Original Posted By: "giacummo"
At a high velocity impact any hard object (your head) impacting a very narrow edgewith very low surface area will make that edge cut through plastic , rubberor any soft material. The best thing to do is to gave that edge more surface area like hemming it (foldingit back on itself) or cover the edge with an small diameter aluminum tubeto increase the surface area. A material it will not cut through. This willallow the material in back of the edge to act as a crumble zone an absorb theenergy.The padding over it will help too. Best to sit in your plane belted in and seewere the danger areas are by moving your body as if your were in a crash. Thenyou will have a good idea of what areas your head and body may contact thus addingsome protection there.Just my thoughts ~ WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: round tube wing struts
Pietenpol-List: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: V Groah
Hello folks, to vary a question about the subject.I am going to use round tubes for the wing struts, of course I search and readeverything I can, the replace option for the streaming ones used in the Piet areround tube with OD = 1 3/4" and 1.2 mm wall thikness (I do not remember whereI found this). now the question is other, I was looking the photo attachedhere and I plan to do something like that, but something is not very clear, asI see in the strut is an .. aluminium? block, and a bolt holding it.. just onebolt?. .. of what diameter? A4 or A5?... the other question is how long is theinside piece? is this piece threaded?.. and the diameter of the D2 bolt ? (ido not know how to name it).. Thank you in advance--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lowe ... __________
Hello folks, to vary a question about the subject.I am going to use round tubes for the wing struts, of course I search and readeverything I can, the replace option for the streaming ones used in the Piet areround tube with OD = 1 3/4" and 1.2 mm wall thikness (I do not remember whereI found this). now the question is other, I was looking the photo attachedhere and I plan to do something like that, but something is not very clear, asI see in the strut is an .. aluminium? block, and a bolt holding it.. just onebolt?. .. of what diameter? A4 or A5?... the other question is how long is theinside piece? is this piece threaded?.. and the diameter of the D2 bolt ? (ido not know how to name it).. Thank you in advance--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lowe ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Original Posted By: catdesigns(at)att.net
Dave=2CThere is a nice group of west coast Piet folks=2C most current builders=2C a great support group. There is an annual gathering and fly in at Frazier lake air park the first saturday in June each year. a great place to get information and fellowship. Welcome to the group=2C looking forward to your participation. Vic Tulare Ca NX414MV
Dave=2CThere is a nice group of west coast Piet folks=2C most current builders=2C a great support group. There is an annual gathering and fly in at Frazier lake air park the first saturday in June each year. a great place to get information and fellowship. Welcome to the group=2C looking forward to your participation. Vic Tulare Ca NX414MV
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Welcome Dave,I have a piet in Lancaster and there are a few others near by. You are welcometo come up and see mine anytime you wish. There is a lot of knowledge withinthis group. My wife grew up in Simi and went to Royal High. In fact she is going down todayto visit with her mother. Welcome aboard and enjoy the flight,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Welcome Dave,I have a piet in Lancaster and there are a few others near by. You are welcometo come up and see mine anytime you wish. There is a lot of knowledge withinthis group. My wife grew up in Simi and went to Royal High. In fact she is going down todayto visit with her mother. Welcome aboard and enjoy the flight,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Mario,I hope this helps. You might have to fix the links if they were broken onto multiplelines.I beleive what you are looking at is from Don Helsper. D2 is a J-3 cub WING STRUTADJUSTMENT FORK FAA/PMA'd. J-3 & PA-11. Replacement for 13770-00. Includes bolt, nut, cotter pin& jam nut. Measures 5/16" bolt hole. Measures 7/16" x 20 thread NF3.It can be seen herehttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ ... =394462The insert in the aluminum strut is a part from McMaster carr. It is either 7075or 6061 aluminum stock that is flat on each sideThis next paragraph is a post on this forum from dan Helsper and explains the insert.quote...Larry Williams has been flying his airplane with the aluminum Skytech struts foryears now. These are the same ones I put on my airplane. Advantage is less weight.If you don't want to attempt welding these (which I didn't) you have toinsert and attach the end fittings with AN bolts. I used 7075 aluminum rectangularbar stock for the end fittings McMaster Carr Supply # 9055K13 $48.38 for3 lineal feet. Worked great. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mario,I hope this helps. You might have to fix the links if they were broken onto multiplelines.I beleive what you are looking at is from Don Helsper. D2 is a J-3 cub WING STRUTADJUSTMENT FORK FAA/PMA'd. J-3 & PA-11. Replacement for 13770-00. Includes bolt, nut, cotter pin& jam nut. Measures 5/16" bolt hole. Measures 7/16" x 20 thread NF3.It can be seen herehttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ ... =394462The insert in the aluminum strut is a part from McMaster carr. It is either 7075or 6061 aluminum stock that is flat on each sideThis next paragraph is a post on this forum from dan Helsper and explains the insert.quote...Larry Williams has been flying his airplane with the aluminum Skytech struts foryears now. These are the same ones I put on my airplane. Advantage is less weight.If you don't want to attempt welding these (which I didn't) you have toinsert and attach the end fittings with AN bolts. I used 7075 aluminum rectangularbar stock for the end fittings McMaster Carr Supply # 9055K13 $48.38 for3 lineal feet. Worked great. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I had the pleasure of catching up with Pietenpol builder John Egan during the Piet fly-in at Brodhead and he's notonly making good progress in his shop but passing along good ideas like this one by submitting them to Sport Aviationwhere this one appeared in the August, 2013 issue. My Uncle Tony Bingelis would be proud John........Mike C. in Ohio[cid:image001.png(at)01CEB473.56F88790]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post
I had the pleasure of catching up with Pietenpol builder John Egan during the Piet fly-in at Brodhead and he's notonly making good progress in his shop but passing along good ideas like this one by submitting them to Sport Aviationwhere this one appeared in the August, 2013 issue. My Uncle Tony Bingelis would be proud John........Mike C. in Ohio[cid:image001.png(at)01CEB473.56F88790]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Vic-For the West Coast fly-in, the first Saturday in June 2014 is the 7th. Is thatthe correct date for Frazier Lake? I want to make it next year for sure. It'sabout 430 miles for me and Scout... a long day, probably 3 intermediate fuelstops and 4 hops that I'll make on Friday the 6th so as to have the full daythere on Saturday. If I get hung up in weather, I may need to make it part-wayon Friday and then arrive sometime mid-morning on Saturday.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Vic-For the West Coast fly-in, the first Saturday in June 2014 is the 7th. Is thatthe correct date for Frazier Lake? I want to make it next year for sure. It'sabout 430 miles for me and Scout... a long day, probably 3 intermediate fuelstops and 4 hops that I'll make on Friday the 6th so as to have the full daythere on Saturday. If I get hung up in weather, I may need to make it part-wayon Friday and then arrive sometime mid-morning on Saturday.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: Mario Giacummo
Mario,I assume you are talking about using chro-moly steel (4130) round tube, and not aluminum tube. The streamline tubing in the photo is an extruded aluminum shape. It is not recommended to weld aluminum that is to be used as a structural member, as it can significantly weaken the metal in the weld zone. That is the reason why there is an aluminum block inside, secured with bolts. When using steel, you have the advantage of being able to weld without compromising the strength of the tube. For the inner threaded part, you can purchase wing strut barrels http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/a ... ckkey=3621(Aircraft Spruce part no 05-05900), which can be welded into the ends of your steeltube struts.One point to consider, when using round tubes for your struts is that they willcreate a lot of drag. Round struts really are not aerodynamically "clean". You should give serious thought about adding some kind of fairings to streamlinethe tubes.Hope that helps.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mario,I assume you are talking about using chro-moly steel (4130) round tube, and not aluminum tube. The streamline tubing in the photo is an extruded aluminum shape. It is not recommended to weld aluminum that is to be used as a structural member, as it can significantly weaken the metal in the weld zone. That is the reason why there is an aluminum block inside, secured with bolts. When using steel, you have the advantage of being able to weld without compromising the strength of the tube. For the inner threaded part, you can purchase wing strut barrels http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/a ... ckkey=3621(Aircraft Spruce part no 05-05900), which can be welded into the ends of your steeltube struts.One point to consider, when using round tubes for your struts is that they willcreate a lot of drag. Round struts really are not aerodynamically "clean". You should give serious thought about adding some kind of fairings to streamlinethe tubes.Hope that helps.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Hello Good People,A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair. He wants to install a Continental.He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions formounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline.Advice is also appreciated.Ezra StilesSent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Hello Good People,A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair. He wants to install a Continental.He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions formounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline.Advice is also appreciated.Ezra StilesSent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I used balsa. I was able to find a source with 3/4" thick pieces. I laminated pairsof those together then routed out a cove for the steel tube. It was an easyproject to shave the balsa into a streamlined shape. Key was buying a cheaprazor blade plane at the local hobby shop for 5 bucks or so. Regular planes don'tlike balsa. Some varnish and then covered with fabric. Was easy and a lotcheaper than buying streamlined.On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote:> > Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'mlazy
> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 874#408874> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
I used balsa. I was able to find a source with 3/4" thick pieces. I laminated pairsof those together then routed out a cove for the steel tube. It was an easyproject to shave the balsa into a streamlined shape. Key was buying a cheaprazor blade plane at the local hobby shop for 5 bucks or so. Regular planes don'tlike balsa. Some varnish and then covered with fabric. Was easy and a lotcheaper than buying streamlined.On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote:> > Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'mlazy
> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 874#408874> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing strutsPietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Regarding the drag induced by round tubing, and the benefits of streamlining, checkout this article. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... amlineBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Regarding the drag induced by round tubing, and the benefits of streamlining, checkout this article. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... amlineBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "johnnysdrop"
Just something that may help you visualize the process.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Just something that may help you visualize the process.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
MarioWe are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builders andcan supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested?ReagrdsJohn TheronBuilding spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing--------The only way is UPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
MarioWe are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builders andcan supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested?ReagrdsJohn TheronBuilding spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing--------The only way is UPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "David"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing strutsimposible, I can't buy them there and bring it here.. to expensive.Anyway, thanky very much for the offer.Mario Giacummo2013/9/23 johnnysdrop > johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>>> Mario> We are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet> builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are> interested?> Reagrds> John Theron> Building spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing>> --------> The only way is UP>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing strutsimposible, I can't buy them there and bring it here.. to expensive.Anyway, thanky very much for the offer.Mario Giacummo2013/9/23 johnnysdrop > johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>>> Mario> We are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet> builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are> interested?> Reagrds> John Theron> Building spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing>> --------> The only way is UP>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi John,I import auto parts into the US from the UK and Europe - Maybe I couldarrange to bring some in for any folks interested? Can you give me some info regarding lengths and weights required for onePiet and I'll work on a shipping quote from there?If anyone is interested, please let me know so I can get a rough idea of thenumber of "kits" we'd be looking at.Would you also be able to advise on the specs of the tubing?Thanks, Dave-----Original Message-----
Hi John,I import auto parts into the US from the UK and Europe - Maybe I couldarrange to bring some in for any folks interested? Can you give me some info regarding lengths and weights required for onePiet and I'll work on a shipping quote from there?If anyone is interested, please let me know so I can get a rough idea of thenumber of "kits" we'd be looking at.Would you also be able to advise on the specs of the tubing?Thanks, Dave-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com
Mario=2C I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA determined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that they were OK but the FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. So he did and I bought the replaced struts. They are as sound as need be. If you can find a T craft owner who had to replace his struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought. Chuck
Mario=2C I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA determined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that they were OK but the FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. So he did and I bought the replaced struts. They are as sound as need be. If you can find a T craft owner who had to replace his struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought. Chuck
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: Andrea Vavassori
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Selection
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
I have a set of J3 struts that I'm planning on using. The fronts are larger thanthe rears. Does anyone think this could be a problem? I assume its best to usethe larger one up front???Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Sep 28, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Andrea Vavassori wrote:> > Hello Chuck,> > in data marted 24 settembre 2013, alle ore 0.33, hai scritto:> >> Mario, I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA>> determined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date>> had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that>> they were OK but the FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. >> So he did and I bought the replaced struts. They are as sound as>> need be. If you can find a T craft owner who had to replace his>> struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought.> > To further elaborate on this, PA-18 Super Cub has a similar AD and> this caused a lot of surplus/serviceable struts to appear. I have four> rear struts set aside for the Pietenpol, and the plan is to have them> slightly shortened while keeping the adjustable fork on the lower> attachment point.> > Bye!> > Andrea> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:07:53 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Selection
I have a set of J3 struts that I'm planning on using. The fronts are larger thanthe rears. Does anyone think this could be a problem? I assume its best to usethe larger one up front???Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Sep 28, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Andrea Vavassori wrote:> > Hello Chuck,> > in data marted 24 settembre 2013, alle ore 0.33, hai scritto:> >> Mario, I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA>> determined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date>> had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that>> they were OK but the FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. >> So he did and I bought the replaced struts. They are as sound as>> need be. If you can find a T craft owner who had to replace his>> struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought.> > To further elaborate on this, PA-18 Super Cub has a similar AD and> this caused a lot of surplus/serviceable struts to appear. I have four> rear struts set aside for the Pietenpol, and the plan is to have them> slightly shortened while keeping the adjustable fork on the lower> attachment point.> > Bye!> > Andrea> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:07:53 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Selection
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Jack, I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If itsdifferent I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is. LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:22:28 -0500
Jack, I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If itsdifferent I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is. LarryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:22:28 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Thanks LarrySent from my iPadJack TextorOn Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote:> > Jack,> I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If itsdifferent I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is.> Larry> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 437#409437> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks LarrySent from my iPadJack TextorOn Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote:> > Jack,> I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If itsdifferent I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is.> Larry> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 437#409437> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
J-3 Front struts are bigger than the rear struts, but they also have lugsfor the aileron cable fairleads welded in place. I was fortunate to findtwo sets of Cub struts. I used the 4 front struts for my Pietenpol (aftergrinding off those lugs) and sold the rear ones to Rick Holland for use onhis Pietenpol.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
J-3 Front struts are bigger than the rear struts, but they also have lugsfor the aileron cable fairleads welded in place. I was fortunate to findtwo sets of Cub struts. I used the 4 front struts for my Pietenpol (aftergrinding off those lugs) and sold the rear ones to Rick Holland for use onhis Pietenpol.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Larry Williams
Original Posted By: Scott Knowlton
Hi everyone , the new guy here... I am so enjoying reading all the posts and imgetting smarter every minute. I have been searching for builders in my area"Arkansas", and found Larry Williams in Lonoke Arkansas , which is only Hour orso away. I cant find any e-mail or phone for him , but would love to make contact,any help would be appreciated. I did get an email from Jim Markle fromEastern Oklahoma that I really appreciated, He said there was another builderthere close to him and I hope to get to visit with them sometime. Just tryingto gather all the info I can before I start glueing wood together. I thinkI will have to put some parts together soon , or Im gonna blow a gasket.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Larry Williams
Hi everyone , the new guy here... I am so enjoying reading all the posts and imgetting smarter every minute. I have been searching for builders in my area"Arkansas", and found Larry Williams in Lonoke Arkansas , which is only Hour orso away. I cant find any e-mail or phone for him , but would love to make contact,any help would be appreciated. I did get an email from Jim Markle fromEastern Oklahoma that I really appreciated, He said there was another builderthere close to him and I hope to get to visit with them sometime. Just tryingto gather all the info I can before I start glueing wood together. I thinkI will have to put some parts together soon , or Im gonna blow a gasket.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Larry Williams
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Try this: lnawms(at)yahoo.comHe's a great resource.Scott KnowltonBurlington Ontario Sent from my iPhone> On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:03 PM, "aviken" wrote:> > > Hi everyone , the new guy here... I am so enjoying reading all the posts andim getting smarter every minute. I have been searching for builders in my area"Arkansas", and found Larry Williams in Lonoke Arkansas , which is only Houror so away. I cant find any e-mail or phone for him , but would love to makecontact, any help would be appreciated. I did get an email from Jim Markle fromEastern Oklahoma that I really appreciated, He said there was another builderthere close to him and I hope to get to visit with them sometime. Just tryingto gather all the info I can before I start glueing wood together. I thinkI will have to put some parts together soon , or Im gonna blow a gasket.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 461#409461> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
Try this: lnawms(at)yahoo.comHe's a great resource.Scott KnowltonBurlington Ontario Sent from my iPhone> On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:03 PM, "aviken" wrote:> > > Hi everyone , the new guy here... I am so enjoying reading all the posts andim getting smarter every minute. I have been searching for builders in my area"Arkansas", and found Larry Williams in Lonoke Arkansas , which is only Houror so away. I cant find any e-mail or phone for him , but would love to makecontact, any help would be appreciated. I did get an email from Jim Markle fromEastern Oklahoma that I really appreciated, He said there was another builderthere close to him and I hope to get to visit with them sometime. Just tryingto gather all the info I can before I start glueing wood together. I thinkI will have to put some parts together soon , or Im gonna blow a gasket.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 461#409461> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Michael; are you talking about the cooling scoops/eyebrows? You can take a lookat this page to see what I've done, or am in progress of doing, on Scout:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine ... s.htmlThey attach to the engine in two places: at the top or inside, there is a mountingflange that secures to two of the engine case bolts. At the outside, theyattach to two of the rocker cover screws. Total of four mounting points pereyebrow. Let me know if you need any other info, but the pictures are informativeand as you can see, they are virtually identical to the scoops that are flyingon hundreds, if not thousands, of Cubs and their cousins. You can get anidea of the problem areas on these parts by looking at pictures of old scoops,like the ones here:http://www.piperads.com/ads/j3-cub-cool ... s/Anyplace you see stop-drilled cracks or doublers, that's a problem area. The scoopsget buffeted by propwash, leading to metal fatigue at the fastener connections.If you figure 2300 RPM for 1000 engine hours, two propeller blades willcreate an impulse 276 million times over that timespan. What's the fatiguelife of aluminum? Ten to the 7th cycles? ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Michael; are you talking about the cooling scoops/eyebrows? You can take a lookat this page to see what I've done, or am in progress of doing, on Scout:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine ... s.htmlThey attach to the engine in two places: at the top or inside, there is a mountingflange that secures to two of the engine case bolts. At the outside, theyattach to two of the rocker cover screws. Total of four mounting points pereyebrow. Let me know if you need any other info, but the pictures are informativeand as you can see, they are virtually identical to the scoops that are flyingon hundreds, if not thousands, of Cubs and their cousins. You can get anidea of the problem areas on these parts by looking at pictures of old scoops,like the ones here:http://www.piperads.com/ads/j3-cub-cool ... s/Anyplace you see stop-drilled cracks or doublers, that's a problem area. The scoopsget buffeted by propwash, leading to metal fatigue at the fastener connections.If you figure 2300 RPM for 1000 engine hours, two propeller blades willcreate an impulse 276 million times over that timespan. What's the fatiguelife of aluminum? Ten to the 7th cycles? ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
Original Posted By: "DOMIT"
Regarding streamlining for round tubes... how about some "drip edge" from the HomeDepot aviation department? Just squish the 90-degree bend flatter, attachit with glued on fabric. Not a perfect streamline shape, but light, simple,and inexpensive.--------Brad "DOMIT" SmithFirst rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
Regarding streamlining for round tubes... how about some "drip edge" from the HomeDepot aviation department? Just squish the 90-degree bend flatter, attachit with glued on fabric. Not a perfect streamline shape, but light, simple,and inexpensive.--------Brad "DOMIT" SmithFirst rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "braywood"
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RE: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Awesome! Another California Pietenpol builder.ChrisSacramento=2C CaWestcoastpiet.com
Awesome! Another California Pietenpol builder.ChrisSacramento=2C CaWestcoastpiet.com
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing strutsimposible=2C I can't buy them there and bring it here.. to expensive.=0A=0AAnyway=2C thanky very much for the offer.Mario Giacummo=0A2013/9/23 johnnysdrop =0A=0A.com>=0A=0AMario=0AWe are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested?=0AReagrds=0AJohn Theron=0ABuilding spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing=0A=0A--------=0AThe only way is UP=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409076#409076=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... 0A=0Ale=2C List Admin.=0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0 ... =====0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing strutsimposible=2C I can't buy them there and bring it here.. to expensive.=0A=0AAnyway=2C thanky very much for the offer.Mario Giacummo=0A2013/9/23 johnnysdrop =0A=0A.com>=0A=0AMario=0AWe are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested?=0AReagrds=0AJohn Theron=0ABuilding spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing=0A=0A--------=0AThe only way is UP=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409076#409076=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... 0A=0Ale=2C List Admin.=0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0 ... =====0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________