Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
I have moved on to other airplanes that have came up and stoped work on my Piet.Was planning on building a steel tube fuselage and tail feathers. I have allthe 4130 tubing to build the fuselage per plans the correct size and wall thickness.Also the correct size tubing for the tail feathers. All in long 20' to24' pieces and upper longerons can be made one piece. All is either USA or Germanymade. No stuff from China! My loss is your gain. Will sell for less thanhalf of what it cost new. Will sell for $ 900.00. Thanks Rob 812-932-9000 or812-689-1254Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attaching ribs to spars question
Pietenpol-List: Attaching ribs to spars question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but I am curious about rib attachment to the spars.I remember reading once that the ribs can be simply nailed to the sparsas they are held to the spars with the drag anti-drag wires and compression strutassembly. This makes it easier to replace broken ribs and spars as necessaryif damaged.I had planned to glue everything together. Again, seems like a stupid question unless you need a wing repair. Gary's new "project"caused me to think of the issue. Seems like you would need more than4 nails tacked into both spars and the drag/anti drag wires and compression struts...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attaching ribs to spars question
I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but I am curious about rib attachment to the spars.I remember reading once that the ribs can be simply nailed to the sparsas they are held to the spars with the drag anti-drag wires and compression strutassembly. This makes it easier to replace broken ribs and spars as necessaryif damaged.I had planned to glue everything together. Again, seems like a stupid question unless you need a wing repair. Gary's new "project"caused me to think of the issue. Seems like you would need more than4 nails tacked into both spars and the drag/anti drag wires and compression struts...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attaching ribs to spars question
Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: "dwilson"
Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace projectgot infinitely easier without glued ribs!!GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:> > I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but I am curious about rib attachment to thespars. I remember reading once that the ribs can be simply nailed to the sparsas they are held to the spars with the drag anti-drag wires and compressionstrut assembly. This makes it easier to replace broken ribs and spars as necessaryif damaged.> > I had planned to glue everything together. > > Again, seems like a stupid question unless you need a wing repair. Gary's new"project" caused me to think of the issue. Seems like you would need more than4 nails tacked into both spars and the drag/anti drag wires and compressionstruts...> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 297#402297> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace projectgot infinitely easier without glued ribs!!GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:> > I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but I am curious about rib attachment to thespars. I remember reading once that the ribs can be simply nailed to the sparsas they are held to the spars with the drag anti-drag wires and compressionstrut assembly. This makes it easier to replace broken ribs and spars as necessaryif damaged.> > I had planned to glue everything together. > > Again, seems like a stupid question unless you need a wing repair. Gary's new"project" caused me to think of the issue. Seems like you would need more than4 nails tacked into both spars and the drag/anti drag wires and compressionstruts...> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 297#402297> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Once the fabric covering is applied and rib stitched where can that entire assemblyreally go anyway...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Once the fabric covering is applied and rib stitched where can that entire assemblyreally go anyway...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Thanks guys. It is good to know that they can just be tacked into place and holdjust fine. I had thought they needed to be glued, and I started thinking aboutit in light of your repair project Gary... So it's good to know for my futurebuild of the wing.Thanks!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Thanks guys. It is good to know that they can just be tacked into place and holdjust fine. I had thought they needed to be glued, and I started thinking aboutit in light of your repair project Gary... So it's good to know for my futurebuild of the wing.Thanks!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: riblett attack
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
[quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! Myspar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!Gary,But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???Just saying.....--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
[quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! Myspar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!Gary,But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???Just saying.....--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did notbreak. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on one sparwas the culprit! ;-)GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> > [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! Myspar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!> > Gary,> > But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???> Just saying.....> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 568#402568> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did notbreak. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on one sparwas the culprit! ;-)GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> > [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! Myspar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!> > Gary,> > But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???> Just saying.....> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 568#402568> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: Lion Mason
That came out a little harsh...sorry John! What I really mean to say is that, after completing and flying my plane, I am amazedby how little I know. If someone can explain how fastening the ribs to thespar will increase strength...I'm all ears!GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did notbreak. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on onespar was the culprit!
> > Gary> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> >> >> [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere!My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!>> >> Gary,>> >> But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???>> Just saying.....>> >> -------->> John Francis>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 568#402568> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
That came out a little harsh...sorry John! What I really mean to say is that, after completing and flying my plane, I am amazedby how little I know. If someone can explain how fastening the ribs to thespar will increase strength...I'm all ears!GarySent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did notbreak. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on onespar was the culprit!
> > Gary> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote:> >> >> [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere!My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!>> >> Gary,>> >> But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???>> Just saying.....>> >> -------->> John Francis>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 568#402568> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars questionPietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: "John Francis"
I thought that's what rib lacing is for. GardinerSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > That came out a little harsh...sorry John! > > What I really mean to say is that, after completing and flying my plane, I amamazed by how little I know. If someone can explain how fastening the ribs tothe spar will increase strength...I'm all ears!> > Gary> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> >> >> Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did notbreak. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on onespar was the culprit!>> >> Gary>> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >> On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote:>> >>> >>> [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere!My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!>>> >>> Gary,>>> >>> But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???>>> Just saying.....>>> >>> -------->>> John Francis>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here:>>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 568#402568> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
I thought that's what rib lacing is for. GardinerSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 12, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > That came out a little harsh...sorry John! > > What I really mean to say is that, after completing and flying my plane, I amamazed by how little I know. If someone can explain how fastening the ribs tothe spar will increase strength...I'm all ears!> > Gary> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> >> >> Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did notbreak. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on onespar was the culprit!
>> >> Gary>> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >> On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote:>> >>> >>> [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere!My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!!>>> >>> Gary,>>> >>> But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it???>>> Just saying.....>>> >>> -------->>> John Francis>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here:>>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 568#402568> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars questionRe: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Gary, I really have no idea what I'm talking about. How's the rebuild going?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Gary, I really have no idea what I'm talking about. How's the rebuild going?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Aluminum stamped ribs have a flange that you nail through to hold the rib in-placeon the wood spar. No glue. One can do the same with a wood rib to wood spar.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Aluminum stamped ribs have a flange that you nail through to hold the rib in-placeon the wood spar. No glue. One can do the same with a wood rib to wood spar.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
Beautiful pictures and plane! I love the clarity of the dials, great for an oldfart to read! I saved the info on the gauges and will order them. Now, how aboutsome detailed pictures of your 3-piece windscreen?Thanks,Ray Krause,SkyScout in progressSent from my iPadOn Jun 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "TriScout" wrote:> > ......added pic's (clearer).......end msg> > --------> L.Metzel > KLNC> A65-8> N2308C> AN Hardware> Airframe 712TT> W72CK-42 Sensenich> Standard Factory GN-1> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 823#402823> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Beautiful pictures and plane! I love the clarity of the dials, great for an oldfart to read! I saved the info on the gauges and will order them. Now, how aboutsome detailed pictures of your 3-piece windscreen?Thanks,Ray Krause,SkyScout in progressSent from my iPadOn Jun 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "TriScout" wrote:> > ......added pic's (clearer).......end msg> > --------> L.Metzel > KLNC> A65-8> N2308C> AN Hardware> Airframe 712TT> W72CK-42 Sensenich> Standard Factory GN-1> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 823#402823> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
That's interesting Keri Ann ... Wonder how much lighter the ribs are than a builtup rib. Naw... There I go again trying to change the plans.I'm starting the order list to get your tail wheel built that I bought plans for.Hoping the next time I get a job I can pinch a few bucks to buy the parts.Need the list first, and that doesn't cost me anything to plan out
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That's interesting Keri Ann ... Wonder how much lighter the ribs are than a builtup rib. Naw... There I go again trying to change the plans.I'm starting the order list to get your tail wheel built that I bought plans for.Hoping the next time I get a job I can pinch a few bucks to buy the parts.Need the list first, and that doesn't cost me anything to plan out
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