Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
I love it when folks start to think about alternative engines like that. not thaI don't admire he model A but something with a good strong crank, replaceablebearings, long stroke and a history of dependability sure gets me wonderingtoo.- I like Ford 300 sixes but that may be a little overboard. I just flew myClipwing Challenger I have been advertising to sell so I can spend all my flyingthoughts on the Grega. I should have flown it today to check out the new bungees,but I needed to get a good test on the Challenger.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Bkemike
I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns.I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I makethe last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow pointsand the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the placeneeding to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel.I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question.Your advice is greatly appreciated--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... __________
I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns.I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I makethe last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow pointsand the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the placeneeding to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel.I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question.Your advice is greatly appreciated--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Terry, I just did mine last week (same thickness) and resorted to a bandsaw. Mysnips just wouldn't do it. Since everything gets bent and/or welded, I'm notsure how critical most of those dimensions are.Mike HardawayPolitely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad.> On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:> > > I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns.I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I makethe last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow pointsand the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the placeneeding to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel.> > I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question.> Your advice is greatly appreciated> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 959#410959> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_184.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_369.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Terry, I just did mine last week (same thickness) and resorted to a bandsaw. Mysnips just wouldn't do it. Since everything gets bent and/or welded, I'm notsure how critical most of those dimensions are.Mike HardawayPolitely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad.> On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:> > > I am shifting gears a bit and starting to cut some fittings and control horns.I have made one piece of an aileron horn, and am a bit stumped. How do I makethe last cut for the flanges? In the first picture it is where the arrow pointsand the plans day"cut on line". Snips? A Dremel tool? You can see the placeneeding to be cut in the attached pictures. The metal is 0.032 4130 sheet steel.> > I am sure you master craftsmen have an easy answer to a simple question.> Your advice is greatly appreciated> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 959#410959> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_184.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_369.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I used a band saw, like Mike, but drilled a 3/16" hole at the 'T', two 1/8"holes at the ends of the 'T'. The 3/16" hole allows some room to move theblade around, and can be properly rounded with a file when done.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
I used a band saw, like Mike, but drilled a 3/16" hole at the 'T', two 1/8"holes at the ends of the 'T'. The 3/16" hole allows some room to move theblade around, and can be properly rounded with a file when done.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
A hole should have been drilled at the end of the cuton each side. This is standard practice to preventthe possibility of cracks developing later in use.It's called stop-drilling.You can still save the daywith a cabide, pointy nose bit for your dremel.Just carefully stick it into the end of your cut andround out a small pocket, maybe 1/8 to 5/32" dia.Next ones, drill end holes first and cut into them.ClifA thousand bad beginnings are worth morethan one success. Someone ----- Original Message -----
A hole should have been drilled at the end of the cuton each side. This is standard practice to preventthe possibility of cracks developing later in use.It's called stop-drilling.You can still save the daywith a cabide, pointy nose bit for your dremel.Just carefully stick it into the end of your cut andround out a small pocket, maybe 1/8 to 5/32" dia.Next ones, drill end holes first and cut into them.ClifA thousand bad beginnings are worth morethan one success. Someone ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: "pringljo"
Got it! Thanks for the great replies! Construction techniques and advice are theparts of this forum.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Got it! Thanks for the great replies! Construction techniques and advice are theparts of this forum.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I think thatthis is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way,and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.--------Joe PringleAtlanta, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I think thatthis is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way,and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.--------Joe PringleAtlanta, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Joe, I have the solid ones made from .90 sheet metal and the work just fine . gardinerSent from my iPad> On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:33 AM, "pringljo" wrote:> > > Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I thinkthat this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way,and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. > > BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.> > --------> Joe Pringle> Atlanta, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 993#410993> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling...
Joe, I have the solid ones made from .90 sheet metal and the work just fine . gardinerSent from my iPad> On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:33 AM, "pringljo" wrote:> > > Are you making your control horns from solid, one piece sheet metal? I thinkthat this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way,and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. > > BTW, I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.> > --------> Joe Pringle> Atlanta, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 993#410993> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling...
Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Steve,Don't sell you kids short. I grew up helping dad build in 1972 and fly the PietI have, and my daughters grew up flying and helped me rebuild the plane in 2000.My youngest daughter and son-in-law got their pilots licenses and when shecan afford to keep and maintain it , I will give it to her someday. The planehas become a family heirloom. Yes it is worth keeping,My 3 cents,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:07:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Steve,Don't sell you kids short. I grew up helping dad build in 1972 and fly the PietI have, and my daughters grew up flying and helped me rebuild the plane in 2000.My youngest daughter and son-in-law got their pilots licenses and when shecan afford to keep and maintain it , I will give it to her someday. The planehas become a family heirloom. Yes it is worth keeping,My 3 cents,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:07:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Re: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel adjustment
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel adjustment
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel adjustment
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Terry,I used a waterjet machine! Used .065" 4130 - single piece for all my "horns" and.090 for engine mounts and LG fittings. HUGE time saver. 8 engine mount fittings,8 LG fittings, 6 "horns" about $170 for the service.BARGAINSee you all at Barnwell.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Terry,I used a waterjet machine! Used .065" 4130 - single piece for all my "horns" and.090 for engine mounts and LG fittings. HUGE time saver. 8 engine mount fittings,8 LG fittings, 6 "horns" about $170 for the service.BARGAINSee you all at Barnwell.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
A friend of mine bought a Piet in S Georgia and during his trip back to hishome in Florida, was hit with turbulence. Next thing he knew, all his cableswent slack and he could not keep it in the air. He stuck it in the side of abig pine tree and climbed down but could not figure out which direction thehighway was that he was following. He went back and dug the compass out withhis knife and promptly found the road just as the firemen were coming tofind him. Someone had seen him go down from the highway and called it in.Bottom line is...Solid control horns.Since you are so close to us, we can help with them if needed.BarryNX973BP-----Original Message-----
A friend of mine bought a Piet in S Georgia and during his trip back to hishome in Florida, was hit with turbulence. Next thing he knew, all his cableswent slack and he could not keep it in the air. He stuck it in the side of abig pine tree and climbed down but could not figure out which direction thehighway was that he was following. He went back and dug the compass out withhis knife and promptly found the road just as the firemen were coming tofind him. Someone had seen him go down from the highway and called it in.Bottom line is...Solid control horns.Since you are so close to us, we can help with them if needed.BarryNX973BP-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
BarryWhen and where did this occur? I thought I had read about all the Pietenpolaccidents in the FAA's database and I don't remember this one. I would liketo know more details.ThanksChris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
BarryWhen and where did this occur? I thought I had read about all the Pietenpolaccidents in the FAA's database and I don't remember this one. I would liketo know more details.ThanksChris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Steve,There are a lot of Piets in the States that come and go on Barnstormers, the BPAnewsletter, etc. There will always be one for sale. Save your money, takecare of your wife and kids, sell the Piet now, buy or build another when the timeis right. Dan and Greg - how old were your kids when you built your Piets? Not 2 1/2. Scott - how old were you when you helped your dad build? How old were your daughterswhen they helped you rebuild? Not 2 1/2. Leave poor Steve alone. This is a hard decision, he's good people and deservesour support. All y'all need re-read Douwe's article in the last BPA newsletter,esp. the 2nd to last paragraph. Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.comOn Oct 19, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Steve Ruse wrote:> > I really hate to do it, but I'm thinking about selling my GN-1. I bought itin '05, and have flown it more than 400 trouble-free hours since then, includinggoing from Indiana to TX and OK to Oshkosh and back. It is an incredibly funairplane...I'd rather fly it than the Cardinal, 172, Pacer, or other airplanesI fly, though those serve their own purposes well. I even took it to 10,500'once (it was cold). I don't have to explain to most of you guys how greatthese planes are...most of you already know. The issue is that I have two littlegirls now, 2-1/2 and 6 months old, and since the first was born I very rarelyfly the Piet, because I always take the older one with me when I fly somewhere.So, it has only flown a few hours a year for the last two years, and Idon't see how that will change in the next 5 to 10 years. I see no point inletting the plane sit unused, while paying for the hangar and to keep it airworthy.It would always be in the back of my mind to own a Piet again one day.My plan would be to buy a fun taildragger (with partners) that the kids couldride in with me for pancake runs, hamburger runs, and exploring the area (my 2-1/2year old has about 70 hours with me in various planes...at three months oldthe new one flew 700NM with me from OK to MN and back).> > A picture of the plane about two years ago:> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0622.JPG> > My trip home in it, as a green pilot with about 70 hours total time:> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/> > Continental A-75, Cloudcars Prop> Approx 1,000hrs SMOH> Two cylinders with less than 100hrs> Slick impulse mags> Engine runs great> 18.3 gallon nose tank (extended nose)> Around 700 hours TTAF> Built in 1983, new paint in the late 90s.> Ceconite> Narrowed cub gear. Cub firewall forward> Battery on firewall for GPS, intercom and handheld> External antenna on bottom of nose (I kept it at Meacham, under DFW's class Bravofor a while)> When doing work on the plane, I try to do absolutely top notch work using thebest parts, or I don't do it. I striped and painted the eyebrows, made new ceramiccoated exaust, stripped/painted the valve covers, just finished "overhauling"the tailwheel, have new bungees ready to go on it, tires are in good shape,refinished the wood cap strips on both sides of the fuselage as they wereshowing wear, built aluminum skidplates for the pilots feet, etc., i.e., I'vetried to keep it from getting run-down.> > $11,000> Will deliver anywhere for expenses.> > I sure would miss the helpfulness, mechanical know-how, and general tomfooleryof this group. Somebody talk me out of it...> > Why I'm considering selling:> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 8259_o.jpg> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 0781_o.jpg> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 7435_o.jpg> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 7642_o.jpg> https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 1282_n.jpg> https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 8820_n.jpg> > Steve Ruse> Norman, OK> 405-209-9010> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:07:40 -0400
Steve,There are a lot of Piets in the States that come and go on Barnstormers, the BPAnewsletter, etc. There will always be one for sale. Save your money, takecare of your wife and kids, sell the Piet now, buy or build another when the timeis right. Dan and Greg - how old were your kids when you built your Piets? Not 2 1/2. Scott - how old were you when you helped your dad build? How old were your daughterswhen they helped you rebuild? Not 2 1/2. Leave poor Steve alone. This is a hard decision, he's good people and deservesour support. All y'all need re-read Douwe's article in the last BPA newsletter,esp. the 2nd to last paragraph. Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.comOn Oct 19, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Steve Ruse wrote:> > I really hate to do it, but I'm thinking about selling my GN-1. I bought itin '05, and have flown it more than 400 trouble-free hours since then, includinggoing from Indiana to TX and OK to Oshkosh and back. It is an incredibly funairplane...I'd rather fly it than the Cardinal, 172, Pacer, or other airplanesI fly, though those serve their own purposes well. I even took it to 10,500'once (it was cold). I don't have to explain to most of you guys how greatthese planes are...most of you already know. The issue is that I have two littlegirls now, 2-1/2 and 6 months old, and since the first was born I very rarelyfly the Piet, because I always take the older one with me when I fly somewhere.So, it has only flown a few hours a year for the last two years, and Idon't see how that will change in the next 5 to 10 years. I see no point inletting the plane sit unused, while paying for the hangar and to keep it airworthy.It would always be in the back of my mind to own a Piet again one day.My plan would be to buy a fun taildragger (with partners) that the kids couldride in with me for pancake runs, hamburger runs, and exploring the area (my 2-1/2year old has about 70 hours with me in various planes...at three months oldthe new one flew 700NM with me from OK to MN and back).> > A picture of the plane about two years ago:> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0622.JPG> > My trip home in it, as a green pilot with about 70 hours total time:> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/> > Continental A-75, Cloudcars Prop> Approx 1,000hrs SMOH> Two cylinders with less than 100hrs> Slick impulse mags> Engine runs great> 18.3 gallon nose tank (extended nose)> Around 700 hours TTAF> Built in 1983, new paint in the late 90s.> Ceconite> Narrowed cub gear. Cub firewall forward> Battery on firewall for GPS, intercom and handheld> External antenna on bottom of nose (I kept it at Meacham, under DFW's class Bravofor a while)> When doing work on the plane, I try to do absolutely top notch work using thebest parts, or I don't do it. I striped and painted the eyebrows, made new ceramiccoated exaust, stripped/painted the valve covers, just finished "overhauling"the tailwheel, have new bungees ready to go on it, tires are in good shape,refinished the wood cap strips on both sides of the fuselage as they wereshowing wear, built aluminum skidplates for the pilots feet, etc., i.e., I'vetried to keep it from getting run-down.> > $11,000> Will deliver anywhere for expenses.> > I sure would miss the helpfulness, mechanical know-how, and general tomfooleryof this group. Somebody talk me out of it...> > Why I'm considering selling:> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 8259_o.jpg> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 0781_o.jpg> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 7435_o.jpg> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 7642_o.jpg> https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 1282_n.jpg> https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 8820_n.jpg> > Steve Ruse> Norman, OK> 405-209-9010> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:07:40 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Me? Too late Micheal, mine were done years ago. :-)With all the pics I've taken over the years somehowI didn't take any of the horns!! Or lost them. I usedto have someone in the house who crashed mypooter at least three times. Gone now.Clif with one "F" not two. Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill Cliff attached are three pictures for you to see how I handled this. The first, is the finished horn. You can see the remains of the drilled holes that make up the bent corners If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:27:49 -0700 (PDT)
Me? Too late Micheal, mine were done years ago. :-)With all the pics I've taken over the years somehowI didn't take any of the horns!! Or lost them. I usedto have someone in the house who crashed mypooter at least three times. Gone now.Clif with one "F" not two. Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. -Brendan Gill Cliff attached are three pictures for you to see how I handled this. The first, is the finished horn. You can see the remains of the drilled holes that make up the bent corners If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:27:49 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Dan, Steve,I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his post thathe would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certifiedone at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial.My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memoriesand his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve'spost he asked to be talked out of it. I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad if hedid sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this listfall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when the posterask for comments like Steve did. Very respectfully to all,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Dan, Steve,I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his post thathe would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certifiedone at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial.My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memoriesand his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve'spost he asked to be talked out of it. I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad if hedid sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this listfall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when the posterask for comments like Steve did. Very respectfully to all,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I can appreciate where Dan is coming from, considering he had to make a similardecision not long ago, and having been on the receiving end of a bit of a guilttrip (well-intentioned as it may have been) about selling his Piet as well.The ownership cost of a certified aircraft could be allayed if Steve is able toshare it with other partners. In regard to making family memories, if Steve followsthrough with his plan of acquiring a "fun taildragger" that both the kidscould fly in (a short-wing Piper for example, as shown in one of his pics),then he has the opportunity to involve them equally in making new family flyingmemories, instead of just one at a time. While it would be unfortunate for Steve to sell the Piet, if it allows him to createa situation where he can more fully involve his girls in aviation and sharethose experiences with them both, then it sounds like the way to go.RyanOn Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > Dan, Steve,> > I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his postthat he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certifiedone at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial.My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memoriesand his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve'spost he asked to be talked out of it. > > I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad ifhe did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this listfall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when theposter ask for comments like Steve did. > > Very respectfully to all,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 065#411065> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
I can appreciate where Dan is coming from, considering he had to make a similardecision not long ago, and having been on the receiving end of a bit of a guilttrip (well-intentioned as it may have been) about selling his Piet as well.The ownership cost of a certified aircraft could be allayed if Steve is able toshare it with other partners. In regard to making family memories, if Steve followsthrough with his plan of acquiring a "fun taildragger" that both the kidscould fly in (a short-wing Piper for example, as shown in one of his pics),then he has the opportunity to involve them equally in making new family flyingmemories, instead of just one at a time. While it would be unfortunate for Steve to sell the Piet, if it allows him to createa situation where he can more fully involve his girls in aviation and sharethose experiences with them both, then it sounds like the way to go.RyanOn Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > Dan, Steve,> > I only said the things I did for a few reasons. Steve mentioned in his postthat he would look into getting in a partnership on another airplane, a certifiedone at that. The cost of owning a certified plane verses a Piet is substantial.My story about my Piet is that the plane contributed to many family memoriesand his plane could do the same for him. And then at the end of Steve'spost he asked to be talked out of it. > > I was just throwing out a few thoughts and not trying to make him feel bad ifhe did sell. Dan , I know Steve is a good guy, I think that all on this listfall into the good guy status. Please don't be chewing people out when theposter ask for comments like Steve did. > > Very respectfully to all,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 065#411065> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You want to introduce motor oil to your carb?Gary BootheNX308MB
You want to introduce motor oil to your carb?Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
Original Posted By: Chuck Campbell
Engine oil mixed with watery condensation being ducted to the carburetor wouldbe a bad idea. Much better to let that stuff spatter itself on the belly.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Engine oil mixed with watery condensation being ducted to the carburetor wouldbe a bad idea. Much better to let that stuff spatter itself on the belly.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By:> joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com
Joe=2C I made all my control horns from 3/32-inch thick 4130 steel rather than the hollow ones. They might be a bit heavier than the others but very much easier to build. Chuck> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Joe=2C I made all my control horns from 3/32-inch thick 4130 steel rather than the hollow ones. They might be a bit heavier than the others but very much easier to build. Chuck> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
One other option for the "tabs" on the formed control horns is to make them fromthree pieces of metal, as opposed to two. Rather than bending the side tabs,a separate channel can be bent, and welded on. The advantage of this method(aside from being easier to fabricate) is that the channel can be made to actuallyfit the wood that it attaches to. If the horns are made "to the plans",the gap between the bent flanges will be wider than the profile of the wood whereit attaches (see photo of control horn in position for clarification). Unfortunately,I haven't welded my horns yet, so I can't provide photos of thefinished product, so I have just positioned them in place for these photos.In my opinion, the formed sheet metal control horns are aesthetically much moreappealing than flat steel horns (especially on a vintage aircraft like the Pietenpol),and, as long as they are properly welded and treated, are a superiordesign. The slight bends in the sheet metal produce a much stiffer horn thanany solid horn of similar weight. Increasing the thickness to .09" increasesthe overall weight of each horn by 50%. And, to top it all off, the formed hornsreally are not difficult to build. Honestly.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:26:53 -0700 (PDT)
One other option for the "tabs" on the formed control horns is to make them fromthree pieces of metal, as opposed to two. Rather than bending the side tabs,a separate channel can be bent, and welded on. The advantage of this method(aside from being easier to fabricate) is that the channel can be made to actuallyfit the wood that it attaches to. If the horns are made "to the plans",the gap between the bent flanges will be wider than the profile of the wood whereit attaches (see photo of control horn in position for clarification). Unfortunately,I haven't welded my horns yet, so I can't provide photos of thefinished product, so I have just positioned them in place for these photos.In my opinion, the formed sheet metal control horns are aesthetically much moreappealing than flat steel horns (especially on a vintage aircraft like the Pietenpol),and, as long as they are properly welded and treated, are a superiordesign. The slight bends in the sheet metal produce a much stiffer horn thanany solid horn of similar weight. Increasing the thickness to .09" increasesthe overall weight of each horn by 50%. And, to top it all off, the formed hornsreally are not difficult to build. Honestly.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:26:53 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Dan,Initial build was 2 years, 3 months.Rebuild was 10 months, 4 days.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Dan,Initial build was 2 years, 3 months.Rebuild was 10 months, 4 days.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
13 years some more months and a few extra days. Still not done......... Finally had to relent and remodel the wife's kitchen that I told her I would dowhen the plane was finished.Chris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:24:37 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
13 years some more months and a few extra days. Still not done......... Finally had to relent and remodel the wife's kitchen that I told her I would dowhen the plane was finished.Chris--------ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:24:37 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "Chris Rusch"
Al Coons built for over 30 years, I tested his latest change and as the new tailwheel worked , Still never left the ground, I decided to see if she would fly,around the patch she headed, Al's years of work flew under the Ford A purringat 1800 Max RPM, Just barely holding 200 feet, I slipped through the firstpaces of a new era for Mr Coons. As I passed over the excited Al he waved his, approval of a feat that he never expected, as I taxied to his hanger , Therewas excitement that many of you have felt and also those of you that are nearto experience.I told Al that he will have to loose weight or we need more zip in the Ford, Hisfirst words were," I think I will sell Her, as 30 years of building was enough"My first words were ," I want to buy your Piet ."The next week-end and a Funk head added, I gave His Wife a a memorable ride a wellas Rosie Stark. His pride is still flying, I tried the following. Werner 145, Ford B, Funk, Lambert,and now a Inverted Funk with Fuel Injection, SUPER .The 612 Wing has been flying since 2004, And due to that bad news Mesothelioma,I might have relinquish the best bird I have had the pride to have piloted,Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Al Coons built for over 30 years, I tested his latest change and as the new tailwheel worked , Still never left the ground, I decided to see if she would fly,around the patch she headed, Al's years of work flew under the Ford A purringat 1800 Max RPM, Just barely holding 200 feet, I slipped through the firstpaces of a new era for Mr Coons. As I passed over the excited Al he waved his, approval of a feat that he never expected, as I taxied to his hanger , Therewas excitement that many of you have felt and also those of you that are nearto experience.I told Al that he will have to loose weight or we need more zip in the Ford, Hisfirst words were," I think I will sell Her, as 30 years of building was enough"My first words were ," I want to buy your Piet ."The next week-end and a Funk head added, I gave His Wife a a memorable ride a wellas Rosie Stark. His pride is still flying, I tried the following. Werner 145, Ford B, Funk, Lambert,and now a Inverted Funk with Fuel Injection, SUPER .The 612 Wing has been flying since 2004, And due to that bad news Mesothelioma,I might have relinquish the best bird I have had the pride to have piloted,Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
5+ years with a fuselage head start, 99% evenings and some weekends. I worked prettymuch religiously on it from 6-9 four nights a week.--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
5+ years with a fuselage head start, 99% evenings and some weekends. I worked prettymuch religiously on it from 6-9 four nights a week.--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "curtdm(at)gmail.com"
Bought plans in 1976. Built rib jig and several ribs done over the years (not sure where they are). Many wood purchases.Bought flying Piet in 2011. I still think I will finish one....someday.Best,-john-John HofmannVice-President, IT and ProductionThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Oct 23, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:> I've got all of you beat. I bought the first raw materials for my Piet in December of 1995, almost 18 years ago. I'm determined to get it finished before our infant at the time, Kevin, graduates from college. Ken> > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Catdesigns wrote:> > 13 years some more months and a few extra days. Still not done.........> > Finally had to relent and remodel the wife's kitchen that I told her I would do when the plane was finished.> > Chris> > --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 206#411206> > > > > > > > ==========> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> le, List Admin.> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Bought plans in 1976. Built rib jig and several ribs done over the years (not sure where they are). Many wood purchases.Bought flying Piet in 2011. I still think I will finish one....someday.Best,-john-John HofmannVice-President, IT and ProductionThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Oct 23, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:> I've got all of you beat. I bought the first raw materials for my Piet in December of 1995, almost 18 years ago. I'm determined to get it finished before our infant at the time, Kevin, graduates from college. Ken> > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Catdesigns wrote:> > 13 years some more months and a few extra days. Still not done.........> > Finally had to relent and remodel the wife's kitchen that I told her I would do when the plane was finished.> > Chris> > --------> Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestCoastPiet.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 206#411206> > > > > > > > ==========> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> le, List Admin.> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
3 years so far and the only goal is to have it done in time for Abby to solo init on her 16th birthday. That gives me another 5 to build and 1 for instruction.--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:43:11 +0000 (UTC)
3 years so far and the only goal is to have it done in time for Abby to solo init on her 16th birthday. That gives me another 5 to build and 1 for instruction.--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:43:11 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael,Sorry about that, let's see if it uploads this time...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brea ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
Michael,Sorry about that, let's see if it uploads this time...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brea ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
I like it, Bill.I was just about to start the elevator horns and, like Terry Hand, was concernedabout those behind-the-flanges cuts. Your approach solves several problems;fit, ease of fabrication, and that niggling feeling that rainwater/condensationis seeping inside and collecting in the bottom arm.Thanks for another idea I wish I had thought of.Mike HardawayPolitely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad.> On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:33 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > > One other option for the "tabs" on the formed control horns is to make them fromthree pieces of metal, as opposed to two. Rather than bending the side tabs,a separate channel can be bent, and welded on. [snipped for brevity]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
I like it, Bill.I was just about to start the elevator horns and, like Terry Hand, was concernedabout those behind-the-flanges cuts. Your approach solves several problems;fit, ease of fabrication, and that niggling feeling that rainwater/condensationis seeping inside and collecting in the bottom arm.Thanks for another idea I wish I had thought of.Mike HardawayPolitely tapped on the Gorilla Glass of an iPad.> On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:33 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > > One other option for the "tabs" on the formed control horns is to make them fromthree pieces of metal, as opposed to two. Rather than bending the side tabs,a separate channel can be bent, and welded on. [snipped for brevity]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: Keith
Five years so far and maybe three to go - which means probably five to go (ha!).Dropped my press brake on my toe yesterday as I was tipping it back carefullyto replace a valve part - so as I type this I am in the exam room waiting forthe x-ray results (probably just a bad bruise they think). Building the Pietis one of the best experiences ever - very gratifying.....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:28:17 +0100
Five years so far and maybe three to go - which means probably five to go (ha!).Dropped my press brake on my toe yesterday as I was tipping it back carefullyto replace a valve part - so as I type this I am in the exam room waiting forthe x-ray results (probably just a bad bruise they think). Building the Pietis one of the best experiences ever - very gratifying.....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:28:17 +0100
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Michael,The Lambert that was on Lowell's airplane is now on Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy.Actually, right now it's in his garage for an overhaul. Frank turned it overto me one day and I went out and played with it for a while. What a super engine/airframecombination. Very well balanced and a huge amount of thrust!I spent 12 years building mine. However, that included finishing college, gettingmarried, having 4 kids, moving 6 times, building a house, building a coupleof shops, and one big hangar collapse after it was finished the first time butbefore it first flew. I think I could write a book just on the building experiences!Don Emch NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:09:10 +0000 (UTC)
Michael,The Lambert that was on Lowell's airplane is now on Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy.Actually, right now it's in his garage for an overhaul. Frank turned it overto me one day and I went out and played with it for a while. What a super engine/airframecombination. Very well balanced and a huge amount of thrust!I spent 12 years building mine. However, that included finishing college, gettingmarried, having 4 kids, moving 6 times, building a house, building a coupleof shops, and one big hangar collapse after it was finished the first time butbefore it first flew. I think I could write a book just on the building experiences!Don Emch NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:09:10 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Thinking about selling...
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Hey Steve,Here's another view...The Piet is something like a sports car. Not very practical, useful, while notterribly expensive, it DOES cost to own, used or not... LOTS of sports cars getsold due to family reasons, and certainly family is the priority. However..It sounds like you have use of other more useful planes, that's AWESOME. However,it doesn't sound like you own them... if that's the case, use is at someoneelse's discretion. Always a nagging situation.It doesn't sound like OWNING the Piet is a detriment to the family. If it were,I'd be all for selling it.Most folks who sell their little sports car, rarely ever get one again... I think your Piet is priced correctly (or thereabouts, maybe worth a little more,maybe a little less, but it sounds about right having bought one not thatlong ago). It's probably not gonna go up much in value, nor down... There'snot much reason for selling now vs later insofar as market.>From what I can gather from your post, you generally want to keep it. The reasonfor selling being not a lot of use. I guess if it were me, I'd price it whereI couldn't afford NOT to sell it and see what happens! If it stays withyou, it was meant to be. If it sells, you made some good pocket change. It's true, there will always be one available for about that price, but are youalways going to be able to just get it? It's FAR easier to justify NOT buyingone, rather than selling if the reason isn't compelling...Good luck!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Steve,Here's another view...The Piet is something like a sports car. Not very practical, useful, while notterribly expensive, it DOES cost to own, used or not... LOTS of sports cars getsold due to family reasons, and certainly family is the priority. However..It sounds like you have use of other more useful planes, that's AWESOME. However,it doesn't sound like you own them... if that's the case, use is at someoneelse's discretion. Always a nagging situation.It doesn't sound like OWNING the Piet is a detriment to the family. If it were,I'd be all for selling it.Most folks who sell their little sports car, rarely ever get one again... I think your Piet is priced correctly (or thereabouts, maybe worth a little more,maybe a little less, but it sounds about right having bought one not thatlong ago). It's probably not gonna go up much in value, nor down... There'snot much reason for selling now vs later insofar as market.>From what I can gather from your post, you generally want to keep it. The reasonfor selling being not a lot of use. I guess if it were me, I'd price it whereI couldn't afford NOT to sell it and see what happens! If it stays withyou, it was meant to be. If it sells, you made some good pocket change. It's true, there will always be one available for about that price, but are youalways going to be able to just get it? It's FAR easier to justify NOT buyingone, rather than selling if the reason isn't compelling...Good luck!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
13 and counting. One more wing to go.Plus a slew of little stuff that alwaysturnsup when least expected.ClifAn optimist, after all, is often as wrong as a pessimist.But he has a lot more fun.> 8-1/2 years> Jack Phillips________________________________________________________________________________
13 and counting. One more wing to go.Plus a slew of little stuff that alwaysturnsup when least expected.ClifAn optimist, after all, is often as wrong as a pessimist.But he has a lot more fun.> 8-1/2 years> Jack Phillips________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
That's alright Mikeal. Just checking. :-)By the way, all you black and yellows,is yoursquadron planing on mounting Spandau's?Oh, and who gets to wear the scarf on his helmet?Clif"Happiness is a DRY fart and a WET dream." Someone Ooops. Sorry Cliff, my post was to Terry. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:18:46 -0700 (PDT)
That's alright Mikeal. Just checking. :-)By the way, all you black and yellows,is yoursquadron planing on mounting Spandau's?Oh, and who gets to wear the scarf on his helmet?Clif"Happiness is a DRY fart and a WET dream." Someone Ooops. Sorry Cliff, my post was to Terry. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:18:46 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance...
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perseverance...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "caldwrl"
Use a Jewelers saw or a Scroll saw with a metal cutting blade. Works great.Its simple ~ WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Use a Jewelers saw or a Scroll saw with a metal cutting blade. Works great.Its simple ~ WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
4-1/2 years so far, after purchasing wings from a Scout project. I hope to beflying in 2014... currently covering tail feathers while wrapping up a few detailsof the build.--------Robert CaldwellHolly Lake Ranch, TXHanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
4-1/2 years so far, after purchasing wings from a Scout project. I hope to beflying in 2014... currently covering tail feathers while wrapping up a few detailsof the build.--------Robert CaldwellHolly Lake Ranch, TXHanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance...
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
1999 - I was hopping TV channels and I happened upon a recap of EAA airventureand a segment on Mike Cuys' award winning airplane. "I gotta get one of those"I said. Ordered plans immediately. In 2005 or so, I built some tail feathers.Life altering event in 2010 convinced me it was time to commit to the project,and I did. Started in earnest Oct 16 2010 with the Corvair engine which ran368 days after my first Corvair College. Started building the Piet August2011. I do a little every day or say when Im home. I'm having a blast!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
1999 - I was hopping TV channels and I happened upon a recap of EAA airventureand a segment on Mike Cuys' award winning airplane. "I gotta get one of those"I said. Ordered plans immediately. In 2005 or so, I built some tail feathers.Life altering event in 2010 convinced me it was time to commit to the project,and I did. Started in earnest Oct 16 2010 with the Corvair engine which ran368 days after my first Corvair College. Started building the Piet August2011. I do a little every day or say when Im home. I'm having a blast!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Congrats:So what is the problem ? Looks good to me,Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:41:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Congrats:So what is the problem ? Looks good to me,Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:41:18 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Simple Cut - But My Simple Mind Needs Help
Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> m>> > Are you making your control horns from solid=2C one piece sheet metal? I think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way=2C and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. > > BTW=2C I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.> > --------> Joe Pringle> Atlanta=2C GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 993#410993> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:46:22 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> m>> > Are you making your control horns from solid=2C one piece sheet metal? I think that this is what the GN-1 plans call for. I have seen a Piet set up this way=2C and it seems much easier than forming and welding the hollow ones. > > BTW=2C I look forward to meeting you at Barnwell.> > --------> Joe Pringle> Atlanta=2C GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 993#410993> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:46:22 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Breather Tube Exhaust