Original Posted By: "aviken"
Ray,Kerri Ann has the Johnson type indicator Kits available. It is light weight, easyto see and looks cool. I have one similar on my plane. Dad made it backin the 70's, very simple and mine has been calibrated by hanging it out the windowof our old 1962 Pontiac station wagon back in the day. It also doesn't takeup any precious panel space.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Has anyone ever considered converting an old Jeep engine to use in the piet. Reason I ask is I have a couple of them and they would be close to the weightand horsepower of the ford, but with a little more modern innards. Things likeinsert bearings, pressure oil in the right places. I hope this isn't a stupidquestion . Just trying to find the specs on the jeep , and It may run ata higher rpm to develop the 60 hp that it claims to have.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Has anyone ever considered converting an old Jeep engine to use in the piet. Reason I ask is I have a couple of them and they would be close to the weightand horsepower of the ford, but with a little more modern innards. Things likeinsert bearings, pressure oil in the right places. I hope this isn't a stupidquestion . Just trying to find the specs on the jeep , and It may run ata higher rpm to develop the 60 hp that it claims to have.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Brian,I haven't seen that plane before. It has two different people on the registration.WHIDDEN CM and BOGGS JF . I wonder if either of those two live in yourarea. I also find it very strange that it is in the Exhibition Category. Thatmeans that whoever flies it needs to get approval from the FSDO office to takeit anywhere. It is the same category that they (FSDO) typically put old warbirds in. Have you checked with the FBO that is responsible for those tie downspots? They should know who is paying the tie down for it. I sure hope they get it indoors before the snow hits. The owner should providesun glasses to anyone who looks at it. It has a very bright paint scheme. Good luck in your search and be sure to let us know what you find out.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Brian,I haven't seen that plane before. It has two different people on the registration.WHIDDEN CM and BOGGS JF . I wonder if either of those two live in yourarea. I also find it very strange that it is in the Exhibition Category. Thatmeans that whoever flies it needs to get approval from the FSDO office to takeit anywhere. It is the same category that they (FSDO) typically put old warbirds in. Have you checked with the FBO that is responsible for those tie downspots? They should know who is paying the tie down for it. I sure hope they get it indoors before the snow hits. The owner should providesun glasses to anyone who looks at it. It has a very bright paint scheme. Good luck in your search and be sure to let us know what you find out.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
According to this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_Go_Devil_engine , the engine put out its rated 60HP at 4000 RPM. However, like so many other things that have been around for a long time, there is a vast array of aftermarket parts and hop-ups that have been done to the engine. I have not heard of this one having been used on a Piet... yet. It wouldn't surprise me if it's been tried, though.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
According to this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_Go_Devil_engine , the engine put out its rated 60HP at 4000 RPM. However, like so many other things that have been around for a long time, there is a vast array of aftermarket parts and hop-ups that have been done to the engine. I have not heard of this one having been used on a Piet... yet. It wouldn't surprise me if it's been tried, though.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wheel lacing 101
Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Bob---you did a beautiful job lacing your rims to your hubs and the result looks great. It was a little tedious getting the hang of lacing butonce you get one wheel figured out the next wheel goes a lot faster. Guess that could be said for every duplicated part on the Pietenpol orany project with repetition. Second wing went together way easier and faster than the first wing....etc.Thanks for sharing the photos!Mike C. in Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wheel lacing 101
Bob---you did a beautiful job lacing your rims to your hubs and the result looks great. It was a little tedious getting the hang of lacing butonce you get one wheel figured out the next wheel goes a lot faster. Guess that could be said for every duplicated part on the Pietenpol orany project with repetition. Second wing went together way easier and faster than the first wing....etc.Thanks for sharing the photos!Mike C. in Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wheel lacing 101
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: "aviken"
Mark just was given a nice write up on William Wynne's Blog, www.flycorvair.net. If you want to see a nice picture of Mark's workmanship, go take a look there. Thought I would pass it along to the non-Corvair types.Nice workmanship, Mark. You motivated me to get some work done on my project assoon as I get home.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Mark just was given a nice write up on William Wynne's Blog, www.flycorvair.net. If you want to see a nice picture of Mark's workmanship, go take a look there. Thought I would pass it along to the non-Corvair types.Nice workmanship, Mark. You motivated me to get some work done on my project assoon as I get home.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Pietenpol-List: Re: Mark Chouinard, you are famous!
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
The Jeep engine I had in mind was the flathead model that came in about a 1947mod jeep that we owned at one time. It was an old ex military jeep. I also havesimilar jeep with the same motor in it now. I was just curious if anyone hadtried to make them work.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mark Chouinard, you are famous!
The Jeep engine I had in mind was the flathead model that came in about a 1947mod jeep that we owned at one time. It was an old ex military jeep. I also havesimilar jeep with the same motor in it now. I was just curious if anyone hadtried to make them work.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mark Chouinard, you are famous!
Original Posted By: Bill Princell
Thanks Terry... I hope to get out there and get some work done this weekend.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Terry... I hope to get out there and get some work done this weekend.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
hi again, after a somewhat cursory search on line two things stand out about the134 cu in "go-devil" L-head motor. one, it makes 106 ft/lbs of torque @ 2000RPM,that equates to 40 HP. if memory serves that is the same as a stock model-A.two,the jeep motor is physically small.so, ignoring the fact that as faras i can tell nobody has hung one on an airplane. the real question is what doesit weigh? and is there anything i can do to help?________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
hi again, after a somewhat cursory search on line two things stand out about the134 cu in "go-devil" L-head motor. one, it makes 106 ft/lbs of torque @ 2000RPM,that equates to 40 HP. if memory serves that is the same as a stock model-A.two,the jeep motor is physically small.so, ignoring the fact that as faras i can tell nobody has hung one on an airplane. the real question is what doesit weigh? and is there anything i can do to help?________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Re: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
apparently the path to the future isn't paved with enthusiasm. I'm out.________________________________________________________________________________
apparently the path to the future isn't paved with enthusiasm. I'm out.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: tail wheel adjustment
Original Posted By: "GNflyer"
Mike,I think this is just an option that hasn't been considered before. I'm not sure why, there were certainly plenty of these engines around at one time (I drove a surplus 1947 Willys jeep that had the engine you are interested in back in the 80's when I worked for the USGS).Kip GardnerOn Oct 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Michael Weston wrote:> >>> apparently the path to the future isn't paved with enthusiasm. I'm > out.>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tail wheel adjustment
Mike,I think this is just an option that hasn't been considered before. I'm not sure why, there were certainly plenty of these engines around at one time (I drove a surplus 1947 Willys jeep that had the engine you are interested in back in the 80's when I worked for the USGS).Kip GardnerOn Oct 19, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Michael Weston wrote:> >>> apparently the path to the future isn't paved with enthusiasm. I'm > out.>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tail wheel adjustment
Original Posted By: Steve Ruse
Goo looking airplane. but looks like you sit pretty high in there-just wonderingif you get an excessive amount of wind to the face.-looks like the windshieldquits about halfway up the height of your forehead.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:16:25 -0500
Goo looking airplane. but looks like you sit pretty high in there-just wonderingif you get an excessive amount of wind to the face.-looks like the windshieldquits about halfway up the height of your forehead.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:16:25 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Thanks for all the discussion on the possibility of a Jeep engine being tried ona piet. I just threw this out originally to see if it had been tried before.It may not work for many reasons , or it may work fine, but maybe I should havehad a little more information on my end before I asked the question.Therefore since I own said engine and since I like tinkering on old engines, Iwill re-build , mount a prop, and see what it will do. At least then I cancome back to this forum with a little bit of data and not just the wonderings ofa newbie.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks for all the discussion on the possibility of a Jeep engine being tried ona piet. I just threw this out originally to see if it had been tried before.It may not work for many reasons , or it may work fine, but maybe I should havehad a little more information on my end before I asked the question.Therefore since I own said engine and since I like tinkering on old engines, Iwill re-build , mount a prop, and see what it will do. At least then I cancome back to this forum with a little bit of data and not just the wonderings ofa newbie.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: "Steve Ruse"
Just remember Steve, little girls grow up to be teenage girls with lots of girlfriends. These teenage girlfriends will all want to go for airplane rides.Your teenage daughters will then go to college and join sororities. All of their sorority sisters will be very enthusiastic about going for airplane rides.The Pietenpol ROCKS more than any other airplane for giving rides. Think carefully before you sell your Air Camper and lose these opportunities.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Just remember Steve, little girls grow up to be teenage girls with lots of girlfriends. These teenage girlfriends will all want to go for airplane rides.Your teenage daughters will then go to college and join sororities. All of their sorority sisters will be very enthusiastic about going for airplane rides.The Pietenpol ROCKS more than any other airplane for giving rides. Think carefully before you sell your Air Camper and lose these opportunities.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Absolutely; that's the right attitude. Turn the Willys engine around, see aboutfitting it with a prop hub and magneto, put it on those ash engine bearers,then see what it will pull with a hand-carved wooden prop on it. Bernard wouldbe very pleased.And it's water-cooled! So, to reinforce that thought, just remember that "realFBOs carry antifreeze" ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Absolutely; that's the right attitude. Turn the Willys engine around, see aboutfitting it with a prop hub and magneto, put it on those ash engine bearers,then see what it will pull with a hand-carved wooden prop on it. Bernard wouldbe very pleased.And it's water-cooled! So, to reinforce that thought, just remember that "realFBOs carry antifreeze" ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
AvikenSearch the Pietenpol list archives athttp://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script_short.cgi for Jeep and youwill come up with a dozen or so emails about a guy wanting to use a Jeepengine. As with all things Pietenpol someone has thought of it before itjust takes some rooting around to realize it. I know every thing I canthink of has been done.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
AvikenSearch the Pietenpol list archives athttp://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script_short.cgi for Jeep and youwill come up with a dozen or so emails about a guy wanting to use a Jeepengine. As with all things Pietenpol someone has thought of it before itjust takes some rooting around to realize it. I know every thing I canthink of has been done.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Jeep Engine
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
...wonder whatever happened to 'Oil Can Bob'?Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
...wonder whatever happened to 'Oil Can Bob'?Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: incidents and accidents (long)
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
=0A=0A=0ADouwe wrote- >RE-PIET was started by an older gent in the late eighties>I finished it in 2009 when it had its "incident" and then>spent the next 2.5 years rebuilding it. A tune whose lyrics I know all too well =3Bo) But to get to the subject=2C there are "incidents" and there are "accidents"=2C and the difference can be very important when it comes to deciding whether you need to report "it" to anybody. Here's what 830.5 of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations (the FARs) says=2C although I have snipped irrelevant sections out of it: The operator of any civil aircraft... shall immediately=2C and by the most expeditious means available=2C notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:(a) An aircraft accident or any of the following listed incidents occur:(1) Flight control system malfunction or failure=3B(2) Inability of any required flight crewmember to perform normal flight duties as a result of injury or illness=3B(3) [turbine engine failure]=3B(4) In-flight fire=3B or(5) Aircraft collide in flight.(6) Damage to property=2C other than the aircraft=2C estimated to exceed $25=2C000 for repair (including materials and labor) or fair market value in the event of total loss=2C whichever is less.(7) [large multiengine aircraft].=============An "accident"=2C as defined in the regulations=2C is an aircraft operation in which any person suffers death or serious injury=2C or in which the aircraft =0Areceives substantial damage. An "incident" is an occurrence other than an accident =0Athat affects or could affect the safety of operations. Neither term is really clear when it comes to the aircraft. What is "substantial" damage? What types of things can affect the safety of operations?When Scout went over on its back=2C the authorities were notified but a field investigator came out=2C looked it over in the hangar=2C and said it wasn't worth the trouble to report it and he left. I had no desire to stretch my interpretation of the definitions in the regulations=2C but I'm glad we could move on. I will leave it to others to decide whether the damage to Scout was "substantial" (and=2C thus=2C the event was an "accident")=2C or whether it affected the safety of operations and was merely an "incident"... which the NTSB -by inference- called it. Photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incide ... .htmlOscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 06:32:48 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: incidents and accidents (long)
=0A=0A=0ADouwe wrote- >RE-PIET was started by an older gent in the late eighties>I finished it in 2009 when it had its "incident" and then>spent the next 2.5 years rebuilding it. A tune whose lyrics I know all too well =3Bo) But to get to the subject=2C there are "incidents" and there are "accidents"=2C and the difference can be very important when it comes to deciding whether you need to report "it" to anybody. Here's what 830.5 of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations (the FARs) says=2C although I have snipped irrelevant sections out of it: The operator of any civil aircraft... shall immediately=2C and by the most expeditious means available=2C notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:(a) An aircraft accident or any of the following listed incidents occur:(1) Flight control system malfunction or failure=3B(2) Inability of any required flight crewmember to perform normal flight duties as a result of injury or illness=3B(3) [turbine engine failure]=3B(4) In-flight fire=3B or(5) Aircraft collide in flight.(6) Damage to property=2C other than the aircraft=2C estimated to exceed $25=2C000 for repair (including materials and labor) or fair market value in the event of total loss=2C whichever is less.(7) [large multiengine aircraft].=============An "accident"=2C as defined in the regulations=2C is an aircraft operation in which any person suffers death or serious injury=2C or in which the aircraft =0Areceives substantial damage. An "incident" is an occurrence other than an accident =0Athat affects or could affect the safety of operations. Neither term is really clear when it comes to the aircraft. What is "substantial" damage? What types of things can affect the safety of operations?When Scout went over on its back=2C the authorities were notified but a field investigator came out=2C looked it over in the hangar=2C and said it wasn't worth the trouble to report it and he left. I had no desire to stretch my interpretation of the definitions in the regulations=2C but I'm glad we could move on. I will leave it to others to decide whether the damage to Scout was "substantial" (and=2C thus=2C the event was an "accident")=2C or whether it affected the safety of operations and was merely an "incident"... which the NTSB -by inference- called it. Photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incide ... .htmlOscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 06:32:48 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: incidents and accidents (long)
Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Making a breather tube without kinking it and adding cold weather hole ..... WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Making a breather tube without kinking it and adding cold weather hole ..... WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________