilitypolicy required by EAA and some enhanced medical coverage.My Vtail is currently out of annual and I only have it covered by my renter's insurance.If the hangar burns down, it is covered. Except for my family's finances and the EAA requirement, I would not insure. IfI wreck the plane, Either I am hurt and don't care about the plane, or I slapa wing to the ground, and I fix it. I will learn metal or wood and fabric work.Blue Skies,Steve DOn 05/28/13, Jack Phillips wrote:> > > > > Douwe, my insurance policy (with Falcon, the EAA insurance) on my Pietenpol coversme for $1 Million liability, if I’m flying my airplane. In addition,the policy I have on my RV-4 covers me for hull damage up to $40,000 if I’mflying someone else’s airplane, along with the $1 Million in liability.> > > > You need a million in liability to fly Young Eagles for the EAA, so I think mostpeople carry liability insurance. It doesn’t cost much - maybe $300a year or so, depending on your ratings and experience.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > >
Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
I think we're talking about Pietenpols.Seriously, though, The Tailwind is a completely different design. Among otherthings, the wingspan is only about 20 ft.Bill C.> > Tailwind doesn't use jury struts. I think they shove a piece of wood throughthe center prevent buckling from the compressive loads. > > Andy Abreu > 6186L > EAA 582 > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
I think we're talking about Pietenpols.Seriously, though, The Tailwind is a completely different design. Among otherthings, the wingspan is only about 20 ft.Bill C.> > Tailwind doesn't use jury struts. I think they shove a piece of wood throughthe center prevent buckling from the compressive loads. > > Andy Abreu > 6186L > EAA 582 > Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Original Posted By: "tools"
Douwe,The insurance company views a "passenger" as a "passenger". They don't say wewill allow you to give "a" ride, but not allow you to give one ride after another,such as at a fly in. Is that what you mean? Unless of course there is anamed exclusion on there that would be such a thing as giving rides at a show,but I really doubt that would exist. Nevertheless, it's always very importantto read every bit of the policy! Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Douwe,The insurance company views a "passenger" as a "passenger". They don't say wewill allow you to give "a" ride, but not allow you to give one ride after another,such as at a fly in. Is that what you mean? Unless of course there is anamed exclusion on there that would be such a thing as giving rides at a show,but I really doubt that would exist. Nevertheless, it's always very importantto read every bit of the policy! Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
For the data point, my ins is through EAA, Falcon and some other underwriter orsomething. It was $350 to $400 for liability only, $850 to $950 for that and hull moving ornot ($12K value).Lots of time and ratings, not much tail dragger. Not sure when you're consideredto have lots of tail dragger, probably a hundred or three hundred.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:46:53 +0000 (UTC)
For the data point, my ins is through EAA, Falcon and some other underwriter orsomething. It was $350 to $400 for liability only, $850 to $950 for that and hull moving ornot ($12K value).Lots of time and ratings, not much tail dragger. Not sure when you're consideredto have lots of tail dragger, probably a hundred or three hundred.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:46:53 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
>From my A&P friend, who is also an EAA Tech Counselor and prolific builder andpilot:================I attached an article on the minimum requirements for an Amateur Built Experimentalaircraft. The minimum requirements fall into three categories for the minimumrequirements. Day VFR, Night VFR, and Day/Night IFR.Now assuming the Piet referenced is a non electric, Day VFR Aircraft, if you godown the list, the only piece of Equipment that *MIGHT* be required is an ELT.Everything else is optional. So, to start with, a MEL is not required for an amateur built Experimental aircraft.I have none for any of the three planes I have built. The only requirementsare the basic FAA required paperwork such as Airworthiness, operating limitationsand current inspection. If this owner chooses to create a MEL for his2 seat non electric Day VFR Piet, it should only have one item on the listand that is a current ELT.Now, having written the above based on this article from Sport Aviation, I don'tknow of any DAR that will license a plane without items 1 - 7, 9, 12, 15, and23. Based on that, he could create a MEL with those items on it, but the realityis that he should call it a PMEC (Personal Minimum Equipment Checklist)or something similar so as to not confuse any FAA personnel with a genuine MELwhich has legal implications and could be used to ground his aircraft or foran insurance company to bail on a pay out.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1103 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
>From my A&P friend, who is also an EAA Tech Counselor and prolific builder andpilot:================I attached an article on the minimum requirements for an Amateur Built Experimentalaircraft. The minimum requirements fall into three categories for the minimumrequirements. Day VFR, Night VFR, and Day/Night IFR.Now assuming the Piet referenced is a non electric, Day VFR Aircraft, if you godown the list, the only piece of Equipment that *MIGHT* be required is an ELT.Everything else is optional. So, to start with, a MEL is not required for an amateur built Experimental aircraft.I have none for any of the three planes I have built. The only requirementsare the basic FAA required paperwork such as Airworthiness, operating limitationsand current inspection. If this owner chooses to create a MEL for his2 seat non electric Day VFR Piet, it should only have one item on the listand that is a current ELT.Now, having written the above based on this article from Sport Aviation, I don'tknow of any DAR that will license a plane without items 1 - 7, 9, 12, 15, and23. Based on that, he could create a MEL with those items on it, but the realityis that he should call it a PMEC (Personal Minimum Equipment Checklist)or something similar so as to not confuse any FAA personnel with a genuine MELwhich has legal implications and could be used to ground his aircraft or foran insurance company to bail on a pay out.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1103 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: insurance question again.
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I'll add my data point. I've been flying without insurance almost since day one,but when I moved to Medford (controlled field; international, port of entry,etc.) I couldn't rent a hangar without carrying liability so I took out a policy.Pretty reasonable, in line with what others have quoted for theirs (coupleof hundred $$ a year, through Falcon). I have a couple of hundred hours intaildraggers. I am the only covered pilot (operator). Nothing that I've seenin the policy about limiting passengers or rides.I got to thinking about this liability insurance as I watched my neighboring pilot/hangarfriends operate their airplanes around me... immaculate Beech Duke,gorgeous RV-8, very nice Skylane, and so forth. If I'm hand-propping Scout andthe airplane gets away from me and decides to go kiss up to that Duke, I'msuddenly out of sport aviation if I don't have some liability insurance. Evenworse if Scout goes after a warm body, with or without me at the controls.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears
I'll add my data point. I've been flying without insurance almost since day one,but when I moved to Medford (controlled field; international, port of entry,etc.) I couldn't rent a hangar without carrying liability so I took out a policy.Pretty reasonable, in line with what others have quoted for theirs (coupleof hundred $$ a year, through Falcon). I have a couple of hundred hours intaildraggers. I am the only covered pilot (operator). Nothing that I've seenin the policy about limiting passengers or rides.I got to thinking about this liability insurance as I watched my neighboring pilot/hangarfriends operate their airplanes around me... immaculate Beech Duke,gorgeous RV-8, very nice Skylane, and so forth. If I'm hand-propping Scout andthe airplane gets away from me and decides to go kiss up to that Duke, I'msuddenly out of sport aviation if I don't have some liability insurance. Evenworse if Scout goes after a warm body, with or without me at the controls.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears
Original Posted By: "l.morlock"
Well worth reading, too. Thanks for reminding me about William's blog.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Well worth reading, too. Thanks for reminding me about William's blog.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________