Original Posted By: shad bell
I've searched the forum and found bits and pieces of info on using a Scott tailwheel (Post by Jack Textor) with leaf springs a while ago.Is anyone actually using either of these tail wheels on their Piets?For those of you who are experts on Piets ... is there a solid reason why one wouldnot want to use either of these tail wheels?Looking for pictures of the installation if you have done this mod.many thanks,--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "tools"
Jim, Zeke here...my bird at Flying Circus today....my GN-1 has weird setup. Usethe Piet V bar & coil, a short 2-piece leaf and Scott wheel. Steers great, unlocks,however, the criss-cross cables through phenolic pulleys from rudder hornI DON'T like. I will send a pic.Sent from my iPadOn Sep 29, 2013, at 9:00 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote:> > I've searched the forum and found bits and pieces of info on using a Scott tailwheel (Post by Jack Textor) with leaf springs a while ago.> > Is anyone actually using either of these tail wheels on their Piets?> > For those of you who are experts on Piets ... is there a solid reason why onewould not want to use either of these tail wheels?> > Looking for pictures of the installation if you have done this mod.> > many thanks,> > --------> Jim McWhorter> N687MB (New Owner)> Culpeper, VA KCJR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 449#409449> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Jim, Zeke here...my bird at Flying Circus today....my GN-1 has weird setup. Usethe Piet V bar & coil, a short 2-piece leaf and Scott wheel. Steers great, unlocks,however, the criss-cross cables through phenolic pulleys from rudder hornI DON'T like. I will send a pic.Sent from my iPadOn Sep 29, 2013, at 9:00 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote:> > I've searched the forum and found bits and pieces of info on using a Scott tailwheel (Post by Jack Textor) with leaf springs a while ago.> > Is anyone actually using either of these tail wheels on their Piets?> > For those of you who are experts on Piets ... is there a solid reason why onewould not want to use either of these tail wheels?> > Looking for pictures of the installation if you have done this mod.> > many thanks,> > --------> Jim McWhorter> N687MB (New Owner)> Culpeper, VA KCJR> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 449#409449> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
I've got a Matco with leafs... is that similar? I'm about to mount it on a rebuilttail post, so could get some good pics of the whole installation if it isthe same.It's a great tailwheel, works perfectly and is very use friendly.Let me know.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:44:13 -0400
I've got a Matco with leafs... is that similar? I'm about to mount it on a rebuilttail post, so could get some good pics of the whole installation if it isthe same.It's a great tailwheel, works perfectly and is very use friendly.Let me know.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:44:13 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Don't know how far you will travel, but I am located in northeast Texas, about25 miles north of Tyler. If you would like to see my Piet before it gets covered,head on down. I am just beginning covering of the tail feathers, so comecheck it out any time. In my experience, there's nothing like seeing a Piet'sconstruction before covering.--------Robert CaldwellHolly Lake Ranch, TXHanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:59:09 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Don't know how far you will travel, but I am located in northeast Texas, about25 miles north of Tyler. If you would like to see my Piet before it gets covered,head on down. I am just beginning covering of the tail feathers, so comecheck it out any time. In my experience, there's nothing like seeing a Piet'sconstruction before covering.--------Robert CaldwellHolly Lake Ranch, TXHanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:59:09 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
My airplane has a Scott tailwheel with leaf springs. I believe the one I haveis the Model 2000, 6" solid rubber, steerable. I really like the setup and ittracks and steers perfectly. You can get an idea of what it looks like here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.htmlI can take closer pictures of the setup if you're interested.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:08:03 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
My airplane has a Scott tailwheel with leaf springs. I believe the one I haveis the Model 2000, 6" solid rubber, steerable. I really like the setup and ittracks and steers perfectly. You can get an idea of what it looks like here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.htmlI can take closer pictures of the setup if you're interested.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:08:03 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
'Aviken'-If you find Larry Williams, you'll have an excellent resource on the Pietenpol.You'll also have located the one known as "The Top Curmudgeon"... he pulls nopunches ;o)If you have found Jim Markle, you will have found one of the very best people onthis list. However, you may now be missing some tools from your shop. Justkidding, but to be on the safe side, guard your valuables when Jim is around;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:01:49 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
'Aviken'-If you find Larry Williams, you'll have an excellent resource on the Pietenpol.You'll also have located the one known as "The Top Curmudgeon"... he pulls nopunches ;o)If you have found Jim Markle, you will have found one of the very best people onthis list. However, you may now be missing some tools from your shop. Justkidding, but to be on the safe side, guard your valuables when Jim is around;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:01:49 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
I thought you all (y'all) might be interested in what I found when I went to make a repair on my tailpost. I had a tailwheel with a leaf spring that stuck out the back about 14 inches. I managed to do a ground loop while taxiing and the long tailwheel had enough leverage that it broke the tailpost when the tailwheel hit the edge of the taxiway. It didn't help that my tailpost had some rot in it.When I removed the fabric to make a 10 in. scarf joint in the longerons, much to my surprise there already were two scarf joints in the longerons! (see photo). The old ones were made horizontal with Resourcinal and looked good, so I made mine vertical (with West System).I bought this Piet as a project and uncovered the wing and tailfeathers, but didn't uncover the fuselage - should have. From some wear evidenced on some fuselage parts, I suspected it might have flown sometime in its life. Now I'm even more convinced of that, as it appears this is not the first tailpost failure for this ship.For those with this type of tailwheel, better keep it going straight (not a bad idea, huh?) Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
I thought you all (y'all) might be interested in what I found when I went to make a repair on my tailpost. I had a tailwheel with a leaf spring that stuck out the back about 14 inches. I managed to do a ground loop while taxiing and the long tailwheel had enough leverage that it broke the tailpost when the tailwheel hit the edge of the taxiway. It didn't help that my tailpost had some rot in it.When I removed the fabric to make a 10 in. scarf joint in the longerons, much to my surprise there already were two scarf joints in the longerons! (see photo). The old ones were made horizontal with Resourcinal and looked good, so I made mine vertical (with West System).I bought this Piet as a project and uncovered the wing and tailfeathers, but didn't uncover the fuselage - should have. From some wear evidenced on some fuselage parts, I suspected it might have flown sometime in its life. Now I'm even more convinced of that, as it appears this is not the first tailpost failure for this ship.For those with this type of tailwheel, better keep it going straight (not a bad idea, huh?) Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
You know, I think you're right, Ryan. There was even a thread about cooling eyebrows on the list a while back - even had a PDF of an eyebrow template:http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtop ... d5a29Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.comOn Sep 30, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> Dan,> > Wouldn't those be cooling eyebrows?> > On Monday, September 30, 2013, Dan Yocum wrote:>> Michael,>> >> Engine earmuffs? What are those? Those things for outboard boat motors to cycle water when they're run out-of-water?>> >> I think the phrase you're searching for is "eyebrow scoops." >> >> Dan>> >> -- >> Dan Yocum>> yocum137(at)gmail.com>> >> On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Michael Perez wrote:>> >>> >>> Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabrication of the "ear muffs" for the engine. Rather than try and search around for pictures on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ear muff pictures here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the various ways they are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the engine, size, etc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches used, (to reduce cracking) spark plug wire holes/locations, etc. How about internal baffles?>>> >>> Any photos and or advice would be greatly appreciated. As we approach a government shut down, I may have a lot of time on my hands and getting these made would be some good progress.>>> >>> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.>>> Michael Perez>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos>>> Karetaker Aero>>> www.karetakeraero.com>>> >>> >>> =========>>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>> =========>>> cs.com>>> =========>>> matronics.com/contribution>>> =========>>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> > > > -- > Sent from my mobile> Ryan Mueller> ryan(at)rmueller.org> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:37:44 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
You know, I think you're right, Ryan. There was even a thread about cooling eyebrows on the list a while back - even had a PDF of an eyebrow template:http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtop ... d5a29Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.comOn Sep 30, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> Dan,> > Wouldn't those be cooling eyebrows?> > On Monday, September 30, 2013, Dan Yocum wrote:>> Michael,>> >> Engine earmuffs? What are those? Those things for outboard boat motors to cycle water when they're run out-of-water?>> >> I think the phrase you're searching for is "eyebrow scoops." >> >> Dan>> >> -- >> Dan Yocum>> yocum137(at)gmail.com>> >> On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Michael Perez wrote:>> >>> >>> Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabrication of the "ear muffs" for the engine. Rather than try and search around for pictures on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ear muff pictures here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the various ways they are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the engine, size, etc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches used, (to reduce cracking) spark plug wire holes/locations, etc. How about internal baffles?>>> >>> Any photos and or advice would be greatly appreciated. As we approach a government shut down, I may have a lot of time on my hands and getting these made would be some good progress.>>> >>> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.>>> Michael Perez>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos>>> Karetaker Aero>>> www.karetakeraero.com>>> >>> >>> =========>>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>> =========>>> cs.com>>> =========>>> matronics.com/contribution>>> =========>>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> > > > -- > Sent from my mobile> Ryan Mueller> ryan(at)rmueller.org> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:37:44 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
RE: Pietenpol-List: Ear Muff Fab.
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
These ear muffs have worked good for me.Gary BootheNX308MB
These ear muffs have worked good for me.Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal
Original Posted By: "l.morlock"
Whew, at least you aren't proposing to eat children as a substitute for potatoes.My apologies to Jonathan Swift.
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Whew, at least you aren't proposing to eat children as a substitute for potatoes.My apologies to Jonathan Swift.
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Rick, I didn't quite do that but came close. I glued two more longeron-size lengths of spruce on the inside, plus a gusset on the bottom. Larry ----- Original Message -----
Rick, I didn't quite do that but came close. I glued two more longeron-size lengths of spruce on the inside, plus a gusset on the bottom. Larry ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I agree with Rick, Larry. When I had a forced landing in my Piet, theensuing groundloop cracked the right lower longeron. I ended up going awayfrom the leaf spring tailwheel to the BHP A-Arm desgn, and glued a wedge ofspruce in between the lower longerons with plywood doublers top and bottom,as shown in the pictures below:Here I've glued the spruce wedge (with lightening holes) in place betweenthe lower longerons. Note that when I removed the plywood doubler along thetailpost, none of the glue joints failed, but the wood tore. This was gluedwith resorcinol.Here is the finished repair, before covering.The damage done by the twisting of the leaf spring in a groundloop convincedme to go to the A-Arm design. I think that design would tear away before itwould cause such damage to the fuselage.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
I agree with Rick, Larry. When I had a forced landing in my Piet, theensuing groundloop cracked the right lower longeron. I ended up going awayfrom the leaf spring tailwheel to the BHP A-Arm desgn, and glued a wedge ofspruce in between the lower longerons with plywood doublers top and bottom,as shown in the pictures below:Here I've glued the spruce wedge (with lightening holes) in place betweenthe lower longerons. Note that when I removed the plywood doubler along thetailpost, none of the glue joints failed, but the wood tore. This was gluedwith resorcinol.Here is the finished repair, before covering.The damage done by the twisting of the leaf spring in a groundloop convincedme to go to the A-Arm design. I think that design would tear away before itwould cause such damage to the fuselage.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
well I made another fun flight in my GN-1 this afternoon about 45 minutes beforedark. followed by the smoothest landing I have even made in it. (could be partlydue to a very weak bungee on the right side. by the time I turned at thehangar and shut down the leg was splayed out pretty bad. I had thought I wouldgo to coil springs on them but as the time to fly just has not been that muchand I feel pretty comfortable with the Cub gear as it is. I just need to findthe lowest price but timely delivery source and get some in and change them.havingnever done it I am not at all sure what I need.I seem to remember 1080?as a strength rating but that may have been on my old Tri-pacer I used to have.anygood recommendations? I looked up Chief aircraft and have ordered from themin the past but figured this would be a good place to ask first. thanks. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
well I made another fun flight in my GN-1 this afternoon about 45 minutes beforedark. followed by the smoothest landing I have even made in it. (could be partlydue to a very weak bungee on the right side. by the time I turned at thehangar and shut down the leg was splayed out pretty bad. I had thought I wouldgo to coil springs on them but as the time to fly just has not been that muchand I feel pretty comfortable with the Cub gear as it is. I just need to findthe lowest price but timely delivery source and get some in and change them.havingnever done it I am not at all sure what I need.I seem to remember 1080?as a strength rating but that may have been on my old Tri-pacer I used to have.anygood recommendations? I looked up Chief aircraft and have ordered from themin the past but figured this would be a good place to ask first. thanks. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
PineyMBWhat a brilliantly simple approach to adding an elevator trim tab. Do you otherDIY pictures of how you ran the cable and the elevator trim tab control mechanism?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
PineyMBWhat a brilliantly simple approach to adding an elevator trim tab. Do you otherDIY pictures of how you ran the cable and the elevator trim tab control mechanism?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
In the 3K range on Barnstormers. He has 1K worth or spruce spars alone. Sent from my iPhone> On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "Marcus Zechini" wrote:> > Did he mention a price? I may not have scoured email thoroughly...> >> On Oct 1, 2013 8:36 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote:il.com>>> >> I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in barnstormers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar about the gear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for anyone who is contemplating building and hasn't begun yet.>> >> Scott Knowlton>> Burlington>> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >> > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote:>> >m>>> >>> > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too.>> >>> > -------->> > Oscar Zuniga>> > Medford, OR>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">> > A75 power>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Read this topic online here:>> >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 498#409498>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ==========>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> le, List Admin.>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========>> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
In the 3K range on Barnstormers. He has 1K worth or spruce spars alone. Sent from my iPhone> On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "Marcus Zechini" wrote:> > Did he mention a price? I may not have scoured email thoroughly...> >> On Oct 1, 2013 8:36 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote:il.com>>> >> I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in barnstormers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar about the gear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for anyone who is contemplating building and hasn't begun yet.>> >> Scott Knowlton>> Burlington>> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >> > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote:>> >m>>> >>> > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too.>> >>> > -------->> > Oscar Zuniga>> > Medford, OR>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">> > A75 power>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Read this topic online here:>> >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 498#409498>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ==========>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> le, List Admin.>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========>> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I did not build my Piet. This is my first venture into 'amateur' built airplanescoming from a position of only flying production aircraft. One tends to takea lot for granted in the world of production birds that I am learning you cantdo in Piets. Having read the last couple of posts.My fun meter is swayingmore towards the Scott 2000 (6) instead of the Scott 3200 (8). Here is whatI think Ive have gleaned out of the posts in this thread. Please correct anymisgivings I have below.(1) If one adds a leaf spring to the tail wheel it logically extends the sizeof the three-point foot print by as much as 14 inches. Is this a good thingor a bad thing for a Piet?(a) Has anyone figured out how to mount the Scott 2000 to the a-frame that thelittle Piet tail wheel is attached to? Is there a reason why one would NOTwant to do this?(2) Folks are using the Scott 2000. I think I am going that way as well. TailDragswrote that with the skid, Piets can get closer to a 3-point attitudefor landing that produces the slowest landing speed and shorter roll-out. So,I get the impression that adding the Scott 2000 will decrease the 3-point attitudewhich results in a little faster landing speed and longer roll-out. Isthe difference significant?(a) Kinda off topic For those of you who wheel land their Piets what are yourV-speeds for final and touch down? (3) rags stuffed into a tire inner tube. That is creative! Thanks everyone for your thoughts!--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I did not build my Piet. This is my first venture into 'amateur' built airplanescoming from a position of only flying production aircraft. One tends to takea lot for granted in the world of production birds that I am learning you cantdo in Piets. Having read the last couple of posts.My fun meter is swayingmore towards the Scott 2000 (6) instead of the Scott 3200 (8). Here is whatI think Ive have gleaned out of the posts in this thread. Please correct anymisgivings I have below.(1) If one adds a leaf spring to the tail wheel it logically extends the sizeof the three-point foot print by as much as 14 inches. Is this a good thingor a bad thing for a Piet?(a) Has anyone figured out how to mount the Scott 2000 to the a-frame that thelittle Piet tail wheel is attached to? Is there a reason why one would NOTwant to do this?(2) Folks are using the Scott 2000. I think I am going that way as well. TailDragswrote that with the skid, Piets can get closer to a 3-point attitudefor landing that produces the slowest landing speed and shorter roll-out. So,I get the impression that adding the Scott 2000 will decrease the 3-point attitudewhich results in a little faster landing speed and longer roll-out. Isthe difference significant?(a) Kinda off topic For those of you who wheel land their Piets what are yourV-speeds for final and touch down? (3) rags stuffed into a tire inner tube. That is creative! Thanks everyone for your thoughts!--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
GuysDon't use the inflatable tail wheel, I did use it and I replaced the inner tube every other month. I just ordered a solid tail wheel.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
GuysDon't use the inflatable tail wheel, I did use it and I replaced the inner tube every other month. I just ordered a solid tail wheel.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "g. doe"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Jack,Food for thoughtBack in 2011 I promised I would find Don Harper some 'cycle (spoken like a southerner)wheels for his now flying Piet. He wanted 19" aluminum wheels with 40spokes. Two days after returning from CC 19 I acquired 4 suitable wheels ata bone yard. They are front wheels from the 1981 Kawasaki KZ 650 CSR. Two setsof 48 Spokes are coming from Buchanan's as I write this. The wheels fromthe bone yard were $75 per pair. Don emptied the hubs and pressed in bronze bushingsfor me. The new spokes are coming in at $337.00 Don simply cleaned hisin a media blast cabinet. No wonder these guys can build flying planes for$6800. Don has brakes on his.Just to add: Don Harper and PF Beck are the hosts of Corvair College 27 comingup in November in Barnwell SC. You might recall these are the two builders ofnear identical Piets with two different wing foils.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Jack,Food for thoughtBack in 2011 I promised I would find Don Harper some 'cycle (spoken like a southerner)wheels for his now flying Piet. He wanted 19" aluminum wheels with 40spokes. Two days after returning from CC 19 I acquired 4 suitable wheels ata bone yard. They are front wheels from the 1981 Kawasaki KZ 650 CSR. Two setsof 48 Spokes are coming from Buchanan's as I write this. The wheels fromthe bone yard were $75 per pair. Don emptied the hubs and pressed in bronze bushingsfor me. The new spokes are coming in at $337.00 Don simply cleaned hisin a media blast cabinet. No wonder these guys can build flying planes for$6800. Don has brakes on his.Just to add: Don Harper and PF Beck are the hosts of Corvair College 27 comingup in November in Barnwell SC. You might recall these are the two builders ofnear identical Piets with two different wing foils.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
OK,A couple folks say that the inflatable 8" wheel is not spiffy (unless you havea spare tube or a bag full of rags
)There is a lot of support for the Scott 2000 solid rubber tire.Is anyone actually using the 8" inflatable tail wheel? Are you happy with it?Any second thoughts if you were to do it all over again?Ref final approach speed ....60 mph is the number I use for touch down. To meit seems a little fast. My Maule would wheel on at 55-60. I would have thoughtthe Piet could be slower...but the Piet does have a lot more drag than myMaule.Is there a thread that talks about V-speeds? This seems off topic for tail wheels....butsome what related.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
OK,A couple folks say that the inflatable 8" wheel is not spiffy (unless you havea spare tube or a bag full of rags
)There is a lot of support for the Scott 2000 solid rubber tire.Is anyone actually using the 8" inflatable tail wheel? Are you happy with it?Any second thoughts if you were to do it all over again?Ref final approach speed ....60 mph is the number I use for touch down. To meit seems a little fast. My Maule would wheel on at 55-60. I would have thoughtthe Piet could be slower...but the Piet does have a lot more drag than myMaule.Is there a thread that talks about V-speeds? This seems off topic for tail wheels....butsome what related.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT)Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "bradandlinda tds.net"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
Airspeed was 70ish mph--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Airspeed was 70ish mph--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Hi Dick,I read you post about spring tension with great interest....Still being a newbie with my Piet ... I find that I am the situation you describein your post. Doing calm wind full power takeoffs on pavement, - the Piettracks true. But the moment the tail starts flying - the Piet wants to veerright -- takes a lot of left rudder to get it back on track. I associate thatwith P-Factor generated by my O-200. Does this sound right? Wheel landings on calm wind days seem to be the same process in reverse. I wheelin at 60 with 1200 rpm. Once the wheels are planted - i slowly back off onthe power and allow the tail to just come down on its on. However - the momentthe tail wheel touches - its the rudder dance.I stressed 'calm wind days' as I am not ready for cross winds in the Piet justyet.Looking at my tail wheel (see attached) I don't have a castering tail wheel - soI am not sure that spring tension is my problem?Are your comments based on the spring tension with a castering tail wheel?I read up on tail wheel castering on a few other forums ... seems there are anumber of pilots that take the springs/cables off and free-wheel using brakesto steer. Anybody free wheeling with their Piet's?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n687 ... __________
Hi Dick,I read you post about spring tension with great interest....Still being a newbie with my Piet ... I find that I am the situation you describein your post. Doing calm wind full power takeoffs on pavement, - the Piettracks true. But the moment the tail starts flying - the Piet wants to veerright -- takes a lot of left rudder to get it back on track. I associate thatwith P-Factor generated by my O-200. Does this sound right? Wheel landings on calm wind days seem to be the same process in reverse. I wheelin at 60 with 1200 rpm. Once the wheels are planted - i slowly back off onthe power and allow the tail to just come down on its on. However - the momentthe tail wheel touches - its the rudder dance.I stressed 'calm wind days' as I am not ready for cross winds in the Piet justyet.Looking at my tail wheel (see attached) I don't have a castering tail wheel - soI am not sure that spring tension is my problem?Are your comments based on the spring tension with a castering tail wheel?I read up on tail wheel castering on a few other forums ... seems there are anumber of pilots that take the springs/cables off and free-wheel using brakesto steer. Anybody free wheeling with their Piet's?--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n687 ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
JimYes that sounds pretty true, the one thing to check is are your rudder and tail wheel aligned when the plane is sitting on the ground. The other thing to check is the wing trim, bring the tail up to level and you take a digital level and measure the angle at the cabane struts on both sides then check at the wing tips make sure that the readings are .5 degrees less than at the base.Next question, yes I have a castoring tail wheel it is a spring type, I think the springs are very important.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
JimYes that sounds pretty true, the one thing to check is are your rudder and tail wheel aligned when the plane is sitting on the ground. The other thing to check is the wing trim, bring the tail up to level and you take a digital level and measure the angle at the cabane struts on both sides then check at the wing tips make sure that the readings are .5 degrees less than at the base.Next question, yes I have a castoring tail wheel it is a spring type, I think the springs are very important.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: bungees
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungees
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungees
Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Jim,What you are describing regarding take offs and landings is exactly how it shouldfeel. The airplane is doing what it is supposed to do. There is nothing tofix. I hate to see you spend a bunch of time trying to fix something that isnot broken. That said, get someone who is familiar with flying piets or cubsto to verify that the airplane is fine. If there is something truly wrong thenhe should be able to head you in the proper direction. The airspeeds youare giving are fast also. I suspect that either the indicator is not readingcorrectly or you are just landing it too fast. Have you gone out and done anyslow flight work or stalls with the plane. See what airspeed it indicates whenit stalls power off. If you are uncomfortable with doing that, I again sayhave someone else fly it for input. That airplane has been flying for many years. it is hard for me to believe thatit as poor handling qualities. I am not trying to sound a rough on you, butI don't want to see you spend time fixing something that is not broken. Worseyet, have you change something while experimenting and hurt yourself or the plane.Very respectfully,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Jim,What you are describing regarding take offs and landings is exactly how it shouldfeel. The airplane is doing what it is supposed to do. There is nothing tofix. I hate to see you spend a bunch of time trying to fix something that isnot broken. That said, get someone who is familiar with flying piets or cubsto to verify that the airplane is fine. If there is something truly wrong thenhe should be able to head you in the proper direction. The airspeeds youare giving are fast also. I suspect that either the indicator is not readingcorrectly or you are just landing it too fast. Have you gone out and done anyslow flight work or stalls with the plane. See what airspeed it indicates whenit stalls power off. If you are uncomfortable with doing that, I again sayhave someone else fly it for input. That airplane has been flying for many years. it is hard for me to believe thatit as poor handling qualities. I am not trying to sound a rough on you, butI don't want to see you spend time fixing something that is not broken. Worseyet, have you change something while experimenting and hurt yourself or the plane.Very respectfully,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Original Posted By: "GNflyer"
Chief aircraft is where I get my bungee's from. Is there anything in your logbookthat indicates a part number for you? There are a lot of different sizesto choose from. Mine seem to last 3 to 4 years. Then they start sagging. Goodluck find the proper ones.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Chief aircraft is where I get my bungee's from. Is there anything in your logbookthat indicates a part number for you? There are a lot of different sizesto choose from. Mine seem to last 3 to 4 years. Then they start sagging. Goodluck find the proper ones.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
there definitely is a little. I tried to correct it while I was finishing up assemblingthe gear on the fuse early on. did get it better but it does have some.I have always figured a little toe out is preferable to toe In on a conventionalgear. but the bungees are definitely failing. after removing the strut twas very evident that the outer one had several places tat are shrunken in alot under the wrapping have new ones coming now from A/S and hope in the nextcouple days to get a tool rigged up to install them. D.J. had them put on severalyears ago and they sat in the Arizona heat quite a while before I bought theproject and I have had it at least 6 or 7 years or more. it is amazing howtime passes.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
there definitely is a little. I tried to correct it while I was finishing up assemblingthe gear on the fuse early on. did get it better but it does have some.I have always figured a little toe out is preferable to toe In on a conventionalgear. but the bungees are definitely failing. after removing the strut twas very evident that the outer one had several places tat are shrunken in alot under the wrapping have new ones coming now from A/S and hope in the nextcouple days to get a tool rigged up to install them. D.J. had them put on severalyears ago and they sat in the Arizona heat quite a while before I bought theproject and I have had it at least 6 or 7 years or more. it is amazing howtime passes.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Sounds like you are on the right track. You are correct about the toe out. Thewheels should either be straight or a little toed out. If toed in the planewill ground loop very easily. Not a good thing. Let us know how it goes.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:38:07 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Sounds like you are on the right track. You are correct about the toe out. Thewheels should either be straight or a little toed out. If toed in the planewill ground loop very easily. Not a good thing. Let us know how it goes.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:38:07 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Original Posted By: "Fun2av8"
If by "no-gap ailerons" you mean installing the ailerons using full-span pianohinges, my guess is that the majority of Piets that are being constructed todayare using that method and a good number of flying Piets have them as well. My airplane has them. I think everyone agrees that they improve control responsiveness.Same for your question about steerable tailwheels. I think I can safely say thattail skids are in the minority and fixed or free-castoring tailwheels are too.Having the tailwheel steerable improves ground handling but it does add anextra set of cables and control horns to the tail of the airplane. Cuttinginto your useful load ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
If by "no-gap ailerons" you mean installing the ailerons using full-span pianohinges, my guess is that the majority of Piets that are being constructed todayare using that method and a good number of flying Piets have them as well. My airplane has them. I think everyone agrees that they improve control responsiveness.Same for your question about steerable tailwheels. I think I can safely say thattail skids are in the minority and fixed or free-castoring tailwheels are too.Having the tailwheel steerable improves ground handling but it does add anextra set of cables and control horns to the tail of the airplane. Cuttinginto your useful load ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Higher Useful Load
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I checkef the tail wheel alignment against the rudder and found that the tail wheelis around 3 degrees off center. Looking at how far it is off explainedthose nasty little side trips that the Pete wants to take when the tail wheeltouches down. I need to put turnbuckles on the cables that attach to the tailwheel so I can center the tail wheel.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:50:01 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Higher Useful Load
I checkef the tail wheel alignment against the rudder and found that the tail wheelis around 3 degrees off center. Looking at how far it is off explainedthose nasty little side trips that the Pete wants to take when the tail wheeltouches down. I need to put turnbuckles on the cables that attach to the tailwheel so I can center the tail wheel.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:50:01 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Higher Useful Load
Re: Pietenpol-List: Higher Useful Load
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Higher Useful Load
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Higher Useful Load
Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Selection
Original Posted By: "A Future Pilot"
@nightmare I meant climb performance and stall speed, not maximum structural limitations.I realized that that's probably where the confusion was coming from.So it sounds like 1250 gross is safe, and if I build to 750 or lighter, that'llgive me a solid 500 pounds useful load, which should be plenty!Thank you all for your help! Now I just gotta save up some money to buy the plans:)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Selection
@nightmare I meant climb performance and stall speed, not maximum structural limitations.I realized that that's probably where the confusion was coming from.So it sounds like 1250 gross is safe, and if I build to 750 or lighter, that'llgive me a solid 500 pounds useful load, which should be plenty!Thank you all for your help! Now I just gotta save up some money to buy the plans:)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Selection
Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Original Posted By: "GNflyer"
Just today I heard of someone with an O-320 on theirs here in KY. I was told hehad done a lot of modifications to it to allow for that. I'm not sure if he'son this mailing list, or if any of you have heard anything about it.But generally a Corvair or O-200 is about as big as makes sense for a Pietenpol.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees
Just today I heard of someone with an O-320 on theirs here in KY. I was told hehad done a lot of modifications to it to allow for that. I'm not sure if he'son this mailing list, or if any of you have heard anything about it.But generally a Corvair or O-200 is about as big as makes sense for a Pietenpol.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungees