Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDThe logbook on my Piet says. it is an "Pietenpol aircamper......in accordance withthe original drawings as amended by John w. Grega to include...."forward section of the fuselage is extended 6 inches for the different motor.Wing built in 3 sections with a 9.5 gallon gas tank in upper wing. also the Right gear is J3 cub. Left gear was fabricated to match.By all appearances this is a Piet and not a Grega.What gives?Steve DUNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Just how many floorboards do you have? As far as I know there's only one.Since you're going to be putting your feet on the floorboard, you're going to wanta very durable finish. I don't think that's going to be available in a "rattlecan".As others have mentioned, epoxy is probably the best option - andit gets brushed on.And finally - corrosion protection for spruce? Just make sure that the wood isfully sealed, to prevent moisture getting in.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Just how many floorboards do you have? As far as I know there's only one.Since you're going to be putting your feet on the floorboard, you're going to wanta very durable finish. I don't think that's going to be available in a "rattlecan".As others have mentioned, epoxy is probably the best option - andit gets brushed on.And finally - corrosion protection for spruce? Just make sure that the wood isfully sealed, to prevent moisture getting in.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Steve,Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for theCG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easilybe wrong on that.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Steve,Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for theCG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easilybe wrong on that.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDUH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side to side.Airframe is all spruce. Steve DOn 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:> > Steve,> > Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust forthe CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?> > Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.> > Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easilybe wrong on that.> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 871#401871> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDUH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side to side.Airframe is all spruce. Steve DOn 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:> > Steve,> > Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust forthe CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?> > Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.> > Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easilybe wrong on that.> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 871#401871> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststicdisplay for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is in thearea.--------NX321LRON THE FINAL PUSH!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststicdisplay for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is in thearea.--------NX321LRON THE FINAL PUSH!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement of the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck----- Original Message -----
My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement of the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDFurther research on the plans shows the following:Plans with the plane are:1933-34 plans drawn by Orrin Hoopman (Deisgned by Bernard)1975 plans for three piece wing drawn by V.J. Kapler (Designed by Bernard)1967 motor mount plans drawn by A. Chanft1994 supplementary plan only initialed by DPBottom struts match the Hoopman and Kapler drawings.The top pivots side to side similar to the photo Bill C. Sent. But is not madethe same way. Based on information on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet websiteThe upper attachment is not like a Piet but more like a Grega. The Fuselage uses plywood like a Piet (not all the way back. It stops with thePilot seat. Grega put plywood all the way back.The Piper Cub (Grega idea) landing gear has been modified like the Piet plans callfor. Attached at rear strut.The controls use pulleys like a Piet not push tubes like a Grega. But there aremodifications as to the routing.Perhaps it is a Pietengrega!Blue Skies,Steve DOn 06/03/13, C N Campbell wrote:> > My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement ofthe cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDFurther research on the plans shows the following:Plans with the plane are:1933-34 plans drawn by Orrin Hoopman (Deisgned by Bernard)1975 plans for three piece wing drawn by V.J. Kapler (Designed by Bernard)1967 motor mount plans drawn by A. Chanft1994 supplementary plan only initialed by DPBottom struts match the Hoopman and Kapler drawings.The top pivots side to side similar to the photo Bill C. Sent. But is not madethe same way. Based on information on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet websiteThe upper attachment is not like a Piet but more like a Grega. The Fuselage uses plywood like a Piet (not all the way back. It stops with thePilot seat. Grega put plywood all the way back.The Piper Cub (Grega idea) landing gear has been modified like the Piet plans callfor. Attached at rear strut.The controls use pulleys like a Piet not push tubes like a Grega. But there aremodifications as to the routing.Perhaps it is a Pietengrega!Blue Skies,Steve DOn 06/03/13, C N Campbell wrote:> > My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement ofthe cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck>
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Outstanding Chris!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Jun 3, 2013, at 9:35 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:> > Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststicdisplay for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is inthe area.> > --------> NX321LR> ON THE FINAL PUSH!!> Mitsubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 881#401881> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3429_161.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3427_258.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3426_167.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:32:28 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Outstanding Chris!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Jun 3, 2013, at 9:35 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:> > Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststicdisplay for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is inthe area.> > --------> NX321LR> ON THE FINAL PUSH!!> Mitsubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 881#401881> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3429_161.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3427_258.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3426_167.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:32:28 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Make it some color that screws,nuts & bolts show up against really well. I'm constantlylosing same on my shop floor, which is smooth, gray concrete - reallyannoying. Of course, I may just need new glasses :)Kip GardnerOn Jun 3, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:> > UNCLASSIFIED> I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan onstaining and sealing the floor. > > Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.> > Blue Skies,> Steve D> UNCLASSIFIED> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Make it some color that screws,nuts & bolts show up against really well. I'm constantlylosing same on my shop floor, which is smooth, gray concrete - reallyannoying. Of course, I may just need new glasses :)Kip GardnerOn Jun 3, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:> > UNCLASSIFIED> I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan onstaining and sealing the floor. > > Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.> > Blue Skies,> Steve D> UNCLASSIFIED> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
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There are some other relatively significant differences besides those already mentioned.Aileron hinge location. The "standard" Piet aileron is hinged at the top allowingeasy use of piano hinge for those so inclined. Cessna and Piper, among others,do the same thing. The Grega hinges the ailerons in the middle of the falsespar. Since the airfoil is more symmetric with the ailerons displaced, I'mguessing the theory is that it has less adverse yaw when ailerons are deflected.The Grega aileron control cables connect to the center section via the front instrumentpanel instead of the rear like the Pietenpol plans. The pulleys mounton the front spar.The drag anti-drag scheme in the wings uses thin threaded rods in 3 bays versuscable in two.The control horns for the rudder are mounted on the very bottom of a stiffenedrudder structure. The question is: Does it matter? Both are proven designs and, if built reasonablyclose to plans, fly about the same (or so I'm told --Skip Gadd chime in please).Gregas are allowed to park with the Pietenpols at Brodhead and it doesn'tseem like anyone looks down their noses. Everyone recognizes the fact thatsomeone spent a LOT of time to hand-craft the aircraft (as opposed to the match-drilled,quick build aluminum cans so popular among the instant gratificationcrowd) no matter which design variant.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
There are some other relatively significant differences besides those already mentioned.Aileron hinge location. The "standard" Piet aileron is hinged at the top allowingeasy use of piano hinge for those so inclined. Cessna and Piper, among others,do the same thing. The Grega hinges the ailerons in the middle of the falsespar. Since the airfoil is more symmetric with the ailerons displaced, I'mguessing the theory is that it has less adverse yaw when ailerons are deflected.The Grega aileron control cables connect to the center section via the front instrumentpanel instead of the rear like the Pietenpol plans. The pulleys mounton the front spar.The drag anti-drag scheme in the wings uses thin threaded rods in 3 bays versuscable in two.The control horns for the rudder are mounted on the very bottom of a stiffenedrudder structure. The question is: Does it matter? Both are proven designs and, if built reasonablyclose to plans, fly about the same (or so I'm told --Skip Gadd chime in please).Gregas are allowed to park with the Pietenpols at Brodhead and it doesn'tseem like anyone looks down their noses. Everyone recognizes the fact thatsomeone spent a LOT of time to hand-craft the aircraft (as opposed to the match-drilled,quick build aluminum cans so popular among the instant gratificationcrowd) no matter which design variant.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oh, what a beautiful airplane! Very, very nice. It has a sort of Spad XIII-likelook to it somehow.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Oh, what a beautiful airplane! Very, very nice. It has a sort of Spad XIII-likelook to it somehow.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDOscar, I think I have a Pietenpol Fuselage with an extended nose and engine mount.The Wing appears to be a mix of the Grega three piece and the Pietenpol threepiece. All with minor mods from the plans. I prefer to call it a pure bred Mongrel. :-}Steve DOn 06/03/13, taildrags wrote:> > In case nobody mentioned it yet, most Gregas mount the landing gear legs to thefuselage with one mount point where the wing lift strut also joins to the fuselage,but with the other mount point non-concurrent with the other lift strutmount point. If you look at the pix that Chris Rusch just posted of his beautifulairplane, the side shot shows that the gear legs mount at the same spotsas the wing lift struts. Classic Air Camper configuration.> > Steve, I believe you have yourself a hermaphroditic agglomeration with accretionsand synthetizations. It's an AirGregation of Piet Camper parts. I'll betit will fly, though. And if we were in Great Britain, you would give the Brit"airplane spotters" a devil of a time trying to figure out what it is ;o)> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 937#401937> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega UNCLASSIFIEDOscar, I think I have a Pietenpol Fuselage with an extended nose and engine mount.The Wing appears to be a mix of the Grega three piece and the Pietenpol threepiece. All with minor mods from the plans. I prefer to call it a pure bred Mongrel. :-}Steve DOn 06/03/13, taildrags wrote:> > In case nobody mentioned it yet, most Gregas mount the landing gear legs to thefuselage with one mount point where the wing lift strut also joins to the fuselage,but with the other mount point non-concurrent with the other lift strutmount point. If you look at the pix that Chris Rusch just posted of his beautifulairplane, the side shot shows that the gear legs mount at the same spotsas the wing lift struts. Classic Air Camper configuration.> > Steve, I believe you have yourself a hermaphroditic agglomeration with accretionsand synthetizations. It's an AirGregation of Piet Camper parts. I'll betit will fly, though. And if we were in Great Britain, you would give the Brit"airplane spotters" a devil of a time trying to figure out what it is ;o)> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 937#401937> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________